Why India's choosing US side to contain China is an epic mistake

[Prometheus]

You are brainwashed. Hongkong basic law has security law(Article 23). This law is supposed to be passed by HK legislature after 1997. But HK refused to pass it. It was HKers who broke their promise. Not China.

poor HKers are getting punished by Communists for standing up for themsleves?? Please go throu the history of Communist China, broken promises will be seen all around.

 

[kankan326]

India will never want to cooperate simply as they cannot mentally accept playing second fiddle to China.

Indians believe (very incorrectly) that they have superpower calibre and so it suits them to join with US to gag up against China and bring them down.

Indians have a slave mentality to white people, they are happy to serve under americans because in their heads white people are superior and should be followed.

China's economy is 5 times larger than Inida. Indians still believe India and China are at the same level and China is the one India can compete with. They need to face the reality.

 

[PradoTLC]

. Surely all slaves would rejoice and happily accept going to a place of freedom right?

these indians are so desperate for jobs in muslim GCC ... forget what ever they tell you on PDF.. i see them here first hand in GCC.

They are one pathetic people....

 

[not_two]

First of all, I need to make it clear that India is completely responsible for the recent China-India tensions. After Trump visited India in February, Modi had already made up his mind to join in anti China coalition. From April India army broke the status quo at LAC to build roads and bridges there.

Back to the topic. The best choice for India is, sitting on the fence(plan A). Keeping same distance between China and US. Good choice is joining on China’s side(plan B). Worst choice is Joining on US side(plan C).

1, Why is plan A the best choice? It will guarantee India to make profit from both sides. Both sides are willing to offer bribes to India. After joining in US side, India has lost its strategic flexibility. China of course will become its enemy. For US, it doesn’t have to please India because India has no way back. Before the day India decided to side with US, India was the boss. After, US was the boss.

2, Why plan B is better than plan C? 1) If India joins in China side, its position in the ally will be one of the leader countries. May be next to China. On US side however, India will be one of pawn countries like Australia, Canada, Japan. Maybe even worse. 2) China can help India more than US does. First, China has more free money than US to invest. Second, India’s economic structure is too different than US’. China’s technology transfer is more suitable for India’s industry demands. China is good at infrastructure, energy, electronics, labor-intensive industries. US is good at semiconductors, aircraft, high tech products. US is neither suitable for India’s development phase nor willing to transfer it technologies to India or other counties. The China-US trade war has proven that. 3) China is India’s neighbour. US is too far away. China can help India more, also can hurt India more. I mean much much more.

Modi is not a smart leader. He may want to become Indian version Deng Xiaoping. Who joined in US side during cold war and started a war with China’s neighbour Vietnam, Which demonstrated to the world that China was on US board. And China gained a huge reward by that. But things are different this time.

1, Soviet Union was barely a big economic power. It was an energy and materials supplier. And it’s a declining super power. Leaving it would not cause serious loss. Now, US is the declining super power and China is the biggest and growing industry country.

2, Boycotting Chinese products set a glass ceiling for India’s future development. India can boycott Chinese products because it is an importer. But if Indians have a wider and longer view, they should know China is the world biggest market and will be the biggest technologies transfer source. Giving up China is equal to giving up India’s future. “No China” is okay for present India, but not okay if India wants to upgrade its industry structure. The higher India’s development stage is, the harder the glass ceiling will be.

3, China will not collapse like Soviet Union did. China is way stronger than Soviet Union. Western countries have huge interests in China. Chinese leaders are much smarter than Soviet Union’s leaders. Compared with Russians, Chinese are much hardworking and good at science and economic activities. China will haunt India forever.

You must be glad that we did mistake as you always enjoy ...Now enjoy this music of mistake ...

 

[Figaro]

China's economy is 5 times larger than Inida. Indians still believe India and China are in the same level and China is the one India can compete with. They need to face the reality.

Forget about competing with other countries, it needs to first focus on developing itself. How can you race other professional runners when you have not even mastered how to walk?

 

[Feng Leng]

Wrong. There is no mistake. Not all human beings are one family. India and China are two completely different species. It is natural for Indians to hate China and vice versa. In the end, one species must completely annihilate the other species.

 

[kankan326]

You must be glad that we did mistake as you always enjoy ...Now enjoy this music of mistake ...

Why would I be glad for a US win?

 

[PradoTLC]

China's economy is 5 times larger than Inida. Indians still believe India and China are in the same level and China is the one India can compete with. They need to face the reality.

They believe that as the west pumps up india with this false narrative... to them India is the blue eye boy.
e.g. India believes it can counter Chinese manufacturing... yet in reality India's manufacturing for example is less developed than Brazils..

The other reason is ignorance on part of the indians. My general impression indians dont even understand 30% of Pakistan correctly, so i can imagine they probably have even less accurate understanding of China.

1) China is not a superpower and US is.
2) India is still friend with Russia , even with cozy relations with US
3) Joining China , as per Communist Chinese Govt. is giving away Arunachal and parts of Ladakh .........along with literally giving free hand to bully small nation of Bhutan.
4) Pakistan joined China , not as equal . ............India is not like Pakistan.
5) Claiming China as world's largest market is just plain idiotic . Communist Govt. does not provide excess to its market.........what biggest market? examples are of Indian Pharma companies still not getting excess to Chinese market. and even on global level , companies like google and facebook are not allowed in China......so please insdead of claiming China as largest market .....claim it as Largest locked market.
6) every Totalitarian regimes have fallen in the past , and they will continue to fall in the future......Democracy is the future.

7) World can loose interest in China or any other country if it is perceived as a rough state.........and whole world unites against them. example is of Nazi germany.........literally whole of europe had trade/commercial interest in it..........so where is nazi germany now???

what an ignorant cartoon you are....

read and weep on your so called "democracy".... .





The parliamentary system we borrowed from the British has not worked in Indian conditions. It is time to demand a change,” writes Shashi Tharoor of the Indian National Congress.

“The facts are clear: Our parliamentary system has created a unique breed of legislator, largely unqualified to legislate, who has sought election only in order to wield executive power. It has produced governments dependent on a fickle legislative majority, who are therefore obliged to focus more on politics than on policy or performance. It has distorted the voting preferences of an electorate that knows which individuals it wants to vote for but not necessarily which parties. It has spawned parties that are shifting alliances of selfish individual interests, not vehicles of coherent sets of ideas. It has forced governments to concentrate less on governing than on staying in office, and obliged them to cater to the lowest common denominator of their coalitions,” writes Tharoor and concludes “the parliamentary system has failed us”.


https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/shashi-tharoor-presidential-system-parliament-6522482/

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Aa a consequence of being a loyal American Poodle, India has surrendered Galwan Valley.

 

[Prometheus]

what an ignorant cartoon you are....

read the weep on your so called "democracy".... .

personal attacks are unwarranted . Please take mental health seriously.

 

[KeyBORED Warrior]

Well, its never really a 'choice' per se when it comes to siding with two major powers. In case of india, it was never about the 'benefits'/'rewards' but about the 'damages' it would/could sustain while 'choosing' its side.

Its more likely a 'business'/economic decision than a stratrgic one since its Ambani who calls the shots in india rather than modi/political leadership itself. Reliance winning the rights for 5G is a soild case in point.

In terms of the damages, the US is more likely to damage india's interests even without going to war with it directly. The huge indian expat community that lives and sends huge foreign remittances would have been the immediate casualty, that alone would have crippled the indian economy. Easier said than done offc but weirder things have happened in history before.

The Pakistan factor. This must have played a significant role as well in india's calculations. Pakistan and China are strategic partners, probably the strongest partnership there is in the world right now. How could india be friends with the strategic partner of its arch nemesis? It won't be surprising if they did try to break the Pak-China axis but failed. The common US/indian interest of trying to sabotage Cpec is also a 'minor' reason.

China itself. May be China didn't want to be closer to India as well who knows? And that probably played a decisive role in india's decision making.

In the end, only time will tell whether india's decision was a stroke of genius or a strategic AND historic blunder(which it apparently seems right now). Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[not_two]

Why would I be glad for a US win?

You should have thought about it long time before ..Now train has left the station and we are in opposite camp ..Now it is better to move forward rather than doing selective postmortem..

 

[nahtanbob]

First of all, I need to make it clear that India is completely responsible for the recent China-India tensions. After Trump visited India in February, Modi had already made up his mind to join in anti China coalition. From April India army broke the status quo at LAC to build roads and bridges there.

Back to the topic. The best choice for India is, sitting on the fence(plan A). Keeping same distance between China and US. Good choice is joining in China’s side(plan B). Worst choice is Joining in US side(plan C).

1, Why is plan A the best choice? It will guarantee India to make profit from both sides. Both sides are willing to offer bribes to India. After joining in US side, India has lost its strategic flexibility. China of course will become its enemy. For US, it doesn’t have to please India because India has no way back. Before the day India decided to side with US, India was the boss. After, US was the boss.

2, Why plan B is better than plan C? 1) If India joins in China side, its position in the ally will be one of the leader countries. May be next to China. On US side however, India will be one of pawn countries like Australia, Canada, Japan. Maybe even worse. 2) China can help India more than US does. First, China has more free money than US to invest. Second, India’s economic structure is too different than US’. China’s technology transfer is more suitable for India’s industry demands. China is good at infrastructure, energy, electronics, labor-intensive industries. US is good at semiconductors, aircraft, high tech products. US is neither suitable for India’s development phase nor willing to transfer it technologies to India or other counties. The China-US trade war has proven that. 3) China is India’s neighbour. US is too far away. China can help India more, also can hurt India more. I mean much much more.

Modi is not a smart leader. He may want to become Indian version Deng Xiaoping. Who joined in US side during cold war and started a war with China’s neighbour Vietnam, Which demonstrated to the world that China was on US board. And China gained a huge reward by that. But things are different this time.

1, Soviet Union was barely a big economic power. It was an energy and materials supplier. And it’s a declining super power. Leaving it would not cause serious loss. Now, US is the declining super power and China is the biggest and growing industry country.

2, Boycotting Chinese products set a glass ceiling for India’s future development. India can boycott Chinese products because it is an importer. But if Indians have a wider and longer view, they should know China is the world biggest market and will be the biggest technologies transfer source. Giving up China is equal to giving up India’s future. “No China” is okay for present India, but not okay if India wants to upgrade its industry structure. The higher India’s development stage is, the harder the glass ceiling will be.

3, China will not collapse like Soviet Union did. China is way stronger than Soviet Union. Western countries have huge interests in China. Chinese leaders are much smarter than Soviet Union’s leaders. Compared with Russians, Chinese are much hardworking and good at science and economic activities. China will haunt India forever.

American multinationals pump $100 billion in outsourcing revenues into Indian economy
Tell us what China has done for India
@kankan326

 

[Sharma Ji]

these indians are so desperate for jobs in muslim GCC ... forget what ever they tell you on PDF.. i see them here first hand in GCC.

They are one pathetic people....

most of them are Muslims

 

[PurpleButcher]

First of all, I need to make it clear that India is completely responsible for the recent China-India tensions. After Trump visited India in February, Modi had already made up his mind to join in anti China coalition. From April India army broke the status quo at LAC to build roads and bridges there.

Back to the topic. The best choice for India is, sitting on the fence(plan A). Keeping same distance between China and US. Good choice is joining in China’s side(plan B). Worst choice is Joining in US side(plan C).

1, Why is plan A the best choice? It will guarantee India to make profit from both sides. Both sides are willing to offer bribes to India. After joining in US side, India has lost its strategic flexibility. China of course will become its enemy. For US, it doesn’t have to please India because India has no way back. Before the day India decided to side with US, India was the boss. After, US was the boss.

2, Why plan B is better than plan C? 1) If India joins in China side, its position in the ally will be one of the leader countries. May be next to China. On US side however, India will be one of pawn countries like Australia, Canada, Japan. Maybe even worse. 2) China can help India more than US does. First, China has more free money than US to invest. Second, India’s economic structure is too different than US’. China’s technology transfer is more suitable for India’s industry demands. China is good at infrastructure, energy, electronics, labor-intensive industries. US is good at semiconductors, aircraft, high tech products. US is neither suitable for India’s development phase nor willing to transfer it technologies to India or other counties. The China-US trade war has proven that. 3) China is India’s neighbour. US is too far away. China can help India more, also can hurt India more. I mean much much more.

Modi is not a smart leader. He may want to become Indian version Deng Xiaoping. Who joined in US side during cold war and started a war with China’s neighbour Vietnam, Which demonstrated to the world that China was on US board. And China gained a huge reward by that. But things are different this time.

1, Soviet Union was barely a big economic power. It was an energy and materials supplier. And it’s a declining super power. Leaving it would not cause serious loss. Now, US is the declining super power and China is the biggest and growing industry country.

2, Boycotting Chinese products set a glass ceiling for India’s future development. India can boycott Chinese products because it is an importer. But if Indians have a wider and longer view, they should know China is the world biggest market and will be the biggest technologies transfer source. Giving up China is equal to giving up India’s future. “No China” is okay for present India, but not okay if India wants to upgrade its industry structure. The higher India’s development stage is, the harder the glass ceiling will be.

3, China will not collapse like Soviet Union did. China is way stronger than Soviet Union. Western countries have huge interests in China. Chinese leaders are much smarter than Soviet Union’s leaders. Compared with Russians, Chinese are much hardworking and good at science and economic activities. China will haunt India forever.

India wanted to remain on the fence Plan A, but I think it was the US which had enough of this Indian policy and cornered India to pick a side!