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By OMAR WARAICH / ISLAMABAD Tuesday, Jul. 28, 2009

Pakistan is not betting on a U.S. victory in Afghanistan, nor is it going out of its way to help achieve one. Instead, say analysts and former top officials in Islamabad, Pakistan views the conflict in Afghanistan through the lens of its own national interests and its conflict with India — and it will act accordingly, prioritizing securing its own interests in Afghanistan's future. And that could be bad news for a U.S.-led military campaign that depends on Pakistan's help for thwarting the Afghan insurgency.

Pakistan officials expressed anxiety two weeks ago when 4,000 U.S. Marines were sent into Helmand province in the first major offensive under the command of President Barack Obama's new Afghanistan commander, General Stanley McChrystal. McChrystal was forced to visit Pakistan on July 26 to allay its security chiefs' fears that a squeeze on Taliban militants in Helmand could push them across the border and further destabilize Pakistan.

Helmand shares a porous border with Baluchistan, the vast and restive southwestern province of Pakistan where for years the military has been battling — under a thick media blackout — Baluch separatists in the mountains. Having committed troops to fighting the Pakistani Taliban in the tribal areas of the northwest and insisting on maintaining a heavy troop concentration along the Indian border in the east, Pakistan complains that it lacks the troops to rebuff a Taliban spillover from Helmand.

"What the Pakistanis are asking the Americans to do is encircle [the Taliban militants] within Afghanistan instead," to prevent them from crossing the border, says a senior Western diplomat familiar with the discussions. Washington, for its part, has been urging both India and Pakistan to agree to a reciprocal reduction of troop levels along their mutual border, in order to free up more Pakistani forces to tackle the Taliban. But that may be missing the point: one of the reasons for the divergent strategic priorities between Washington and Islamabad is that Pakistan sees Afghanistan as another theater of its conflict with India.

"There is a genuine concern that when there's a military operation across the border, there is a spillover," says Ayesha Siddiqa, an independent Pakistani military analyst. But of equal concern may be the prospect that a weakened Taliban may actually diminish Pakistan's influence in Afghanistan. "Is it," says Siddiqa, "less to do with the actual movement of militants into Pakistan, and more with the fact that greater U.S. military pressure in Afghanistan may lead to a situation where Pakistan is left with no space in the country?"

Pakistan has certainly been ambivalent about the U.S. invasion that took down the Taliban regime at the end of 2001. Rustam Shah Mohmand, a former Pakistani ambassador to Afghanistan, says that Islamabad was "party to the dismantling of the Taliban regime and creating the conditions for the emergence of Hamid Karzai as Afghan President." But it is widely suspected that Pakistan has never really relinquished the Afghan Taliban as a proxy for pursuing its own long-term interests in Afghanistan, since it regards Karzai as an ally of its enemy India. Thus Pakistan's own campaign against the Taliban on its soil has focused on those groups directly attacking the Pakistani state, while largely turning a blind eye to militant groups that simply use its soil as a base from which to wage war on Western forces in Afghanistan.

Western intelligence agencies suspect that Mullah Omar, leader of the Afghan Taliban, is hunkered down in a sanctuary near the city of Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan, with other key members of the Taliban leadership.

Pakistani authorities vehemently deny that the Afghan Taliban's key leadership structure is based in Quetta. And it stresses that limited resources force it to prioritize dealing with the Pakistani Taliban's domestic insurgency. "The situation is that Pakistan cannot fight all kinds of Taliban militants at once," says Hasan Askari-Rizvi, a political and military analyst. "Those Taliban who are challenging the Pakistani state's authority, they will be dealt with first." But critics believe that elements within the military establishment continue to discreetly support insurgent groups operating across the border in order to maintain Pakistan's strategic leverage in Afghanistan.

Pakistan's security establishment has never embraced the Karzai government, which it sees as dominated by the predominantly ethnic Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara forces of the India-backed Northern Alliance. And it fears that India is expanding its influence there through massive development projects and by using Afghanistan as a base from which to destabilize Pakistan. (Read "Can Afghanistan Support a Beefed Up Military?")

Although Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has broken with his predecessor, General Pervez Musharraf, in embracing Karzai as an ally, his government continues to regard Afghanistan skeptically. Last week Interior Minister Rehman Malik accused the Karzai government of colluding with India to secretly back the Baluch insurgency inside Pakistan.

The Taliban regime had given Pakistan what local military strategists termed "strategic depth." A friendly regime in Kabul helped Islamabad counter New Delhi's clout in the region and helped relieve a sense of being encircled by India and its allies. Pakistani officials fear that as Pashtun political power has receded in Afghanistan, New Delhi's influence has grown at Islamabad's expense. It is widely alleged by Pakistani officials that India is using its four consulates along Pakistan's western border to foment the Baluch insurgency. Recent local propaganda has gone further, alleging that even the Taliban in Swat enjoys Indian backing — rumors that have helped rally public support against the militants. (See pictures of Pakistan's vulnerable frontier with Afghanistan.)

The deeper Pakistani fear about the U.S. offensive is that the more it succeeds, the less chance Pakistan will have of influencing events in Afghanistan after the Americans and their allies leave. "Pakistan will find itself in a fix," says analyst Siddiqa. "What Pakistan doesn't want is a U.S. military victory in the short-term without securing its own long-term strategic interests." It is for this reason, many suspect, that Pakistan has not broken with the Afghan Taliban and other Pakistan-based militant groups fighting in Afghanistan.

Mohmand says the best outcome for the U.S. in Afghanistan is to negotiate an exit. "Fundamentally, the U.S. presence in Afghanistan is unsustainable," says the former Pakistan ambassador to Afghanistan. "At some point, they will have to be driven to the negotiations table. Pakistan will have to be included in the overall architecture of those talks. This can happen if basic objectives are met: there is some sort of functioning democracy, there is no space for al-Qaeda and it is a stabilized and peaceful country. If those benchmarks can be negotiated by regional powers, then the U.S. could begin to leave."

Why Pakistan Balks at the U.S. Afghanistan Offensive -- Printout -- TIME
 
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US has to leave Afganistan now and obivious that Pakistan would put her interest first we are tired of drone attack's calling another Muslim who studies in Madarsa terrorist i'm so over this BS the people fighting in Pakistan are being paid to fight with Pakistan Army and we all know our enemies are.........Israel,US and India just covert operations along giving Afgan's money to go and fight Pakistan Army and why should'nt Pakistan support Mullah Omar although he's ally of Pakistan Army he said if India and Pakistan goes to war he said we know how well to defend the durand line along with Pakistan Army.US has its interest in Afganistan due to where its located and Iraq its obvious WMDs....i call Afgan's Mujahideens they are fighting a far superior force while regular air strike kills 100's in Afganistan look and Iraq its a grave yard now Pakistan Army should take some serious action againts these drones we've lost our soverigenity we have to gain it back we have shown NWFP that they are not a part a Pakistan by not shooting down drones i was talking to this kid name Hamid the other day he's from DIR thats what he told me what Pastuns are thinking about Pakistan Army he said they will take the matters to thier own hands they are sick of US in Afganistan.Pakistan is a nation of 175 Million we should not be scared of US,India nor Israel we must be proud Allah has given us Nuclear Power and great minds in Pakistan to deliver its missiles system although we lack leadership he said if there's a nation like Pakistan will surely get a treat like bad leadership.....:pakistan: Zindabad

Well said. :cheers: :china::pakistan: Afghans and Pakistans are like brothers and sisters. It is ridiculous to expect US to bomb UK back to 'stone-age', so why do they think it is okay to do that to us? Or we less of human beings?

I have always advocated a strong Asian-African-Arab-Americas union. Not for hedgemony's sake but so united we can stand up to bullying by these white supremacists. Divided we are weak, but united we are strong. They understand that and its about time WE understand that. :sniper: :guns: :wave:
 
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US has to leave Afganistan now and obivious that Pakistan would put her interest first we are tired of drone attack's calling another Muslim who studies in Madarsa terrorist i'm so over this BS the people fighting in Pakistan are being paid to fight with Pakistan Army and we all know our enemies are.........Israel,US and India just covert operations along giving Afgan's money to go and fight Pakistan Army and why should'nt Pakistan support Mullah Omar although he's ally of Pakistan Army he said if India and Pakistan goes to war he said we know how well to defend the durand line along with Pakistan Army.US has its interest in Afganistan due to where its located and Iraq its obvious WMDs....i call Afgan's Mujahideens they are fighting a far superior force while regular air strike kills 100's in Afganistan look and Iraq its a grave yard now Pakistan Army should take some serious action againts these drones we've lost our soverigenity we have to gain it back we have shown NWFP that they are not a part a Pakistan by not shooting down drones i was talking to this kid name Hamid the other day he's from DIR thats what he told me what Pastuns are thinking about Pakistan Army he said they will take the matters to thier own hands they are sick of US in Afganistan.Pakistan is a nation of 175 Million we should not be scared of US,India nor Israel we must be proud Allah has given us Nuclear Power and great minds in Pakistan to deliver its missiles system although we lack leadership he said if there's a nation like Pakistan will surely get a treat like bad leadership.....:pakistan: Zindabad

One more note. There is a reason these drone attacks (rather than direct confrontation) against Pakistan, and it is to weaken (and create chaos - like in Iran, China) Pakistan until a point it collapses into total chaos. The white-supremacist nations dare NOT a direct confrontation with Pakistan, Iran, China, Korea, latin America or even Russia. Those days are over. In today's great game, its all about sowing division and mistrust within.

I say it's payback time! :angry: :guns:
 
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Well said. :cheers: :china::pakistan: Afghans and Pakistans are like brothers and sisters. It is ridiculous to expect US to bomb UK back to 'stone-age', so why do they think it is okay to do that to us? Or we less of human beings?

I have always advocated a strong Asian-African-Arab-Americas union. Not for hedgemony's sake but so united we can stand up to bullying by these white supremacists. Divided we are weak, but united we are strong. They understand that and its about time WE understand that. :sniper: :guns: :wave:

In addition to what S-2 said.....

Aren't so many Pakistani posters here vehemently favoring the option of driving ALL Afghanis out of Pakistani land? Hasn't your own government shown resentment on the usage of the word A F - P A K? Not so long ago your administration was dreaming of making Afghanistan as your 6th province for the sake of so called strategic depth. Now that the weapons have backfired, you call them your brother & sisters? Chameleon...
 
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Well said. :cheers: :china::pakistan: Afghans and Pakistans are like brothers and sisters. It is ridiculous to expect US to bomb UK back to 'stone-age', so why do they think it is okay to do that to us? Or we less of human beings?

I have always advocated a strong Asian-African-Arab-Americas union. Not for hedgemony's sake but so united we can stand up to bullying by these white supremacists. Divided we are weak, but united we are strong. They understand that and its about time WE understand that. :sniper: :guns: :wave:

In addition, see what LP has to say on another thread about Afghanistan.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ia-set-up-partnership-council.html#post436950

blah blah you can build roads making our work easy while we prepare US to leave guess what Mullah Omar is back its going to be a dark day for Indian's in Afganistan we will again start controlling Afganistan like its our 5th province like we did a decade ago its not that much of a problem to us either way its India's loss.

Apparently he does not believe that Afghanis & Pakistanis are brothers & sisters :lol:
 
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The US is dumping their mess onto Pakistan. It won't make any difference if we rooted for a US victory in Afghanistan. In fact by all accounts it seems like we're about to play it by the US handbook of counter-insurgency.

Our coming up operation in the n/s Waziristan is going to be just this. A get-them-out-of-Pakistan campaign. They will be then the US's mess to deal with. Sort of like a role, reversal. Lets see if the US can walk its own talk.
 
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"Pakistan Army should take some serious action againts these drones we've lost our soverigenity we have to gain it back..."

You lost your sovereignty when your army failed to fight the afghan taliban gov't and it's army in 2001-2002. You acquiesced then and have since lied to this young man in DIR and others about your duplicity in surrendering these tribal lands to a foreign taliban government from which it makes war on Afghanistan.

One might easily presume that were you to care for your tribal citizens in the same manner in which you demonstrably care about those of SWAT and Buner, this condition of taliban enslavement in FATA wouldn't have arisen. Instead your army would have fought then in FATA as it fights now in SWAT/Buner.

Drones are the chosen means by which the U.S. government protects it's forces and allies from these attacks eminating for eight years from your soil.

Please cease this behavior. Once you've verifiably done so, I've no doubt that drone attacks will no longer be necessary. Until then, we reserve the right to protect our interests. Be glad that other options haven't been explored as we're entirely capable of a much more vigorous defense.
 
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"Pakistan Army should take some serious action againts these drones we've lost our soverigenity we have to gain it back..."

You lost your sovereignty when your army failed to fight the afghan taliban gov't and it's army in 2001-2002. You acquiesced then and have since lied to this young man in DIR and others about your duplicity in surrendering these tribal lands to a foreign taliban government from which it makes war on Afghanistan.

One might easily presume that were you to care for your tribal citizens in the same manner in which you demonstrably care about those of SWAT and Buner, this condition of taliban enslavement in FATA wouldn't have arisen. Instead your army would have fought then in FATA as it fights now in SWAT/Buner.

Drones are the chosen means by which the U.S. government protects it's forces and allies from these attacks eminating for eight years from your soil.

Please cease this behavior. Once you've verifiably done so, I've no doubt that drone attacks will no longer be necessary. Until then, we reserve the right to protect our interests. Be glad that other options haven't been explored as we're entirely capable of a much more vigorous defense.

Pakistan army already did its job by doing complex operation. Do n t forget Pakistan army had to look after the civilians. But US do n t had to worry about civilians in Afghanistan still they are beaten back.

And it is US fault that Pakistan is bleeding by not securing borders and every day Taliban and raw CIA agents cross to Pakistan and aid Pakistani Taliban.

Think my Pakistan brothers we fought this war and already Pakistan in finical crises but Taliban who cat n t buy clothes for themselves are getting latest military equipments.
Pakistan resources are depleting in this war but Taliban keeps on coming.

If US would not threaten Pakistan then where will be no **** going in fata.
 
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US has to leave Afganistan now and obivious that Pakistan would put her interest first we are tired of drone attack's calling another Muslim who studies in Madarsa terrorist i'm so over this BS the people fighting in Pakistan are being paid to fight with Pakistan Army and we all know our enemies are.........Israel,US and India just covert operations along giving Afgan's money to go and fight Pakistan Army and why should'nt Pakistan support Mullah Omar although he's ally of Pakistan Army he said if India and Pakistan goes to war he said we know how well to defend the durand line along with Pakistan Army.US has its interest in Afganistan due to where its located and Iraq its obvious WMDs....i call Afgan's Mujahideens they are fighting a far superior force while regular air strike kills 100's in Afganistan look and Iraq its a grave yard now Pakistan Army should take some serious action againts these drones we've lost our soverigenity we have to gain it back we have shown NWFP that they are not a part a Pakistan by not shooting down drones i was talking to this kid name Hamid the other day he's from DIR thats what he told me what Pastuns are thinking about Pakistan Army he said they will take the matters to thier own hands they are sick of US in Afganistan.Pakistan is a nation of 175 Million we should not be scared of US,India nor Israel we must be proud Allah has given us Nuclear Power and great minds in Pakistan to deliver its missiles system although we lack leadership he said if there's a nation like Pakistan will surely get a treat like bad leadership.....:pakistan: Zindabad

Right on brother.
US do n t understands what Pakistan and its people going through.
US is the reason following are its enemy.
Iraq (fighting 1st gulf war, still Iraq never launch any retaliation against US after 1st gulf war, still American launch second)
Iran (using shah of Iran killing Iran people for western interest make Iran what it is today)
Afghanistan (use afghani people like cheep army to defeat Russia and now fighting afghan’s to take control over Afghanistan for oil pipe line. What the difference between Russia invasion and American occupation)

Remember these were all friend of US in the past now are the enemy of US. Same thing is happening to Pakistan, using us for US interest. Time will come when Pakistani people got sick of it and will declare US its enemy.
 
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And it is US fault that Pakistan is bleeding by not securing borders and every day Taliban and raw CIA agents cross to Pakistan and aid Pakistani Taliban.

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:rofl: Pakistan doesnt bother to guard its own borders and thats the US's fault thats a new high on the rolf factor. Though the following comes close.

Time will come when Pakistani people got sick of it and will declare US its enemy.

I am sure any one who hates Pakistan would love that, Pakistan would end up fighting the Taliban inside , the US outside and india would walk in when it saw the PAK army streached on two fronts. You can argue over america being good or bad for pakistan but only a fool or an enemy of Pakistan would sugest attacking them.
 
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"Pakistan Army should take some serious action againts these drones we've lost our soverigenity we have to gain it back..."

You lost your sovereignty when your army failed to fight the afghan taliban gov't and it's army in 2001-2002. You acquiesced then and have since lied to this young man in DIR and others about your duplicity in surrendering these tribal lands to a foreign taliban government from which it makes war on Afghanistan.

Lets us suppose you are right....ok but then again we are claiming our soverignity back from the so called talibans wanna bes or should i say the proxy war being waged against us, anyhow since we have realized our so called past mistakes and now taliban are on the run (and dont challenge me on that since your buddies the brits have just yesterday accepted Pakistan's claims in defeating talibans in Swat) so perhaps now it is time to reclaim our soverignity back from the US as well and what better way then to shot down a couple of illegal birds flying over a soverign territory.
This isnt going to happen anytime soon not with the current tolla and you should really visit church often if you are a religious man and pray God that this tola remains there for you because in reality people have had it with them and the day they are gone the next government whoever it maybe will not show the same restraint and flexibility that the US enjoys currently.
 
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:rofl: Pakistan doesnt bother to guard its own borders and thats the US's fault thats a new high on the rolf factor. Though the following comes close.



I am sure any one who hates Pakistan would love that, Pakistan would end up fighting the Taliban inside , the US outside and india would walk in when it saw the PAK army streached on two fronts. You can argue over america being good or bad for pakistan but only a fool or an enemy of Pakistan would sugest attacking them.

Keep your flawed logic to yourself and by the way the only thing we are laughing at is at your stupid post. Seriously learn a few things about Pakistan before writing your stupid BR mentality here and wasting Bandwidth.
 
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"dont challenge me on that since your buddies the brits have just yesterday accepted Pakistan's claims in defeating talibans in Swat..."

Oh gosh, I can't help myself-

Taliban Resume Attacks In SWAT Valley- WSJ 27 July, 2009

Oh! They found Jahan Zada's body the other day, btw.

Beheaded.

Don't be so arrogant and, instead, prepare yourself for the odious task of sustaining your victories.

"...what better way then to shot down a couple of illegal birds flying over a soverign territory."

Then we put a couple of more up. No biggie. They're not piloted jets. That's one of PREDATOR/REAPER's advantages. Meanwhile you lose all that groovy intel we've handed over to you (see MBI Munshi here).

OTOH, I don't think your country is ready to lose all that recently promised aid and certainly haven't re-settled your SWAT/Buner populations yet with winter just around the corner.

"...the next government whoever it maybe will not show the same restraint and flexibility that the US enjoys currently."

We hear, O great Khan, and tremble before you.:lol:
 
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"Pakistan Army should take some serious action againts these drones we've lost our soverigenity we have to gain it back..."

You lost your sovereignty when your army failed to fight the afghan taliban gov't and it's army in 2001-2002. You acquiesced then and have since lied to this young man in DIR and others about your duplicity in surrendering these tribal lands to a foreign taliban government from which it makes war on Afghanistan.

One might easily presume that were you to care for your tribal citizens in the same manner in which you demonstrably care about those of SWAT and Buner, this condition of taliban enslavement in FATA wouldn't have arisen. Instead your army would have fought then in FATA as it fights now in SWAT/Buner.

Drones are the chosen means by which the U.S. government protects it's forces and allies from these attacks eminating for eight years from your soil.

Please cease this behavior. Once you've verifiably done so, I've no doubt that drone attacks will no longer be necessary. Until then, we reserve the right to protect our interests. Be glad that other options haven't been explored as we're entirely capable of a much more vigorous defense.

US has right to protect its instrest and Pakistan has also right to formulate its long term policy, US intrests are temperary and mistrust between two world's nuke powers is increasing not decreasing due to dron attacks.

US is free to use other options ---- and Pakistan is also free to rethink to continue support for US in Afghanistan.

Pakistan supported US for this war more than its capacity ,that is reason we are facing problems in FATA and SWAT.
 
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