Why India chose to disappoint the US

[Paan Singh]

India will soon (Within 15 years) request US presence in India, just like how Pakistani's request Russian or Chinese presence it their country.

india dont need extra shoulders...

 

[tallboy123]

I believe there is a disconnect here. I think the problem is that India believe that its the superpower. The reality is that India is not strong enough to stand by itself in the long run given the current geo political situation and it will have to take sides sooner or later. I would urge India to side with the US while it still has leverage instead of begging US for protection in the not too distant future. You see how some Pakistanis want China or Russia to setup bases in their country. In 10 years, India would start to debate about which bases to open up to the US military. Which of these two would be a better base for the US fleet in India, Cochin or Bombay? I believe that Indian Ocean should have its own fleet or expand the 5th fleet to cover the whole Indian Ocean while have 7th fleet cover the western pacific, what do you guys think.

We think ur a troll and we report it!!!!

 

[faithfulguy]

Do you wanna bet on it?

Deep inside, you know that this is what will happen. India cannot stand along forever. If India is going to prosper, it will choose sides. Otherwise, it will be left in the dustbin of history.

 

[The HBS Guy]

You are talking about way into the future. Also, if India is not willing to be an ally, then India is an enemy of the US. Its up to India to demonstrate to the US that its a truth worthy ally. If not, then you can surrender your territories and join SCO and have them protect you.

You're making some very preposterous judgements while choosing to forget the history of Indian foreign policy.

1. Even at the worst of times, we were never part of any military organisation.

2. Indian always favoured having an independent foreign policy. There is a reason for this. After 300 years of serving the white man, a majority of Indians not so exposed to the world, justifiably or unjustifiably, were vary of dealings with the white man. That is why Indian politicians, to this day, have to go to extra lenghts to make it clear to their public that they are not doing things under the pressure of the capitalist white man. This explains why it is so important for Indian policymakers to not be over-pressured by the US and make their policies independently and also seem to be doing it. This is also wy Indian policymakers will never want to seem to be another poodle of the US like Auz or the UK.

3. You are assuming that India 'urgently' needs a powerful ally. That is simply incorrect. India is progressing well and is in a position to negotiate terms of engagement with any country it chooses to ally with. India has time on its side. That's why I said that a decade later, it is bound to happen.

EDIT: Reading your pother comments, I think I wasted my time typing all this!

 

[Paan Singh]

Deep inside, you know that this is what will happen. India cannot stand along forever. If India is going to prosper, it will choose sides. Otherwise, it will be left in the dustbin of history.

plz forget india n leave this country

 

[The HBS Guy]

I believe there is a disconnect here. I think the problem is that India believe that its the superpower. The reality is that India is not strong enough to stand by itself in the long run given the current geo political situation and it will have to take sides sooner or later. I would urge India to side with the US while it still has leverage instead of begging US for protection in the not too distant future. You see how some Pakistanis want China or Russia to setup bases in their country. In 10 years, India would start to debate about which bases to open up to the US military. Which of these two would be a better base for the US fleet in India, Cochin or Bombay? I believe that Indian Ocean should have its own fleet or expand the 5th fleet to cover the whole Indian Ocean while have 7th fleet cover the western pacific, what do you guys think.

I have neither a big enough face, nor a big enough palm for that.

 

[faithfulguy]

You're making some very preposterous judgements while choosing to forget the history of Indian foreign policy.

1. Even at the worst of times, we were never part of any military organisation.

2. Indian always favoured having an independent foreign policy. There is a reason for this. After 300 years of serving the white man, a majority of Indians not so exposed to the world, justifiably or unjustifiably, were vary of dealings with the white man. That is why Indian politicians, to this day, have to go to extra lenghts to make it clear to their public that they are not doing things under the pressure of the capitalist white man. This explains why it is so important for Indian policymakers to not be over-pressured by the US and make their policies independently and also seem to be doing it. This is also wy Indian policymakers will never want to seem to be another poodle of the US like Auz or the UK.

3. You are assuming that India 'urgently' needs a powerful ally. That is simply incorrect. India is progressing well and is in a position to negotiate terms of engagement with any country it chooses to ally with. India has time on its side. That's why I said that a decade later, it is bound to happen.

I think Indian people in general should drop the mentality that any friendship with others is a subjugation of the country to colonialism. For example, if India allow US to setup bases in India like how US have a base in Japan, does that equate colonialism. Its obviously not. So if US has bases in India, that is not colonialism.

As for India need powerful allies, India clearly do not. But the world is shaped to be a Russia/Chinese alliance vs the West. Your best friends, the Pakistanis, want to side with the SCO. Its just natural for you guys to side with the west.

 

[The HBS Guy]

I think Indian people in general should drop the mentality that any friendship with others is a subjugation of the country to colonialism. For example, if India allow US to setup bases in India like how US have a base in Japan, does that equate colonialism. Its obviously not. So if US has bases in India, that is not colonialism.

That is just how it is going to be perceived by the Indian public.

As for India need powerful allies, India clearly do not. But the world is shaped to be a Russia/Chinese alliance vs the West. Your best friends, the Pakistanis, want to side with the SCO. Its just natural for you guys to side with the west.

Definitely. I do believe so. The terms of engagement, though, remain an open-ended question. Setting bases will not happen unless there's a war or something really dire going on.

 

[tallboy123]

This faithful guy,before MMRCA shortlist ,he was advocating that India will go for US planes..... wat now..No US planes.....

This guys just predicts and advocates some BS .....just report him

 

[great]

Deep inside, you know that this is what will happen. India cannot stand along forever. If India is going to prosper, it will choose sides. Otherwise, it will be left in the dustbin of history.

What? Now you gonna tell me how I feel too. Well even if it left in dustbin of history its its choice right? I don't mind that. I don't want India to be a lapdog for America.

 

[praveen007]

US would be willing to be treated India like a major partner, such as Britain, Australia and Japan. But India refuses and want to be treated better than this countries. This will never happen. As for technology, old US technology is more advance than tomorrows technology that India can get from Europe or Russia. Its better off for India to be a US partner.

I know its not advance as US but its a generation advance then our enemies at our boder.
And these plane are quit capable of thaking our adverseries and teach them a lesson which they never forget .

 

[desioptimist]

I think Indian people in general should drop the mentality that any friendship with others is a subjugation of the country to colonialism. For example, if India allow US to setup bases in India like how US have a base in Japan, does that equate colonialism. Its obviously not. So if US has bases in India, that is not colonialism.

As for India need powerful allies, India clearly do not. But the world is shaped to be a Russia/Chinese alliance vs the West. Your best friends, the Pakistanis, want to side with the SCO. Its just natural for you guys to side with the west.

We did not even have russian base during cold war. What makes you think we will allow US base.
And I dont see any russia/chinease alliance in near future which will work against India's interest.

 

[faithfulguy]

how about US base in Taiwan????

Taiwan has an open invitation for US troops. but US won't base their military in Taiwan.

 

[faithfulguy]

We did not even have russian base during cold war. What makes you think we will allow US base.
And I dont see any russia/chinease alliance in near future which will work against India's interest.

This is Russia\Chinese alliance is an attempt to create a new world order to replace the current US lead world order. There would be a struggle between the existing US lead world order and the new up and coming Russia/China alliance, though not appear to be very obvious. This is the defining challenge of the 21 century. Where does India stand in this conflict will decide the fate of India.

 

[Tshering22]

This was so obvious:

- 30 year old airframe designs
- expensive package
- too many strings attached.

Caused the deal to slide to Europe. With France and Germany jumping head-over-heels to get the contract offering us every tech transfer possible in the rule book, only a fool would have gone for the US-string-bound jets. I was worried that this useless government would select super Hornet. but for once MMS and his Owner proved me wrong.