Why I wear a Burqa: Burqa gives protection and respect

[wtf]

Most here have tried to prove as if the Muslim countries are the only entities where rape prevails and women are molested at will, forgetting where the main blunt of this menace lies (i don't want to quote statics in this thread)

I am not trying to say that Islam has something to do with rape or condemn what the woman did. She did what she had to do to avoid rape. Don't bring Islam into this. And this happened in Bali where dress standards are pretty lax, so I won't even blame the country.

What I am writing about the attitude that praises the Purdah as something that earns respect or saying that rapists are justified in rape if they have no respect for woman involved.

I'll use an analogy. If I started a thread saying I have to hire a security guard for my house because of all the thiefs near my house, I would expect a condemnation for thief. Here it seems like everyone seems to be praising the security guard and justifying robbing houses without security guards. Neither is true -- the fact that I may have to hire a security guard is a symptom of lack of security and robbing would remain wrong irrespective of guards or whatever.

 

[Communist]

Equality means treating everyone with the same respect that you treat yourselves to. Equality means women have the same rights as men. It means they have a right not to have sex forced upon them.

Its not possible. Women have been made in a different way from what you are perceiving. Violation of the model code of conduct in a society is punishable for both men and women, and in this way the applicability of the legal codes is equal. But as men and women are different biologically, violation of the model codes of conduct for a man is different from what is for a woman. Hope you understand. Its not discrimination, its bringing about justice in a society.

The only thing I could read in your posts was a definition of equality that was used to justify segregation in the US - "Separate but equal". Soviet Union was condemning that sort of a "equality" even in the 40's.

Its sad that Soviet has always been misunderstood by people like you. Soviet protested the US racist discrimination. The white segregationists in the US did not chanted "Separate but equal" in terms of economy and power. The black harlem in NY city was a burning example for that racism. I am sorry, I cannot discuss that at length as its off topic, but I know that history. Let me answer to you in a single word, the "Separate but equal" agenda was a hypocrisy.

Sometimes equality can be achieved through separation.

 

[wtf]

Its not possible. Blacks have been made in a different way from what you are perceiving. Violation of the model code of conduct in a society is punishable for both Blacks and whites, and in this way the applicability of the legal codes is equal. But as blacks and whites are different biologically, violation of the model codes of conduct for a blacks is different from what is for a whites. Hope you understand. Its not discrimination, its bringing about justice in a society.

How does that sound now ?

 

[Communist]

How does that sound now ?

So women are blacks to you?

Well, there are black women too.

 

[wtf]

So women are blacks to you?

Well, there are black women too.

No. It means that even if there are biological differences, I am willing to treat every human being as equals. The question of whether blacks and whites are genetically different is as irrelevant as the difference between men and women. It is about the willingness to treat people as equals. You really,really ought to reread Marx.

 

[wtf]

Its sad that Soviet has always been misunderstood by people like you. Soviet protested the US racist discrimination. The white segregationists in the US did not chanted "Separate but equal" in terms of economy and power. The black harem in NY city was a burning example for that racism. I am sorry, I cannot discuss that at length as its off topic, but I know that history. Let me answer to you in a single word, the "Separate but equal" agenda was a hypocrisy.

Sometimes equality can be achieved through separation.

Separate but equal was the actual justification given by the courts for segregation.
And what do you mean by "harem of NY"? did you mean Harlem?
Harlem Riot of 1935 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've been to Harlem, that's where you take a bus to Laguardia airport and it is a picture of equality now. The city developed and now Harlem is as central to NY as Manhattan is. They have hispanic immigrants, rich bankers, working class people and blacks in equal measure and living amongst each other.

BTW, it is not off-topic. Seperate rules for men and women are as bad as seperate rules for blacks and whites.

 

[Communist]

No. It means that even if there are biological differences, I am willing to treat every human being as equals. The question of whether blacks and whites are genetically different is as irrelevant as the difference between men and women. It is about the willingness to treat people as equals. You really,really ought to reread Marx.

Blacks and whites may be genetically different, but women and men are biologically different. You talk about treating people as equals. Can women then play soccer with men as an opponent team? Can a man gives birth to a child too?

If you treat everyone as equal, then how can you leave your seat to a handicapped person inside a crowded bus? If you leave, then its not discrimination, if you do not, then you are depriving someone on the basis of the theory, social darwinism.

I have been talking about positive discrimination, but you took it as racism and negative discrimination. Very unfortunate.

 

[Communist]

Separate but equal was the actual justification given by the courts for segregation.
And what do you mean by "harem of NY"? did you mean Harlem?
Harlem Riot of 1935 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've been to Harlem, that's where you take a bus to Laguardia airport and it is a picture of equality now. The city developed and now Harlem is as central to NY as Manhattan is. They have hispanic immigrants, rich bankers, working class people and blacks in equal measure and living amongst each other.

BTW, it is not off-topic. Seperate rules for men and women are as bad as seperate rules for blacks and whites.

Yes yes, it was a typing mistake, I just missed the 'l', though I put the 'l' there later. I was in a hurry, I could not manage to revise before posting.

I was referring to the NY harlem of the twenties. Not the present harlem.

 

[Communist]

BTW, it is not off-topic. Seperate rules for men and women are as bad as seperate rules for blacks and whites.

Why does in your own country of universal equality there exist a maternity leave for women in Govt jobs?

Please clarify.

 

[Jako]

Blacks and whites may be genetically different, but women and men are biologically different. You talk about treating people as equals. Can a women then play soccer with men as an opponent team? Can a man gives birth to a child too?

If you treat everyone as equal, then how can you leave your seat to a handicapped person inside a crowded bus? If you leave, then its not discrimination, if you do not, then you are depriving someone on the basis of the theory, social darwinism.

I have been talking about positive discrimination, but you took it as racism and negative discrimination. Very unfortunate.

by saying so,do you mean in a way, women are handicapped? I pray u dont mean so,but it seems such.........firstly i am towards equality for women,but in a society of a third world country you do find sexist discrimination and you can do nothing bout it,but atleast we must give the women their basic human rights and needs.........inequality shouldnt be in a way that hurts the women mentality and in a way looks down upon her....in the name of the dominating sex men sometime become beasts and in turn, treat women like caged animals,do we need that? Is that a healthy society? Why are women not allowed to do things they want,while men are allowed to carry on? Furthur, biological difference doesnt make a female inferior to a male......infact it shows a man's inferior and shadowed mentality.........lastly 'communist',the more i see of you the more i am amazed.......damn!!you are a sexist too!!!

 

[AliFarooq]

 

[Jako]

Why does in your own country of universal equality there exist a maternity leave for women in Govt jobs?

Please clarify.

this the worst post i have seen,how the hell can u relate sexist discrimination to maternity leave? It is a basic human right given to the women,and we do pay them during the leave,and this applies for every country even pakistan.........

 

[Communist]

this the worst post i have seen,how the hell can u relate sexist discrimination to maternity leave? It is a basic human right given to the women,and we do pay them during the leave,and this applies for every country even pakistan.........

When you come to a thread, please start reading all the posts from the very thread opening post. And then arrange all your points in an order before posting an argumentative post.

 

[wtf]

Blacks and whites may be genetically different, but women and men are biologically different. You talk about treating people as equals. Can women then play soccer with men as an opponent team? Can a man gives birth to a child too?

If you treat everyone as equal, then how can you leave your seat to a handicapped person inside a crowded bus? If you leave, then its not discrimination, if you do not, then you are depriving someone on the basis of the theory, social darwinism.

I have been talking about positive discrimination, but you took it as racism and negative discrimination. Very unfortunate.

That makes no sense. Let's take Hutus and Tutsis. Tutsi are tall and Hutu are short. That makes a biological difference - are we going to treat them differently ? Would you say that making all the seats in a bus tall and asking Hutu people to carry a pillow around with them (so that they can sit properly on the seat) is positive discrimination? In my opinion it is not - it is negative.
Asking woman to wear a Burkha because they would otherwise get raped is similar. The correct solution is to control the men.

 

[Jako]

When you come to a thread, please start reading all the posts from the very thread opening post. And then arrange all your points in an order before posting an argumentative post.

for your knowledge i read the posts,and was replying to your insane sexist comments which came later on..........the woman in concern was forced by the consequences to take shelter under the burqa,but it is clear that she is faroff wearing it in a healthy society,which shows the use of the burqa!! In a healthy society you dont need it,while in a lusty,ugly and unhealthy society you are forced to use it to protect yourself,denying your basic rights and needs....thnx