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COVID is humbling those nations who have wrecked the world and caused untold losses of life and destruction of property -- as you can see even though Islamic World was effected by this but not on the grand scale as the West & Co. and the Gangus next door.
May be and may be not. It is more related to some precautions and immunity. The indians had immunity but they were much relaxed, which gave rise to virus. All I am saying that a punishment from God is severe and leaves no one who was a rebel. Just as happened to people in the past. SO never equate it to God's punishment as we are not sure. Just be grateful and humble.
 
COVID is humbling those nations who have wrecked the world and caused untold losses of life and destruction of property -- as you can see even though Islamic World was effected by this but not on the grand scale as the West & Co. and the Gangus next door.


Exactly, it's our backyard and we will do what we have to do, our way.

Let these US/NATO stooges bark like mad dogs. We have always been in charge. We are not going to let some fvcking foreigners invade our region. This is our neighborhood and we own it.
 
Whatever man. Just leave and let us do the honors. You can't do shit. You can't even arrange a military base in the region. We have heard your BS for 20 years now. The rightful owners are now going to step in and re-establish order.

Remember these names in no particular order: Iran, Pakistan, China, Russia and Turkey.

That is right. Don't just talk and protect your little Afghan traitors.
*you* are the traitor. to all decent human beings.
not people who seek to cooperate with the outside world to prevent groups like alQuada, ISIS and the taliban from gaining and holding ground.

i do hope your pretty list of newcomers to anti-terror work actually gets the job done at least as well as NATO did.
Exactly, it's our backyard and we will do what we have to do, our way.
if you don't get the anti-terror jobs done right, you force us to do it for you.
any civilian casualties resulting from that will be the responsiblity of the extermists and those that failed to defeat them (now and in the future!).
Let these US/NATO stooges bark like mad dogs. We have always been in charge. We are not going to let some fvcking foreigners invade our region. This is our neighborhood and we own it.
don't you live in the netherlands, like i do?
aren't you bound by Dutch law?
 
not people who seek to cooperate with the outside world to prevent groups like alQuada, ISIS and the taliban from gaining and holding ground.

In the last 5 years, the US delisted East Turkestan Islamic Movement from their terror list in a desperate attempt to use them against China, have tried to increase legitimate support for Al Nusra (Al Qaeda) affiliates in Idlib to maintain some leverage against Syria and negotiating with the Taliban for months to leave the country and legitimize them.

You are a delusional civvie calling other ordinary people traitors while the people who run NATO go behind you and your elected government's back every single day. STFU and read more.
 
In the last 5 years, the US delisted East Turkestan Islamic Movement from their terror list in a desperate attempt to use them against China, have tried to increase legitimate support for Al Nusra (Al Qaeda) affiliates in Idlib to maintain some leverage against Syria and negotiating with the Taliban for months to leave the country and legitimize them.

You are a delusional civvie calling other ordinary people traitors while the people who run NATO go behind you and your elected government's back every single day. STFU and read more.
Good points sir, but why we should swear !!
 
Good points sir, but why we should swear !!

You need to remind these kids they're morons and they don't deserve any respect or courtesy. By the way, this kid called the guy he was replying to a traitor which is much worse in my book than calling someone a dumbass.
 
well not "officially" anyways...

trtworld.com

Why Pakistan's Imran Khan said no to American drones
Aoun Sahi

11-13 minutes


The US is running out of options as it looks to secure strike capability against terrorist groups after the Afghan withdrawal.


On May 2, officers of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) visited Nasirabad, a dusty town in the western Balochistan province that borders Afghanistan and Iran. It was part of a scouting mission to pinpoint a location for constructing a new air base, a local government official told Dawn newspaper.
Nasirabad is not far from the Shamsi airfield that the United States used to launch drone strikes against militants in Pakistan’s tribal areas until 2011.
The report of a new air base came at a time when the US is struggling to figure out which country in the region will host its drones as it prepares for a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan.
It immediately stirred speculation that a potential air base in Nasirabad is somehow linked with Washington’s request to use Pakistani airspace for future missions to monitor and target Al Qaeda and Daesh in Afghanistan.
Pakistan’s top leadership including Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi have categorically stated that Islamabad has refused access of its bases to Americans. The PAF has also clarified that search for a new air base is a routine matter.
“No base will be allowed to the US by Prime Minister Imran Khan so long as he is in power,” a senior Pakistani cabinet minister told TRT World.
An old nemesis
Khan, who has been in office since 2018, has long opposed US military intervention in Afghanistan and Pakistan’s own tribal region. And it’s unlikely he’ll back down.
As an opposition leader in 2012, Imran Khan led thousands of people in a rally from Islamabad to the tribal areas to protest US drone operations.
“Pakistan has collaborated with the US in the past but always at a great political cost,” Tughral Yamin, an Islamabad-based security analyst and associate dean at the National University of Sciences and Technology (NUST), told TRT World.
The US has yet to publicly acknowledge Pakistan’s refusal to host its military aircraft and drones. Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor to US President Joe Biden, instead, told a press conference earlier this month that the US has had “constructive discussions in the military, intelligence and diplomatic channels” in response to a question about a possible drone base in Pakistan.
The New York Times reported on June 6 that William J Burns, the director of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), recently visited Islamabad where he met Pakistan’s military chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa and the head of the ISI, Pakistan military’s intelligence wing, Lt General Faiz Hameed.
During the same visit, Burns had requested an audience with Khan but was refused. Khan has reportedly said he will only talk to his counterpart — Joe Biden.
The secret arrival of the CIA director at such a crucial time is being seen as Washington’s attempt to lobby Pakistan’s powerful military.
“Imran Khan might have a thin majority in parliament but he speaks his own mind. Ultimately it’s a political decision (about the base) and I don't think the military will have any objection to that” said Yamin.
In 2012 when Imran Khan was an opposition leader he led thousands of people in a rally from Islamabad to tribal areas in protest against the US drone strikes.
In 2012 when Imran Khan was an opposition leader he led thousands of people in a rally from Islamabad to tribal areas in protest against the US drone strikes. (AP Archive)
The CIA-led US drone operation is widely unpopular in Pakistan. From 2004 and 2018, US drones carried out more than 400 strikes in the tribal areas located in the northern mountainous region. Between 424 and 969 civilians including more than 172 children were killed by bombs rained down by Predator and Reaper drones, according to The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ).
The only time the US accepted that one of its drone strikes killed any civilians was in 2015 when an Italian hostage along with another non-Pakistani in the custody of Al Qaeda was targeted.
“Armed drones have their own narrative. For instance in Pakistan they have become synonymous with perpetual surveillance and civilian communities terrorised while the Americans have even refused to take responsibility when something had gone wrong,” said Chris Woods of Airwars, which keeps track of the US drone attacks.
In the years leading up to his election, Khan continuously criticised past governments for allowing US boots on Pakistani soil.
“Imran Khan has been true to his word. There hasn’t been a recorded (CIA) airstrike within Pakistan since he came to power,” said Woods.
The CIA carried out the last drone strike in Pakistan’s tribal region in July 2018, the same month Khan won the election.
If Khan owes part of his electoral success to his defiance to US military intervention then there’s no reason for him to jeopardise his reputation by letting the Americans come back, said Woods.
An exit of a bloody legacy
Drones have been crucial to US military strategy since the Afghan invasion in 2001 drove out the Taliban regime. Over the years, drones have killed as many as 10,000 people in more than 13,000 strikes in Afghanistan. Hundreds of those killed were civilians.
Hundreds of civilians in Pakistan's tribal areas were killed in US drone strikes but Washington never acknowledged their deaths.'s tribal areas were killed in US drone strikes but Washington never acknowledged their deaths.
Hundreds of civilians in Pakistan's tribal areas were killed in US drone strikes but Washington never acknowledged their deaths. (AP Archive)
Operated by ‘pilots’ from a military facility somewhere in the US, the drones actually took off from secret American bases in Afghanistan.
Unlike conventional jets, drones can loiter in the air for up to 40 hours, helping intelligence sleuths collect information about targets on the ground. The cameras in the ball-shaped sensor turrets of drones have advanced in the past decade just like the cellphone cameras. They allow an operator to clearly see if someone is holding a gun in his hand and follow a militant to an isolated location before he’s hit.
“In principle, yes, drones should be better at avoiding civilian deaths than conventional jets. However, in practice, it depends on the targeting practices of the operators and how relaxed they are,” said Professor Hugh Gusterson, an anthropologist at The University of British Columbia and author of the book Drone: Remote Control Warfare.
“Over time, Obama tightened targeting protocols to reduce civilian deaths, then (Donald) Trump relaxed them,” he told TRT World.
The tenure of former US President Barack Obama saw the largest number of drone attacks.
The US has expedited the pullout of its troops from Afghanistan since it signed a peace deal with the Taliban last year. Washington plans to remove its remaining 2,000 odd soldiers by September 11, the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks that started the war on terror.
Many of the US military bases have been vacated or handed over to the Afghan military, which experts say will face difficulty in fighting Taliban insurgents once foreign troops leave.
Searching for alternates
In what US officials have dubbed “over-the-horizon capacity”, Washington wants to station some of its drones and other military assets in one of Afghanistan’s neighbouring countries.
But that has nothing to do with checking the advances of the Taliban, the US Central Command (CENTCOM) commander Marine Gen. Kenneth F McKenzie Jr told the Military Times in an interview this week.
“I would tell you that the only thing we’re planning for right now — the only thing we’re planning for right now — is the ability to continue operations against al-Qaeda and ISIS (Daesh),” he said.
Drone attacks have become synonymous with death and destruction in Pakistan.
Drone attacks have become synonymous with death and destruction in Pakistan. (AP Archive)
Finding a country — other than Pakistan — that will host US forces and drones is turning out to be a challenge.
“US drones could operate from other bases in the region, including from Turkey. In general you want drones to be stationed as close as possible to their targets,” said Gusterson.
“The less distance they have to travel to target, the less you spend on fuel and maintenance and the more flying time you spend on the mission itself rather than on getting to the mission. Drones fly slowly, so distance matters.”
Some Central Asian countries can offer a solution, but Russia would oppose such a move.
Tajikistan has in the past allowed US planes to refuel at one of its air bases near the capital Dushanbe. But Tajik President Emomali Rahmon is close to Moscow. He was the only foreign leader invited by Russia for the May 6 military parade.
US troops also used the Karshi-Khanabad air base in Uzbekistan between 2001 and 2005. The arrangement fell apart after Washington condemned Uzbek government for suppressing domestic protests there.
One narrative that’s being pushed around — such as in this April article by BBC’s security correspondent Frank Gardner — is that the US is wary of trusting Pakistan’s ISI that is accused of facilitating the Taliban.
But experts said it’s more a matter of logistics.
Bahrain and Oman in the Gulf are also possible candidates. Both countries host bases of the American NATO ally UK. But a flight from these countries can take hours for it to reach a target in Afghanistan.
“Biggest limitation is the range. Reaper drones have significant range but you want them as close to the region as possible because you want them in the air hovering as long as you possibly can,” said Woods of Airwars.
“And the further distance that they have to travel the less time they have in the air, which is of course the value of the drone.”

Source: TRT World


Analysis
Devil Pact of Old nemesis

The old nemesis enabled the CIA to conduct covert drone operations on Pakistani citizens from Pakistani soil. Up until July 2018, this shameful past government publicly condemned CIA drone attacks while in fact allowing them. As long as Imran is in power, we have not seen a single drone attack by the CIA since he is in power in July 2018, and Imran takes these attacks very seriously against the Pakistani people. IK has stood solid on innocent people's lives, but we have to pay the price for that. While opposition leaders messed up Parliament sessions and blamed the government, they publicly stated that they were working hard to remove Imran Khan's government so CIA drones again can kill all Pakistanis.
 
Of course. We may well still see a workable solution that delivers for both sides.
I doubt pakistan will trust USA this time.

Pakistan got bitten because it trusted a constant relationship..that was an error in judgement..
Democrasy dont have constant leadership or relations

The country gained nothing rathee got million of refuges injured sick afghans at its hospital..
Just the health crisis alone is far greater then any aid it got less then a billion dollars per year..

Of note whole afghanistan hasnt has a single Hemodialysis center ..

War will bring miseray to pakistan and USA will always hold aid or kill civilians as colateral damage to acheive its objectives..its a no brainer what pakistan would want to do

Perhaps had USA been more stable in its relationship(like throughout 1980s) something could have been acheieved but problem was USA had to keep india happy so it allowed indian proxies in afghanistan and messed up all of afghanistan..spent and wastwd a trillion dollars most of which ended up in UAE, Turkey, europe and Othet off shore heavens
 
well not "officially" anyways...

This 25-second clip of Imran's interview with HBO has already cost the CIA 25 billion dollars in damage and led to intense pressure on them to cease all operations in the region. US foreign policy was damaged by this interview. Here are a few more things you should know.
 
*you* are the traitor. to all decent human beings.
not people who seek to cooperate with the outside world to prevent groups like alQuada, ISIS and the taliban from gaining and holding ground.

i do hope your pretty list of newcomers to anti-terror work actually gets the job done at least as well as NATO did.

if you don't get the anti-terror jobs done right, you force us to do it for you.
any civilian casualties resulting from that will be the responsiblity of the extermists and those that failed to defeat them (now and in the future!).

don't you live in the netherlands, like i do?
aren't you bound by Dutch law?

Your papa USA created all these monsters. Don't shed crocodile tears for something your leader is responsible for. From AQ to Taliban and so many other militant groups. It is all papa America's lovely creation.

Don't get sentimental. It isn't us who told you to leave. You are leaving at your own free will. If you got something on your mind feel free to face us. With us I obviously mean the regional nations. The truth is you tried for 20 years and you got nothing to show for. You are leaving bitter. We know that, but there is very little you can actually do. After setting the entire region on fire to accommodate and promote India you have miserably failed. Did you really think that we were just going to let you prop up India against our interests? Did you really think that the regional powers were going to let you dictate the terms in their own backyard?

Now get this through your thick skull. The age of intervention is over. You have for decades demonstrated that invading and occupying doesn't yield anything. You have collectively failed in every misadventure. From the Middle East to South Asia. Pure failure. There is not one success story. Like I pointed out, stop pretending. You have failed and others are ready to take over. Just pack your bags and leave. Let nature take its course. You had your chance and you blew it.
 
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As I have said all along, I am sure that both sides can find a perfectly workable solution.
don't they do all the time?
it always works out better for both given the unfavourable alternatives.
 
don't they do all the time?
it always works out better for both given the unfavourable alternatives.
Bro we cannot have them in Pakistan. they carryout their malpractices and we suffer continues terrorist and political imbalance. Removed them by forces decade ago and now we are back to square one.

so there cannot be a 'workable solution' there is only an exodus and keep out.
 
Bro we cannot have them in Pakistan. they carryout their malpractices and we suffer continues terrorist and political imbalance. Removed them by forces decade ago and now we are back to square one.

Helping the Taliban come to power was the greatest mistake Pak military made in 40 years and I guarantee you they will make this very mistake again and the rest of the country will suffer.

Right now we're getting news of a Talib surge in parts of Afghanistan and ANA troops surrendering. What a great time to embolden and strengthen Talibs! By the time the U.S. leaves the country, they won't even need to be worried about dealing with a credible opposition! They can just take over the country and start sidestepping us! Brilliant 5D chess by the Pak Fauj.
 
don't they do all the time?
it always works out better for both given the unfavourable alternatives.

There is no workable solution, and they should have no presence in the nation what so ever. They are trouble makers, who go beyond all means to create discord internally by cultivating actors within the borders, and like we don't have enough problems already and you want to create another one?

Pak Military establishment should learn from there constant mistakes of *** kissing the same butt and getting smacked time and time again, it's almost shameful to look at them at times.

We already lost 70K+ precious Pakistani lives that are more valuable to us then the rest of the West and their population for a war that had nothing to do with us.
 
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