Why Kerala has no beef with beef.

[Wine&Steak]

LOL. Who ran the hostel management ? the Hindu students or the Minority Religious leaders ?

This was started in the time of the british and later it was the communist. Hindus never had a chance to protest.
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if this was true, you protest by not eating beef, and not by eating it. No one was force fed beef.
How come this did not work in christian institutions in North ? Logically this means, beef was there in Christian hostels because hindus liked it too. Let other Nair's here contradict my logic.

you paint the picture of kerala Hindus as totally subservient and powerless, wrt beef. They are Asuras just like Kerala Christians and Muslims, rest of the world. Enjoy the ride.

 

[Bitter Melon]

Problem is except babul supriyo they don't have any other real popular face in Bengal. Also they lack organizational structure. Even being the main opposition in coming elections will require serious ground work

That is not really an answer. Is Mamata Banerjee popular? Is Derek O'Brien popular? So even with them being unpopular, they get elected, but Bengalis reject BJP just for not having popular face?

 

[magudi]

That is right.. but related to beef, I am sure there will be communal violence if they ban it. That's why jyoti Basu, allowed muslims to eat beef and hindus their own practices in the name of communism and ruled 30 years.

15% bjp cadres in Bengal are Muslims. And about national ban - PMO is just seeking a model bill that'll be sent to all states - those who wish to enact it can do so, others can ignore it. Such model bills on various issues are framed by centre sent to States time and again so this is nothing new or at least that's what I understand.

 

[dray]

Stop claiming to be one in public, especially when debating on Hinduism. No one cares what happens in your private personal life. Especially when you have no intention of defending it or even knowing what it stands for.

Again, you don't get to dictate it, nobody can. In any case you won't find me fanatically promoting my religious identity. Btw, forcing others to follow my religious preferences is not 'defending' my religion, it is 'intolerance'.

No, it does not.

Because it suits you.

If the state won't protect, it has not choice. In Mahabharata the king who was supposed to dispense justice did not do it. His name was Didhrasthra, the blind king. Lord Krisha told Arjuna to attack and kill them all.

If the blind politicians of today do not protect Dharma, we have no choice but to follow lord Krishna's teaching.

End of the day to suffer Adharma in silence is more sinful than to wage a war in the defence of Dharma.

Some other groups follow the same principals against their state policies, Taliban/TTP, Jamatis, Boko Haram, etc.

And don't misinterpret Lord Krishna's teachings. VHP and Bajrangi goons are not the best examples of Hindus.

Any stats to support this?

BJP got clear majority with 31% votes.
Congress could not even secure Opposition Leader's post with 20% votes.

Now, from that 31% votes deduct :

1. Non-Hindutva Hindu votes.
2. Other minority votes.
3. Modi charishma votes.
4. 'Fcuk Congress' votes.
5. 'Save India from Rahul' votes.

What BJP will be left with won't secure them anything more than what they got for most part of the history of Indian parliament. BJP came to power twice in its entire history, and both the time they were assisted by the 1. spectacular failure of the ruling government, 2. leadership crisis in the opposition camp, and 3. personal charisma of couple of BJP leaders, Vajpayeeji and Narendra Modi. RSS never own any election for BJP, so they should stop riding on the back of BJP as free-loaders. If RSS wants to dictate terms for the government, they should contest the election and win it on their own first instead of claiming others victory as theirs.

True. There is no way to be 'Not a Hindu'. Beef eaters are also Hindu. Of course they will be A class hypocrites (because gau mata mantras are central to any yagna or many pujas) but then so am I(for other reasons).

Again, you are trying to decide who are true Hindus and who are not. You don't get to do that in Hinduism. In many parts of India a puja of shakti won't be complete without sacrifice of a buffalo or goat and distributing its meat as prasad, while some Hindus in other parts of the country are vegetarians. Further, a cow might get certain importance in Hinduism, but bulls, bullocks and buffaloes don't have such privileges, gau pitas are not so lucky, they are not even 'gau's, only females of their species get that status. So why ban the slaughter of bulls and bullocks?

1. Who said I belong to the Sangh? Sangh by the way believes in banning cow slaughter.
2. Nope. It is not fixed. It is by birth. Then there is falling out of it. Sure as of now no one decides it, but we are moving towards a society where cow eating will be a crime. Not much different, is it?
3. I represent the larger group of Hindus who support cow ban. You are representative of a very tiny minority of Hindus who support beef eating.

Yes, we are well aware of it, but then everything in Congress rule was corrupt. With police and even BSF connivance it was everything goes rule. We are here to change it.

1. Sangh is not the authority of Hinduism.
2. By birth means it is fixed, you don't get to change your caste at whims.
3. With 31% of the votes which includes votes of non-Hindutvas and non-Hindus, you are certainly not the 'larger group of Hindus'.
4. Just because I don't eat beef, I don't get the right to prevent others from eating it.

On the contrary. The core support has been from the Hindu vote bank that got consolidated this time. BJP has no choice but to satisfy at least some of the pro Hindu ideas in their manifesto.

BJP might have big numbers today, but the ground is slippery, a mere 4%-5% change of votes can change fortunes drastically.

The beef issue itself can be put on a referendum - in the poorest of villages included. I will gladly accept the verdict and shall forever keep my calm.

Why referendum? You put 'right to female foeticide' on a referendum and you might end up getting an affirmative result, you never know. Justice and rule of law is not about satisfying only the majority group's demands. I say, let RSS contest the election on its own and win it, I will accept the verdict, gladly or otherwise.

Maharashtra is pretty happy with the cow ban. Congress is as good as dead. So who is going to take on BJP? Your Mamata Banerjee? So not winning elections in WB and Kerala will kill BJP?

Was it the last & final election in Maharashtra?

 

[SQ8]

I don't believe that, but that is what my argument is with the muslims. That he became Paigambar after meditating not reading Quran. But What they have as an interpretation is just '' chosen one''

Let me rephrase that statement for you. Prophet Mohammad was a Prophet because of him being chosen and the Quran came to HIM because of this. Essentially god used him as a conduit to deliver the message and NOT because he was saying the right things(Quran) that he became a messenger.

While that is correct, his becoming who he was had both to do with his meditation and a unique characteristic to his humanity. To simplify the various concepts of theology and metaphysics that go in there:
His soul was engineered to be the best.. various interpretations of how this comes to be(or not) exist; I take it from the PoV of my education with emphasis on computing... so essentially if we take all of us to be AI.. our software and his were different. And while the debate will continue on God and Prophets, I take my faith from the underlying fact that if I am created, then the creator/programmer/designer also knows my system best.. or this entire simulation best.
The Prophet was not just chosen, he was placed there. Much like an iterative loop counting down to an event, he was bound to happen. So while the universe is still "free".. it is not. And this whole search that humanity has for a creator or lord has to do with our own futility in trying to create the spark of life. Not Dolly the sheep.. not taking an egg of one and engineered sperm to put in a womb.. but to create a being unlike any other and then spark it to life. That we have not achieved and that is the part of life that fascinates and scares us the most at the end.

 

[magudi]

That is not really an answer. Is Mamata Banerjee popular? Is Derek O'Brien popular? So even with them being unpopular, they get elected, but Bengalis reject BJP just for not having an unpopular face?

Yes she was and still is pretty popular in rural Bengal from what i understand. Don't know much about derek. The left ruled through goonda giri and tmc is employing the same now. In fact not just these two even bjp is not averse to goonda giri because that's what it takes to survive in Bengal.

 

[dray]

Bhagwat Gita , there Lord Krishna clearly prohibits it. Enough for us.

Prohibits what? How does it matter to those who don't follow him?

 

[Levina]

I was explaining democracy to you by that example. Except for some Shias, minorities did not vote for BJP. Secular votes got divided.

Can you produce any proof to the stats that you've posted?

Farmers are definitely not commiting suicide because the cows eat the straw. Old cow does not cost anything to the farmer.

Did I not mention Rs 6000/-

It still shits, does it not. The dung is used as fuel in most village homes even now. Also as manure. That itself is worth enough to keep it alive.

And how much does a cow dung cake fetch 'em? Rs 1.50??
They 'll be able to build an empire with it. isnt it?? Lol

What are unseasnonal rains and destroyed crops to do with beef?

I was talking about Govt's inefficiency.

The farmers do not feed the cattle rice and chapati and chicken for you to be so distraught about it. India is naturally endowed with abundance of vegetation, both weeds, grass, shrubs. The cows are self sufficient.

Wrong again!
The distribution of vegetation varies from place to place in India.
But the real issue of farmers from Vidarbha is mismatch between crop and rainfall time-tables, its the poor irrigation and power supply which leads to severe drought. I expect govt to do something about this rather than banning beef which would serve not mitigate the effects of drought.

Because this is India and India has a special place for Cows.

where??
On the roads??

If you would have read the link I gave you earlier on you would know people died of starvation in famines but did not kill their cows. That is how much important the cows are for a Hindu. I mean a normal Hindu. Not the commie Chrislamist Hindu.

Normal hindu believes in humanity, believes in respecting other religions and believes in Sanatana Dharma, that which represents a code of conduct and a value system, and that which has spiritual freedom as its core. Any pathway or spiritual vision that accepts the spiritual freedom of others is considered part of Sanatana Dharma.
unfortunately some imbecile who claim to be torch bearers of hinduism 're nothing but killing the true spirit of hinduism with their nefarious activities, this nothing but pernicious to my religion, Hinduism.

Nope. In general Hindus refuse to sell the cows to Muslims and others. It is only some commie HIndus who become middlemen and obtain the cows from the farmers. Otherwise, Indian farmer will fight tooth and nail to save the cow. Do you hear any rumblings on cow ban in Maharashtra? Any protests by farmers? The only ones protesting here are Chrislamist mallus. No one else.

Lolzz
Those farmers had stopped protesting long back, as their calls for help were falling on deaf ears. Now they immolate themselves with the subsidized kerosene they get from the government.

I also believed the same. But cowards like us won't get what he would be saying anyway.

Oh!
Coward like us?
Talk for yourself Mr. Sarthak Ganguly (for whatever reason you picked up your professor's name).
And if HE ...that guy's words 're the touchstone for hindus then i know which way our religion is headed. Some ppl love putting on blinders!!!

lev - Why are you lying and trolling deliberately? I told you before what the Supreme Court stated. Picking what suits your fancy from the middle is lame.

You cherry picked whatever you liked and so did i.
So who's trolling here???
Btw You've not told me why you 'd tagged me on the thread about Avijit Roy?
Next time don't tag me without a reason, I'm waiting for your answer on that thread.

 

[Bitter Melon]

1. Non-Hindutva Hindu votes.
2. Other minority votes.
3. Modi charishma votes.
4. 'Fcuk Congress' votes.
5. 'Save India from Rahul' votes.

What makes you think 3, 4, 5, are anti-Hindutva? They are not beef eaters or seculars either. They were at best "do not know anyone else but congress" type.

1. Sangh is not the authority of Hinduism.
2. By birth means it is fixed, you don't get to change your caste at whims.
3. With 31% of the votes which includes votes of non-Hindutvas and non-Hindus, you are certainly not the 'larger group of Hindus'.
4. Just because I don't eat beef, I don't get the right to prevent others from eating it.

1. Sangh is not authority on Hinduism but everyone who is authority on Hinduism agrees Cow slaughter is the gravest sin.
2. Nope. It is not fixed. There is falling from the grace too. That is how untouchables were born, unless you are trying to re-write history.
3. A very tiny miniscule non-Hindu votes. Rest are all pretty much HIndutva votes going by the swelling crowd of Hindutva supporters and BJP supporters. It has gained far more backers than attackers in the last few months. Barring Delhi, it has won everywhere else. Even in Delhi it did not lose its vote share. After Delhi, Assam, Madhya Pradesh, and Punjab local votes proved is popularity intact even with all its so called fringe elements voices.
4. I get the right to stop beef eating in my country because my constitution allows me that right. Hindutva is the identity of this country and the cow will be respected. If that leads to a civil war, so be it.

 

[magudi]

Funny how people don't realize that even if the thread turns 100 pages of rant nobody will be able to convince anybody that their viewpoint is skewed

 

[Levina]

Sure, no problem - he'll respond on the other thread if he wants to.

Now, to re-rail this thread, how about a discussion on beefs with beef?

Care to elaborate? ''Communism'' in what sense? Did people stop being Hindus altogether or just relaxed some of the restrictions/beliefs of Hinduism?

Tank man
If you were to take words of few pseudo torch bearers of hinduism as the touchstone, then be assured you 'll be completely mislead. "Communism in hindus of kerala" is a taunt used by such ppl. Kerala is the most literate state of India and ergo the ppl here 're not easily fooled.
All this has nothing to do with communism, it is a very well known (and documented fact) that hindus ate meat from time immemorial. The warrior class or the Kashtriyas had to eat meat as meat when consumed, produced more energy and ergo strength (I'm sure you know about this). Interestingly enough the brahman class in some areas of India also ate meat.
But hinduism as we know is a very adaptive religion (and thats the reason its has survived for so long, and is also considered as one of the oldest religion in the world today) so as Buddhism and Jainism spread in India a lot of ppl changed their dietary habits. But with the surge of Brahmanical philosophers like Adi Shankara, along with Madhvacharya and Ramanuja (three leaderswho revived Brahmanical philosophy), Buddhism started to fade out rapidly from the landscape of India. But the dietary habits continued.

. It is rare to see a new temple built in Kerala in the last 60 years. While in the same time hundreds of thousands of churches and mosques have come up.

Completely made up story!!!
Have you ever been to kerala?
Every nook and corner has a temple/church or a mosque. Infact in recent times so many tiny temples have cropped up that I was wondering why almost every house has a temple of its own??

 

[Bitter Melon]

Why referendum? You put 'right to female foeticide' on a referendum and you might end up getting an affirmative result, you never know. Justice and rule of law is not about satisfying only the majority group's demands. I say, let RSS contest the election on its own and win it, I will accept the verdict, gladly or otherwise.

There comes the anti-Hindu mindset. Already decided all Hindus want to kill their girl child, huh? I say carry on a referendum on female foeticide and the result will be a big No. RSS never canvassed for any party so much as it did for BJP this time around. BJP is in power because of RSS. Even Modi was selected because of RSS. If RSS had said no, there is no way in hell BJP would have chosen Modi.

 

[Wine&Steak]

Now the Tamil Nadu "Asuras" are also joining Pro-beef eating protest with their Kerala "Asuras". . Don't get me wrong, most Tamils don't eat beef, but Tamils do not play hard wrt beef. They are liberal in their thinking in this, but if you touch their language, you will burn.


I just googled these.

Lawyers distribute beef on Madras High Court campus  - The Hindu


Coimbatore: Protesters dine on 'beef biryani' to protest Maharashtra ban | Zee News

Dravidar Kazhagam Cites Vivekananda to Justify Criticism of Beef Ban -The New Indian Express

 

[Bitter Melon]

Yes she was and still is pretty popular in rural Bengal from what i understand. Don't know much about derek. The left ruled through goonda giri and tmc is employing the same now. In fact not just these two even bjp is not averse to goonda giri because that's what it takes to survive in Bengal.

People could just have common sense and vote for BJP just because they have tried everything else.

Can you produce any proof to the stats that you've posted?

No, that was the deduction of all psephologists. Muslims as can be seen in Kashmir elections have never and will never vote for BJP. In Mangalore, BJP workers were barred from entering Christian societies. So, no. Minorities will never vote for BJP.

Did I not mention Rs 6000/-

No it does not cost the poor farmer 6000. Are you saying that is the money he will get if he was to agree to kill it? If once killed and eaten, will he become rich for a lifetime?

And how much does a cow dung cake fetch 'em? Rs 1.50??
They 'll be able to build an empire with it. isnt it?? Lol

Considering a cow shits a lot, there are many cakes that can be made from that dung. So plenty of Rs. 1.50 everyday should make up for a nice amount to spend. Not to say how much money it saves on fertilizers.

Wrong again!
The distribution of vegetation varies from place to place in India.
But the real issue of farmers from Vidarbha is mismatch between crop and rainfall time-tables, its the poor irrigation and power supply which leads to severe drought. I expect govt to do something about this rather than banning beef which would serve not mitigate the effects of drought.

Not related. It is not an either/or situation there. A govt is elected for multitasking. Also Indian cows are very hardy and can survive droughts very well.

where??
On the roads??

In its farms, fields, houses, roads. Everywhere a human is supposed to be, so can a cow be. It is not man's earth alone. The animals have equal rights.

Normal hindu believes in humanity, believes in respecting other religions and believes in Sanatana Dharma, that which represents a code of conduct and a value system, and that which has spiritual freedom as its core. Any pathway or spiritual vision that accepts the spiritual freedom of others is considered part of Sanatana Dharma.
unfortunately some imbecile who claim to be torch bearers of hinduism 're nothing but killing the true spirit of hinduism with their nefarious activities, this nothing but pernicious to my religion, Hinduism.

Then you know nothing about Hindu history. Hindu has killed and been killed to protect cows throughout history and hence even the Islamic kings had to declare cow slaughter illegal in India. Rest of your commie gobbledygook is better saved for fellow commies.

Lolzz
Those farmers had stopped protesting long back, as their calls for help were falling on deaf ears. Now they immolate themselves with the subsidized kerosene they get from the government.

Right. All farmers have immolated themselves because of ban on beef and as of now Vidharba is bereft of farmers. The level of lies commies will belch out gets unbelievable day by day.

If you were to take words of few pseudo torch bearers of hinduism as the touchstone, then be assured you 'll be completely mislead. "Communism in hindus of kerala" is a taunt used by such ppl. Kerala is the most literate state of India and ergo the ppl here 're not easily fooled.
All this has nothing to do with communism, it is a very well known (and documented fact) that hindus ate meat from time immemorial. The warrior class or the Kashtriyas had to eat meat as meat when consumed, produced more energy and ergo strength (I'm sure you know about this). Interestingly enough the brahman class in some areas of India also ate meat.
But hinduism as we know is a very adaptive religion (and thats the reason its has survived for so long, and is also considered as one of the oldest religion in the world today) so as Buddhism and Jainism spread in India a lot of ppl changed their dietary habits. But with the surge of Brahmanical philosophers like Adi Shankara, along with Madhvacharya and Ramanuja (three leaderswho revived Brahmanical philosophy), Buddhism started to fade out rapidly from the landscape of India. But the dietary habits continued.

The rationalizations you have to go through to support your conscience from feeling guilty is amazing. Meat =/= beef. We are arguing about Beef in this topic, not meat. No one here is protesting buffalo, sheep, or goat meat. You do realize those other animals flesh is also called meat right?

 

[Levina]

People could just have common sense and vote for BJP just because they have tried everything else.

So you can't prove that minorities have not voted for BJP??

No, that was the deduction of all psephologists. Muslims as can be seen in Kashmir elections have never and will never vote for BJP. In Mangalore, BJP workers were barred from entering Christian societies. So, no. Minorities will never vote for BJP.

Ha- Ha- Ha
"Good morning", has it not dawned on you yet that BJP has a muslim wing??? do you know that or were you caught completely unaware???
BJP has many muslim leaders too. You must be aware that Shazia Ilmi recently joined BJP but did you know that her brothers 've been members of BJP for long???

No it does not cost the poor farmer 6000.

Prove it!!!

Are you saying that is the money he will get if he was to agree to kill it? If once killed and eaten, will he become rich for a lifetime?

Rs 6000 per animal is amount of money that a farmer will have to shell out. Kapish??

Considering a cow shits a lot, there are many cakes that can be made from that dung. So plenty of Rs. 1.50 everyday should make up for a nice amount to spend. Not to say how much money it saves on fertilizers.

Do your calculations again!!!
How many cow dung cakes per day? And how much would it fetch the farmer???

Also Indian cows are very hardy and can survive droughts very well.

Then why dothe farmers of drought hit areas use very less cattle???

In its farms, fields, houses, roads. Everywhere a human is supposed to be, so can a cow be. It is not man's earth alone. The animals have equal rights.

don't beat around the bush!!!
Does the govt have any suggestions about how an old cow is to be taken care of by the farmer?? or should he just abandon 'em in some far away places??

Then you know nothing about Hindu history. Hindu has killed and been killed to protect cows throughout history and hence even the Islamic kings had to declare cow slaughter illegal in India. Rest of your commie gobbledygook is better saved for fellow commies.

bowdown to Mr. Know-it-all!!!
And so you've learnt a new word "commie", you can practice that word a 100 hundred times on a rough notebook instead of typing it here on the forrum, because it is not just out of context but also makes you look like an imbecile. JMHO!!!

Right. All farmers have immolated themselves because of ban on beef and as of now Vidharba is bereft of farmers. The level of lies commies will belch out gets unbelievable day by day.

So you know nothing about the farmers, just as I had assumed. Now I should not be surprised why you put the cart before the horse??
I guess am banging my head against a wall.

Bye for now

May sanity prevail !!!