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Why Pakistan Balks at the U.S. Afghanistan Offensive

"...since unlike the US, we only have the option to withdraw a few miles here and there. We will always be in the area and the locals will have to live with that reality."

That's what occurs when your army defends Pakistan from itself.

Imagine us gone and a taliban gov't in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda with a new home re-secured once more. Elements of your "bad" taliban still rife in the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan.

Think they'll be taking orders from Pakistan?

Think again.

You're dead meat at that point.
 
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That's your problem if you don't have the good sense and maturity to take responsibility for defending ALL your borders.

Al Qaeda and Mullah omer never treathen us but few infedels indeed, why we make them our enemy , their war is not even with US,UK,NATO citizens only the zoinist due to palestine problem.


We don't. We assume responsibility for our actions, evaluate such for improvement and implement accordingly. Nothing's etched in stone in our world and everything is subject to re-evaluation and adjustment.

US think tank in pentagon should realise that sourse of terrorism is Israel , let us resolve that issue to kill the sourse of terrorism .

OTOH, you should accept that your negligence (or intent) in ignoring your west has led you to the miserable state in which you now find yourselves.

What negligence, Pakistan had done more than its capacity in last eight years, enough is enough , US need to first injustice in Palestine, only then you can expect peace in whole middle east and central asia.Israel and India both are continues treath, US is increasing its support which is flaming anger and hatred in muslim world.

Fundamentalist, let me assure you that were we to leave Afghanistan tomorrow and dis-engage ourselves of all aid and assistance to your country, you'd still wake up with these evil men eager to overthrow your country and grab your nukes.

This is biggest wrong conception, our nukes are in safe hand and beyound the reach of any terrorist organisation, US should better control India and Israel from which muslim world is feeling real danger.


This is your war and you chose it when you allowed these men on your lands. I don't really care if you fight it or not as I'm uncertain whether you are Amerca's enemy or not.

WOT is wrong war initiated by zoinist and neo cons, we have supported US and NATO for eight years, but US failed to get any results, Talabans are much more stronger then start of war, This not only weaken your economy but also effected our national unity and economics.

It is entirely possible that the enemy we should be fighting is you. I'm unclear here. Until such time as I see your forces actively engaged in attacking Nazir, Bahadur, Hekmatyar, Haqqani, and (most of all) Omar, I shall presume that it's highly likely that you eagerly assist these men in killing OUR men.

Talaban dont need any protection or help from us, they have their own sources and tactics to fight with ISAF, blame game will not help you to resolve your own cammand and control issues and failure to get the support of local Afghan citizens, it is their nature morning they support US forces in evening they help Talaban.

That, if true, would make Pakistan an enemy of my nation. Certainly no friend.

We dont need your friendship better make India your friend big country where you can sell your arms and get good money win win satuation for you.

You are duplicitous and treacherous in the use of proxies. It cannot continue indefinitely without America and others deciding that you cannot be helped. Do you need assistance imagining the steps beyond such conclusions?

Pakistan has enemies at both boarders , lack of understanding between US and GOP/PA is increasing not decreasing, we can creat more problems for US if your priority dont change in the region.

Our civilian and military leadership are under a mandate to evaluate your assistance and, also, the intrigue/duplicity of your actions to determine whether you are worthy of our continuing help.


Help from US, very funny we having trusted friend like China always ready for unconditional help , US need our help infact to get any result of this war.

To date it's a mixed bag. Nobody objects to your SWAT/Buner efforts. They are entirely appropriate given the existential threat these militants represented to your nat'l survival. How far beyond such and when is another question. The Islamic Emirate of Waziristan represents a grand opportunity to milk American largesse while procrastinating the hard work of war.

Its US hard luck trapped in net of Musharaf regime , misguided bush regime and insured every thing and show you rosy picture .Ground reality is very much different FATA is no man land we dont have full authority on that region .Good general always keep its supply line intact but sorry to say ,US generals failed to do so.


We'll see what happens but I hold little hope, regardless of Gilani's recent words that ALL taliban will be attacked. Frankly, I'm unsure if Gilani and his civilian compatriots have ANY real authority to suggest such.

That decision, as all other nat'l security/foreign policy decisions, resides with your military which remains the real power in Pakistan.

Good luck.

Strong miltery is our need because most of politicians are ex british loyal servents .:enjoy:
 
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"Al Qaeda and Mullah omer never treathen us but few infedels indeed, why we make them our enemy , their war is not even with US,UK,NATO citizens..."

You might be killed on the streets of Madrid, NYC, Washington D.C., Nairobi, Dar-es-Salaam, or London for such nonsense. Who was that dying in those attacks by Al Qaeda in those cities if they weren't simple CITIZENS?

Only an irhabi sympathizer could think such.

Admit that it is your ambition to see a taliban government in Afghanistan. State that you are perfectly happy to provide sanctuary on Pakistani lands to a defeated afghan taliban army and it's government. Make clear that you disagree with the objectives of the U.N. in Afghanistan and it's mandated forces-ISAF.

Sovereignty? You have none nor does it appear that you, Fundamentalist, even understand the rights and RESPONSIBILITIES associated with such.

You complain about drones but contenance the sanctuary of a foreign gov't and it's army. Two-faced duplicity.

Just that simple as the concept of sovereignty doesn't allow for it's selective application. When you sleep with dogs, you get fleas. That is the consequence.

When you openly associate, and worse, abet the ambitions of an illegal foreign gov't living in surreptitious sanctuary on your lands to further their ends in a neighboring nation, you should suffer all the consequences of such heinous behavior.

You guys really imagine that the rest of us don't get what you're up to. What's funny is that we DO GET IT and are desperately trying to save you from yourselves despite yourselves.

Oddly, were your ambitions achieved by the return of the afghan taliban to power under Pakistani "mentorship"- and with them their friends Al Qaeda, the FIRST country on their "to do" list is Pakistan.

Plain as day.

Oh, all the rest of us shall suffer too. Deservingly so for failing to see through our objectives in a war nobody can really afford to lose. Lose we shall, at least Pakistan, if Afghanistan falls to the taliban.

Pakistan, so desperate to maintain itself, clearly doesn't see the forest for the trees. Narrow and near-term...like tomorrow, you lurch from one calamity to the next carrying the rest of us on your personal roller-coaster.

Fact is this insurgency has no traction without sanctuary. Nope. For all the massive, myriad, and infantile mistakes by ISAF subsequent, they become moot had al Qaeda and the taliban been denied sanctuary in Pakistan.

Nowhere to run or hide, it's the "last stand at the O.K. corral" for those boys. Not so, though, and we lost sight of the ball when they re-emerged in 2006.

What's also lost, though, is-however mismanaged, the largesse of many is directed to the IMPROVEMENT of the afghan people-somehow hoping that this archaic society can be lifted forth somewhere near the twentieth century, if not the twenty-first.

Sure could have used your help by doing the right thing and applying the concept of "sovereignty" as it was intended-uniformly to all comers. Stay off our lands.

Well, stud, as dim or obtuse as you appear to be, that nicely sums up drone attacks. Your lands cannot be used to promote attacks on the people of Afghanistan and ISAF without holding those within them responsible. If you won't do anything about it, we must...

...and do to the best of our ability.

Even without this insurgency, raising forth Afghanistan to some modicum of self-sustaining competency promised to be long and hard. It needed (and still does) the goodwill and help of EVERYBODY.

No chance with Pakistan as a "neighbor", though.

You self-interested, obsessive, conspiratorially-minded loons just can't get over your inferiority complex with India. Funny enough, Pakistan doesn't seem too interested in reaching their level of economic performance. You seem far more pre-occupied with how you can drag them back to YOUR level.

Too bad as you really can't afford the big, fat army you have and have more pressing needs in the absence of an overt threat from India. And it IS absent. You've got NOTHING they want. Nada. Least of all terrorists.

I'm sure they'd be happy if you just moved on with your lives. They've bigger fish to fry. Unfortunately, your military appears to need a ready bogey-man to perpetuate it's injustifiable budget. In that small thought lies the germ of all of this trouble.

Now THAT would be narrow and self-serving. Let's hope that never, ever proves the case but...

...the proof shall only be in the pudding, so to speak.

JMHO but a few, small thoughts to mull as an alternative perspective.

Thanks, irhabi sympathizer. All of mankind seems to have a beef with these guys...

...but you. That said, I don't see how you can be construed as anything else but a sympathizer. If so, you are an enemy of Afghanistan, Europe, Canada, Australia/New Zealand, and America.

Please let me know if my perspective is incorrect and why.
 
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"Al Qaeda and Mullah omer never treathen us but few infedels indeed, why we make them our enemy , their war is not even with US,UK,NATO citizens..."

You might be killed on the streets of Madrid, NYC, Washington D.C., Nairobi, Dar-es-Salaam, or London for such nonsense. Who was that dying in those attacks by Al Qaeda in those cities if they weren't simple CITIZENS?

Only an irhabi sympathizer could think such.

Admit that it is your ambition to see a taliban government in Afghanistan. State that you are perfectly happy to provide sanctuary on Pakistani lands to a defeated afghan taliban army and it's government. Make clear that you disagree with the objectives of the U.N. in Afghanistan and it's mandated forces-ISAF.

Sovereignty? You have none nor does it appear that you, Fundamentalist, even understand the rights and RESPONSIBILITIES associated with such.

You complain about drones but contenance the sanctuary of a foreign gov't and it's army. Two-faced duplicity.

Just that simple as the concept of sovereignty doesn't allow for it's selective application. When you sleep with dogs, you get fleas. That is the consequence.

When you openly associate, and worse, abet the ambitions of an illegal foreign gov't living in surreptitious sanctuary on your lands to further their ends in a neighboring nation, you should suffer all the consequences of such heinous behavior.

You guys really imagine that the rest of us don't get what you're up to. What's funny is that we DO GET IT and are desperately trying to save you from yourselves despite yourselves.

Oddly, were your ambitions achieved by the return of the afghan taliban to power under Pakistani "mentorship"- and with them their friends Al Qaeda, the FIRST country on their "to do" list is Pakistan.

Plain as day.

Oh, all the rest of us shall suffer too. Deservingly so for failing to see through our objectives in a war nobody can really afford to lose. Lose we shall, at least Pakistan, if Afghanistan falls to the taliban.

Pakistan, so desperate to maintain itself, clearly doesn't see the forest for the trees. Narrow and near-term...like tomorrow, you lurch from one calamity to the next carrying the rest of us on your personal roller-coaster.

Fact is this insurgency has no traction without sanctuary. Nope. For all the massive, myriad, and infantile mistakes by ISAF subsequent, they become moot had al Qaeda and the taliban been denied sanctuary in Pakistan.

Nowhere to run or hide, it's the "last stand at the O.K. corral" for those boys. Not so, though, and we lost sight of the ball when they re-emerged in 2006.

What's also lost, though, is-however mismanaged, the largesse of many is directed to the IMPROVEMENT of the afghan people-somehow hoping that this archaic society can be lifted forth somewhere near the twentieth century, if not the twenty-first.

Sure could have used your help by doing the right thing and applying the concept of "sovereignty" as it was intended-uniformly to all comers. Stay off our lands.

Well, stud, as dim or obtuse as you appear to be, that nicely sums up drone attacks. Your lands cannot be used to promote attacks on the people of Afghanistan and ISAF without holding those within them responsible. If you won't do anything about it, we must...

...and do to the best of our ability.

Even without this insurgency, raising forth Afghanistan to some modicum of self-sustaining competency promised to be long and hard. It needed (and still does) the goodwill and help of EVERYBODY.

No chance with Pakistan as a "neighbor", though.

You self-interested, obsessive, conspiratorially-minded loons just can't get over your inferiority complex with India. Funny enough, Pakistan doesn't seem too interested in reaching their level of economic performance. You seem far more pre-occupied with how you can drag them back to YOUR level.

Too bad as you really can't afford the big, fat army you have and have more pressing needs in the absence of an overt threat from India. And it IS absent. You've got NOTHING they want. Nada. Least of all terrorists.

I'm sure they'd be happy if you just moved on with your lives. They've bigger fish to fry. Unfortunately, your military appears to need a ready bogey-man to perpetuate it's injustifiable budget. In that small thought lies the germ of all of this trouble.

Now THAT would be narrow and self-serving. Let's hope that never, ever proves the case but...

...the proof shall only be in the pudding, so to speak.

JMHO but a few, small thoughts to mull as an alternative perspective.

Thanks, irhabi sympathizer. All of mankind seems to have a beef with these guys...

...but you. That said, I don't see how you can be construed as anything else but a sympathizer. If so, you are an enemy of Afghanistan, Europe, Canada, Australia/New Zealand, and America.

Please let me know if my perspective is incorrect and why.

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What you mean by " irhabi " is it wahabi ? no come on -- i am against any type of extremisim, either from israel in Gaza or from TTP in SWAT or from US/ISAF in Afghanistan.

WAR never be a long term solution, US war is with OBL but Mullah Omer is not US enemy never attacked any US asset in any part of world except Afghanistan which is justified by international law because no independent nation allow invasion.

Still US has time they can deal with Afghan Talaban and win their support.

But your war with OBL will never end untill unless Palestine dispute will be resolved and hajaz land completely liberated from Israel including mosques Aqsa.

Choice is yours:enjoy:
 
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My source for this is as indicated in the link- WSJ (Wall Street Journal). Type in the title and WSJ to google and it will likely be the first or second hit.

It would have been better if you had provided with a netural link other then posting from wall street journal which is known for its bias reporting when it comes to Pakistan.


WRT you? Simply that your work is far from done in SWAT/Buner and your comment about what the Brits have accepted is irrelevant to the facts on the ground.

Things are often said publically it be a "team player". "Defeating" the taliban seems certainly to be true and that's laudable. Still, it will be some time before your citizens feel secure.

Afterall, it seems you missed the portion of the article indicating three OTHER beheadings in the Mingora area last week. Mr. Zada's makes four.

Nice that they killed four of the alleged kidnappers within hours but it sadly helped Mr. Zada not at all.

The area is still immensely hazardous. Let us remember, also, that with a seven month head-start, Bajaur remains uncleared and the Bajauri IDPs remain unsettled.

Nearly a full year for them.

Hold the self-congratulatory applause.

It's called a "long war" for a reason and so this shall be.

Hope your people have the stamina because you've not seen anything yet.

Educational institutions re-opened in Swat
Updated at: 1125 PST, Saturday, August 01, 2009
SWAT: All private and government educational institutions have re-opened in Swat on Saturday.

NWFP education department has issued directives to employees and teachers to join their duties from August 1.

There are 6,034 government schools in Malakand Agency including Swat in which 950,000 students are enrolled.

Militants had destroyed more than 250 schools partially or completely in Swat

Geo TV Pakistan - Breaking News, World, Business, Sports, Entertainment, & Video News

Far from being done but not that far as you like to portray.
 
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"It would have been better if you had provided with a netural link other then posting from wall street journal which is known for its bias reporting when it comes to Pakistan."

Hmmm...

...so four guys weren't beheaded last week, eh?

Shooting the messenger doesn't mean squat. Why couldn't Richard Holbrooke visit SWAT again on his most recent trip. Your military couldn't guarantee his "safety".

Uh huh.

Oh! I don't know what the WSJ thinks about Pakistan but, in general, just because somebody hates you doesn't mean that they're wrong to do so.:agree:
 
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"It would have been better if you had provided with a netural link other then posting from wall street journal which is known for its bias reporting when it comes to Pakistan."

Hmmm...

...so four guys weren't beheaded last week, eh?

Shooting the messenger doesn't mean squat. Why couldn't Richard Holbrooke visit SWAT again on his most recent trip. Your military couldn't guarantee his "safety".
Is this anything like the British army refusing to take their PM Brown to forward bases in Afghanistan due to "lack of helicopters"?
 
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"It would have been better if you had provided with a netural link other then posting from wall street journal which is known for its bias reporting when it comes to Pakistan."

Hmmm...

...so four guys weren't beheaded last week, eh?

Shooting the messenger doesn't mean squat. Why couldn't Richard Holbrooke visit SWAT again on his most recent trip. Your military couldn't guarantee his "safety".

Uh huh.

Oh! I don't know what the WSJ thinks about Pakistan but, in general, just because somebody hates you doesn't mean that they're wrong to do so.:agree:

The highlighted part says it all, i dont think i need to add more to it since hate has consumed so much of it that logic does not even stand a chance.
Carry on with the hate.:tup:
 
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"It would have been better if you had provided with a netural link other then posting from wall street journal which is known for its bias reporting when it comes to Pakistan."

Hmmm...

...so four guys weren't beheaded last week, eh?

By putting putting a small amount of bull5hit into a factual report is what makes seem true.



Shooting the messenger doesn't mean squat. Why couldn't Richard Holbrooke visit SWAT again on his most recent trip. Your military couldn't guarantee his "safety".

Uh huh.

Dont think so.....no guided tours this time and no "presidential protocol".

Oh! I don't know what the WSJ thinks about Pakistan but, in general, just because somebody hates you doesn't mean that they're wrong to do so.:agree:

Just as long you agree the same when in comes to the iranian-north- korean press.
 
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