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Why Pakistan's stragetic planning should shift purely to offensive against India (2025-onwards)

Not stupidity. But pure fantasy. What else can say when the OP has gems like:



Is this even a serious idea or a product of daydreaming? Pakistan always overestimates its martial prowess and underestimates India's resolve. Otherwise, Pakistan would have won a war against India long ago.

I remember last time your airforce being taken out completely and your pilots captive while your media screaming we have vintage airforce yada yada forcing you to buy rafales as if it will change anything guess that is not fresh in your memories.. What makes you think we don't have what it takes to render you uselss again.. PK have all the necessary tricks under their slevees to break your army

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Gaand mein dum nahin hum kisi se kum nahin.Bhikari qaum ke haseen sapne.But do try it,it will give us a good excuse to re annex the rebel provinces of west punjab and sindh after annihilating the jihadi savages under our boot heel.A 2nd 1971 will be a good memory.Us bar adha liya tha,is bar jo adha bacha hai wo lenge.Baloch will take balochistan,afghans FATA.Punjab,Azad Kashmir and sindh will be annexed and cleansed.Karne aye ghazwa hind ho gaya akhand bharat. :lol:
Immi will join his chacha niazi in history books.
1999 happened, then 2002, 2008, 2014, 2016 and 2019 but India couldn't do a 1971 again. You have every reason, every resource and every support one can imagine while Pakistan has been under worst conditions possible and still you didn't even dare to take bit of territory leave alone breaking the country into pieces. Whatever happened to your pride and prowess?
 
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Totally could be some Anwar Khan from Lahore or Karachi, but that's like 5% of Pakistan but 95% of UP. I have nothing against the Ganges profile, but just asking the Pakistanis if they are ready for interbreeding.
feels a bit not so right coming from a Bangla.. somehow.
 
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can we call tenders for painting and repairing of lal kila ,, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

thamo bapu thamo
thora maza lo :D:D:D
Beta you people live in delusions. 70 years of might won't save you. You have history of getting your butts kicked from very small powers despite being huge power.
 
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But feels right coming from your Western neighbors right? That's the point.
I've found that one generally can't tell Indians and Pakistanis apart, Indians from the north west in particular.. Punjab, Rajasthan, Haryana. The Pakistani pashtoons do have very distinct features, as do oriental looking Indians from the north east, the dravidian and other southern Indians also look very different from the north west.

What were you trying to imply there, that Indians are ugly and Pakistanis wouldn't "breed" with ?

Tsk.. such incredibly low level trolling, surely you can do better.. you have buddhijibi blood in you, don't you ? :D
 
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no

you keep your part

we keep our part

end of fighting

that's what is probably best, but nobody's advocating for it here.

reality is.. neither Pak or Ind people really care about it, India administered Kashmiris themselves have resigned themselves to their Fait accompli. "Pakistan se to better hai" , economy etc mein... they say.

I think this can be done, and militaries on both sides are equipped to deal with the zealots on both sides.

It is just a matter of political will. India has no interest in changing the demographics or any genocide in Kashmir lol
Lol can i post the videos that Modi and co blabbering to attack on our part of Kashmir, your former army Chief also threaten to attack Pakistan and take our part of Kashmir you're the warmongering country not us, and IOK is a unfinished agenda of the subcontinent independence
 
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We should have global ambitions as for enemies. We already have India and people may don't want to admit Israel. And if you Israel in your enemy list you can automatically count USA in that too. USA could be your friend as of now but sooner or later they would fully turn against you and come after you.
Half of our history time was under US sanctions and the other half was under their alliance.
We are their ally in afghanistan or against soviets or else we remained under sanctions.
 
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Sorry for saying this but F' kashmir what stragetic value does it have absolutely nothing and zero..

Their numbers is an illusion because I know them inside and out... They are divided and their numbers won't be able to save them against an organized pakistan that is intended on making the kill.. Everything comes from a mindset which is the key.. You prepare for what you intend for but never delude yourself regarding Kashmir but the price should be the larger India.. I would exchange all of Kashmir for Delhi and Agra..

It is fragmented continent. Central and South India is subservant to North India meaning you gotta take out the king and the remaining is yours and the king is closest to you.. Hammer the north collect the remaining.. The only real India is only north India the remaining are just like Xerxes slave army and people who just seek life nothing more then that simple and soft ppl

Kashmir is intrinsic to Pakistani identity. The people of Jammu and Kashmir are ethnically, linguistically, culturally and religiously Pakistani. - not to forget politically Pakistani.

Secondly Kashmir has huge strategic value - whoever controls Kashmir, controls the water.
Many bhangees are amused by the topic, but they fail to understand this has been their history for the last 1000 years. No amount of rewriting of history will change our dominance over you. 2025 might be a bit early, but ultimately this is what will come.
 
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PA needs to increase its strength by at least 200K otherwise any major offensive against India will fail miserably.
 
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Why the stragetic planning shift in the next 5 years is needed and to make it into purely offensive doctrine against India. The price will be heavy from an Indian miscalculation and a complete seizing of India. I don't mean war in 2025 as per say but the planning from there on and the future has to be purely offensive.. The preparation should be purely offensively geared

1. Numbers are deceptive in India's case and in reality it is just a land of peasants and veggies..

2. Pakistan should break the back of the northern Indian territories and the remaining after that will come without much hassle... They don't have stomach for it... They ain't about this life.. It is fragmented country with over 700m living below poverty line.. Their weakness appears to me like an injured gazelle.. They fool nobody..

3. The approach must be purely offensive and the slogan and mindset has to be completely changed to #AllofIndia hashtag allofIndia..

We coming in hard inside India... All or the highway
Enlightened Member,
One pertinent question. If India is a complete walkover and a wimp, what are your
generals waiting for. Why have you not advised the Pak Corps Commanders and the top army brass to immediately invade India and realise Ghazwa - Hind(please correct the term if it is wrongly written).

Do you question the wisdom of your army generals who have been sleeping for decades without realising that India is a piece of cake. Take Kashmir and the whole of India if possible.

Coming to another point. Stereotyping Indians(especially Hindus) as Vegetarians and as a result weak and unable to fight superior meat eating Pakistanis (Muslims).

Do you even know that a very large percentage of Hindus are non vegetarians and meat eaters like the Marathas, many of Tamilian castes etc. The list is quite long and you can Google it.

And how much of a correlation can be made between being non vegetarian and being more battle worthy. Let us discuss further. The non vegetarian diet of most Pakistanis probably consists of mutton, beaf, chicken etc. Now the Chinese have a much more varied non vegetarian diet. Large numbers of Chinese eat snakes, cats, dogs, tiger parts(very expensive no doubt) and other wild animals meat. If you go to meat markets in Shanghai and other Chinese cities, you may find a large variety of non vegetarian food.

So by your logic since the Chinese eat more varied meat all Chinese men should as a rule be stronger and make better soldiers than Pakistanis. So somebody can say that Pak men are inferior to Chinese men.

Many African countries have a very varied meat diet and exceed the normal diet of most Pakistanis. So by logic if they eat more and better meat they also should be superior to Pakistanis.

Now stretching the logic further, there have been reports of the existence of cannibalism in certain tribes and societies in the past. A few tribes in Africa and Central America practised cannibalism. You can Google it for proof. I think you would agree that the most non vegetarian diet would be if a human being ate another human being as food. So by your logic these cannibals should be the best warriors on the planet and should have defeated all others and ruled over the earth.
But to the contrary such societies did not thrive and died out.

Is there anything we can learn from these examples.

To be fair, a meat diet provides more protein and increases muscle strength. But to say that it determines 100% the outcome of any battle is myopic and ill advised.

A 10 year vegetarian Hindu boy with an LMG having a box magazine of 150 rounds of 5.56 or 7.62 ammunition can probably kill a hundred Mohammed of Ghoris coming on horse back armed with swords, spears and shields.

The reality is the nature of war has changed with time. Today's warfare is as much about using your brawn as it about using your brain. If one F16 pilot eats 2kgs of meat and another eats 5kgs of meat. Will the pilot who ate more meat perform better than the pilot who ate less meat. In the cockpit of an F16 do you need to be a pehelwan to read the various instruments and fire an Sidewinder or Amraam missile.

A sniper needs to calculate wind velocity and the probable angle of deviation of the bullet. At very long ranges even a bullet tends to take a parabolic path.

You need to use your brain to make use of today's weapons which are usually of high technology. We can say with honesty that today's soldiers need to be physically fit along with being technologically savvy.

So please don't overrate the importance of a high meat diet.

Calling Hindus vegetarians and cowards is an opium you are addicted to. You cannot digest the fact that the same overwhelmingly Hindu Army has defeated your so called superior meat eating army many times over. You can ignore reality at your peril.

I don't like to stress on religious factors. But the truth is an meat eating Muslim Pakistan soldier will not get immunity from being an non vegetarian. An 7.62 bullet will still pierce his heart if he does not have an bullet proof jacket. It does not matter if an 100% vegetarian Hindu fires that bullet from an assault rifle.

Please don't forget the brutally efficient LTTE group of Sri Lanka. They could probably put even the most battle hardened Talibani to the sword easily. Remember they are Hindus. It is a different matter that we had differences with them. But they were damn good fighters.
 
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Enlightened Member,
One pertinent question. If India is a complete walkover and a wimp, what are your
generals waiting for. Why have you not advised the Pak Corps Commanders and the top army brass to immediately invade India and realise Ghazwa - Hind(please correct the term if it is wrongly written).

Do you question the wisdom of your army generals who have been sleeping for decades without realising that India is a piece of cake. Take Kashmir and the whole of India if possible.

Coming to another point. Stereotyping Indians(especially Hindus) as Vegetarians and as a result weak and unable to fight superior meat eating Pakistanis (Muslims).

Do you even know that a very large percentage of Hindus are non vegetarians and meat eaters like the Marathas, many of Tamilian castes etc. The list is quite long and you can Google it.

And how much of a correlation can be made between being non vegetarian and being more battle worthy. Let us discuss further. The non vegetarian diet of most Pakistanis probably consists of mutton, beaf, chicken etc. Now the Chinese have a much more varied non vegetarian diet. Large numbers of Chinese eat snakes, cats, dogs, tiger parts(very expensive no doubt) and other wild animals meat. If you go to meat markets in Shanghai and other Chinese cities, you may find a large variety of non vegetarian food.

So by your logic since the Chinese eat more varied meat all Chinese men should as a rule be stronger and make better soldiers than Pakistanis. So somebody can say that Pak men are inferior to Chinese men.

Many African countries have a very varied meat diet and exceed the normal diet of most Pakistanis. So by logic if they eat more and better meat they also should be superior to Pakistanis.

Now stretching the logic further, there have been reports of the existence of cannibalism in certain tribes and societies in the past. A few tribes in Africa and Central America practised cannibalism. You can Google it for proof. I think you would agree that the most non vegetarian diet would be if a human being ate another human being as food. So by your logic these cannibals should be the best warriors on the planet and should have defeated all others and ruled over the earth.
But to the contrary such societies did not thrive and died out.

Is there anything we can learn from these examples.

To be fair, a meat diet provides more protein and increases muscle strength. But to say that it determines 100% the outcome of any battle is myopic and ill advised.

A 10 year vegetarian Hindu boy with an LMG having a box magazine of 150 rounds of 5.56 or 7.62 ammunition can probably kill a hundred Mohammed of Ghoris coming on horse back armed with swords, spears and shields.

The reality is the nature of war has changed with time. Today's warfare is as much about using your brawn as it about using your brain. If one F16 pilot eats 2kgs of meat and another eats 5kgs of meat. Will the pilot who ate more meat perform better than the pilot who ate less meat. In the cockpit of an F16 do you need to be a pehelwan to read the various instruments and fire an Sidewinder or Amraam missile.

A sniper needs to calculate wind velocity and the probable angle of deviation of the bullet. At very long ranges even a bullet tends to take a parabolic path.

You need to use your brain to make use of today's weapons which are usually of high technology. We can say with honesty that today's soldiers need to be physically fit along with being technologically savvy.

So please don't overrate the importance of a high meat diet.

Calling Hindus vegetarians and cowards is an opium you are addicted to. You cannot digest the fact that the same overwhelmingly Hindu Army has defeated your so called superior meat eating army many times over. You can ignore reality at your peril.

I don't like to stress on religious factors. But the truth is an meat eating Muslim Pakistan soldier will not get immunity from being an non vegetarian. An 7.62 bullet will still pierce his heart if he does not have an bullet proof jacket. It does not matter if an 100% vegetarian Hindu fires that bullet from an assault rifle.

You are all over the place with this post but I will answer this politely.

First of all PK always had the intnetion and can probably overrun India today as it stands but that is not a wise man's game. A wise man strengthen himself to the point even if there was invention nobody will be able to prevent Pakistan seizing India. It is about growth since the US is breathing down on everyones' back there needs to be a solution set in stone even against all these who could intervene even tho I doubt anyone would but there might be pressure and some might attempt to intervene at some point it is 50/50 but that 50/50 needs to be limited to the point that whomever intervenes pays with his own life as price..

Pakistan has not hit that degree just yet but it is coming.. Having set in stone offensive capability that can strike anyone on earth from any distance as deterence from any sort of intervention.. India itself is not a deterence against PK..

India is not about this life and never was? The pressure on PK is greater then India because PK has the ambition of world hegemony while India doesn't really have because PK has been part of such community before that had world hegemony so they know how it tastes and feels. PK is not here to serve anyone in the world but harbours ambitions to be served and gain world hegemony.. India is just a little piece of the pie.. India is just a small fraction that stands in the way which will be brushed aside.

Lmao.. You went to much into the vegetarian angle. Guess what? vegetarians are dumber than meat eaters and no the varied of the meat has nothing to do with that.. The Indians have smaller brains scientifically proven due to many generations of being vegetarians. PK has the intelligence factor over India set in stone.

Just because we use guns today as suppose to swords back in the day doesn't change anything.. Wars today are even more brutal as it can drag for years and it depends on patience and longevity. India doesn't have stomach for death but not so much over in Pakistan because death is celebrated in there culture.. Fighting an overly armed army that is not afraid of dying is a scary prospect for anyone this is where the major advantage comes from..

Indians are also just soft people generally perhaps overally soft. Hence why they ain't about this life nor part of this great game for world dominance. India is used at best as sub-servant by others because the world powers understand it's limitions...

Why do you think Pakistan, Iran, China, Egypt, Turkey, Russia etc etc are viewed as threat but not India? The US deep state knows India's limitions and best utilitized exlusively as service.. It is not an inside secret but open knowlegde
 
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