Why does Pakistan have an affinity for Turkey?

[Imad.Khan]

I have a few questions for the Pakistani members here. I've noticed in my time here that a lot of Pakistani members have a (to me) strange affinity and cultural closeness to Turkey. I can't say if it's something that generalizes since I don't know many Pakistanis and their views about Turkey have never come up in conversation. So, my first question is is this affinity widespread among Pakistanis?

This bonhomie is something that I've noticed runs deeper than just affinity for a fellow Sunni Muslim state. For instance, I've never noticed Pakistanis here express similar feelings for Morocco or Algeria. Maybe Saudi Arabia, but that's more explainable by the large Pakistani diaspora there, its wealth and support of Pakistan, and its custodianship of Islam's holy sites. Turkey can't be explained in this way. What, in your opinion, is the reason for this closeness?

Also, and this has irked me somewhat, I see Turkish armaments held in higher esteem here than they should be. Pakistanis here seem to view them as equal, or superior to, Chinese weapons. That's simply false - Chinese weapons are more technologically advanced and far more price competitive. The only exceptions to this (and only on the technology front) are when Turkish manufacturers partner with European ones - in which case Pakistan is just buying the European stuff by proxy.

Turkey doesn't give Pakistan any special financial, diplomatic, or military support. Why the love?

That is a good question and to be honest there is no particular reason for Pakistanis love for Turkish people. Yes we have similarities between us, but as you pointed out we have the same similarities with others countries. My personal experience is that i feel more comfortable with Turks and get along really well with them and they get along with me as easily. But when it comes to Arabs or Iranians i don't have the same feelings for them and i don't really know why, even though my ethnicity is Pukhtoon which is genetically part of the Iranic branch and not Turkic branch.

So in short, we have no freaking idea why we have so much love for Turks, we just do.

 

[Beast]

Stop licking chinese boots

@waz @WebMaster @Arsalan

Insult Pakistanis and Chinese.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Cool ur jets. Bro

@waz @WebMaster @Arsalan

Insult Pakistanis and Chinese.

 

[beijingwalker]

The more friends Pakistan have, the better. be them China, Saudi Arabia or Turkey. Turkey can offer moral support, Saudis and China can provide economic , military assistance and UN protection, but eventually, every country has to depend on their own, China also learned the hard way in the history.

 

[Beast]

Cool ur jets. Bro

Are u scared?

 

[beijingwalker]

From Chinese anti muslim scum???
NO NEVER!!!!

You don't have to get dirty to get across your meaning.

 

[Beast]

From Chinese anti muslim scum???
NO NEVER!!!!

@waz @WebMaster @The Eagle

Insulting and unrepentant behaviour.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Cool ur jets. Bro

When did I mention love for Chinese?

Usually Pakistanis idealize Mughals and Delhi Sultanate.

Why should Pakistanis idealize some other countries?

The joke is on you.

You don't have to get dirty to get across your meaning.

Pakistanis on the streets in Pakistan and expatriates usually think of Mughal glories and Delhi Sultanate.

That is what Pakistanis identify with.

Not some country in Middle East.

These losers what to be like others when we already have a rich heritage of our own.

They don’t only few misguided Islamists

Pakistanis supported the Turkish war of independence because of religion even though the Turkish Republic was anti religion later

Many Pakistanis are misguided and naive like many Arabs who think turkey supports the uyghurs because of Islam they don’t know that the Turkish nationalists/pan Turks consider the Buddhist Turkics as their brothers while they don’t consider the Sunni Kurds as their enemies. They don’t really care about the other Muslims like Arabs or south Asians just like the Iranian nationalists who view the Iranian Jew as their brother while they see the Shia Arab as their enemy

Exactly the Turkish republic was anti-religion after the Turkish war of independence.

When will the stupid Pakistani Middle Eastern wannabes ever learn?

Pakistanis identify with Mughals and Delhi Sultanate.

That was when we had an empire of our own and a culture we could identify with.

Pakistanis identify with:

Sindhi Beef Briyani:

Gulab Jamun:

Jinnah cap:

@waz ban this thread, its rubbish. Pakistanis love nobody but themselves.

 

[AUz]

Because they are our Muslim brothers.

Because they have been on of our best allies and have good wishes for us genuinely.

What else?

Turkey-Pakistan Bhai Bhai

 

[Beast]

Because they are our Muslim brothers.

Because they have been on of our best allies and have good wishes for us genuinely.

What else?

Turkey-Pakistan Bhai Bhai

Yes, shielding murderer like Dostum who killed many pashtun just becos he is Turkic. Many Pakistanis pashtun hates him. Turkey only help themselves.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yes, shielding murderer like Dostum who killed many pashtun just becos he is Turkic. Many Pakistanis pashtun hates him.

Wow, I am impressed you know quite a bit of South Asian politics.

Yes I heard bad things about Dostum. Hmph.

All this bullshit about Turkic is all nonsense.

Central Asian Muslims have nothing in common with Anatolian Turks.

They are a completely different peoples.

 

[Clearly]

@MultaniGuy I see your reasoning but can I just point out you can’t claim to be the spokesperson of every Pakistani? Showing love and respect to Turkiye, doesn’t mean we are negating from our own history. We don’t have many friends in this world, Turkey is a brother nation that respects and reciprocate that love.

For everyone who is mentioning cultural similarities, I do want to mention that modern day Turkey does have its own culture, which is different from our own traditional values, which is mainly due to the fact that secularism is part of Turkish Law and Pakistan is a strongly muslim society.

 

[Dungeness]

Interesting, after reading "deeper than ocean, higher than mountain" and "Iron Brothers" for all these years, now I don't really know what to think.

 

[艹艹艹]

Hilarious co incidence . In another thread ( it's trending right now), Pakistani mods have shut down Turks very severely and harshly , just to make chinese members feel better.
Turkish members are protesting this partiality to Chinese members, but in vain.

Some turks are particularly easily provoked, and when they are provoked they use intemperate language.
So they get a "banned"
If you hate someone, please provoke him

 

[SALMAN F]

When did I mention love for Chinese?

Usually Pakistanis idealize Mughals and Delhi Sultanate.

Why should Pakistanis idealize some other countries?

The joke is on you.


Pakistanis on the streets in Pakistan and expatriates usually think of Mughal glories and Delhi Sultanate.

That is what Pakistanis identify with.

Not some country in Middle East.

These losers what to be like others when we already have a rich heritage of our own.


Exactly the Turkish republic was anti-religion after the Turkish war of independence.

When will the stupid Pakistani Middle Eastern wannabes ever learn?

Pakistanis identify with Mughals and Delhi Sultanate.

That was when we had an empire of our own and a culture we could identify with.

Pakistanis identify with:

Sindhi Beef Briyani:

Gulab Jamun:

Jinnah cap:

@waz ban this thread, its rubbish. Pakistanis love nobody but themselves.

Ataturk was just like Khomeini he used religion to get support from the so called Muslims but after he established the republic he allied turkey with the west and wipe out most of the Islamic identity in turkey

Khomeini on the other hand he used the religion and nationalism to get the leftists communist,librals and nationalists who were all naive and foolish to supported him and the first things he did after taking other was forbidding the freedom and democracy and called nationalism jahili ideology


When the Pakistanis were supporting ataturk they thought they were supporting Islam without knowing the true intentions of the Turks. They didn’t know that the region was filled with westernized secular nationalism and the ideology of pan islamic ideology was long dead