Why do most people on Pakistani news channels call India as "Hindustan"?

[Naofumi]

@halupridol

Please read #147 and #149. His argument is more complex than you suspect, but at heart, devastatingly simple. It's worth the effort.

You give a lot of green ticks to him. Such a big fan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Tarek Fatah is a Punjabi.

Whether his orgins are but his person has been informed by his hijrat -

Fatah was born in Karachi, Pakistan into a Punjabi family which had migrated from Bombay to Karachi following the Partition of India in 1947.[7

 

[Cliftonite]

@Indus Pakistan You have seen the terror that MQM unleashed on Karachi. I am an extremely aggression averse person but if some a*s backwards feudal is going to tell us we are Muhajiroons and we owe Sindhis anything, I too would prefer unleashing terror and going the way of MQM. Rinse and repeat for all the Muhajirs of Karachi. We can only be pushed against the wall so much. You my dear are nobody to make us feel unwelcome in this country. Karachi is no Sindhi's baap ki jageer. Hope you get that loud and clear.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Prakrit speaking people

You know and I know 'prakrit' is just a self serving term coined to include what you want. It just translates to "vernacular".

 

[Naofumi]

You know and I know 'prakrit' is just a self serving term coined to include what you want. It just translates to "vernacular".

Nope, they all descended from Vedic Sanskrit. Vernacular differentiates it from Sanskrit which survived as a Liturgical language only.

 

[Cliftonite]

Whether his orgins are but his person has been informed by his hijrat -

Fatah was born in Karachi, Pakistan into a Punjabi family which had migrated from Bombay to Karachi following the Partition of India in 1947.[7

Screw Tarek Fatah.

You clearly use hijrat in a derogatory way as if you fed us and housed us. Pakistan tumharay jahez mein aya tha? B*tch don't you dare try your arrogance, you'll get a repeat of the 90s terror wave and maybe even 71. We know very well how to deal with Bhutto's jiyala who suppress other ethnicities. Your leader Bhutto lost us Bangladesh out of this same arrogance.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Hope you get that loud and clear.

I think you need to spread that message to your kith/kin in India. Grow a pair. Stand up against the lynchings. Stop being doormats. There is nearly 200 million of you guys in India. And not acting tough guy hiding amongst the Ajraks. Got it?

I don't want to go any further before you press your buddies to get me banned ....

Nope

Nope. Prakrit is just a term invented to give unity to and oneness to many languages so they can all be branded and fit within the idea of modern India. Simple historical revisiosm at best. Gandharai [centred around North West Pakistan] was spoken in Central Asia even and used unique script. Calling it 'Prakrit' sudenly lumps it with whatever you want. Mmmmm "Indic". How so convenient. "Indic, India".

 

[Joe Shearer]

You give a lot of green ticks to him. Such a big fan.

I think he is one of the brains on the forum. He may not be popular, but he is committed to his nation of origin, and I have seen how painfully carefully he has tried to put in place an adaptation of Aitzaz Ahsan for the sake of the integrity and survivability of the country.

 

[Cliftonite]

I think he is one of the brains on the forum. He may not be popular, but he is committed to his nation of origin, and I have seen how painfully carefully he has tried to put in place an adaptation of Aitzaz Ahsan for the sake of the integrity and survivability of the country.

He's somebody who plays ethnic politics within his own country's racial groups. You should read his disgusting thoughts about Bangladeshis as well. Don't glorify such bigots man.

 

[Naofumi]

Simple historical revisiosm at best.

Sanskrit descended languages were called Prakrit, you can scream out your lungs but academic world accepts this fact. And 'Gangu' Muhajirs in Karachi write Urdu as in Nastaliq and we write in it in Devanagari, but they remain the same language. Again, you can scream your lungs out but linguists accept the fact.

I think he is one of the brains on the forum. He may not be popular, but he is committed to his nation of origin, and I have seen how painfully carefully he has tried to put in place an adaptation of Aitzaz Ahsan for the sake of the integrity and survivability of the country.

How can someone who plays exclusionary identity politics can be called a Patriot, can't your logic be extended to RSS?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think you need to spread that message to your kith/kin in India. Grow a pair. Stand up against the lynchings. Stop being doormats. There is nearly 200 million of you guys in India. And not acting tough guy hiding amongst the Ajraks. Got it?

I don't want to go any further before you press your buddies to get me banned ....

Nope. Prakrit is just a term invented to give unity to and oneness to many languages so they can all be branded and fit within the idea of modern India. Simple historical revisiosm at best. Gandharai [centred around North West Pakistan] was spoken in Central Asia even and used unique script. Calling it 'Prakrit' sudenly lumps it with whatever you want. Mmmmm "Indic". How so convenient. "Indic, India".

@Naofumi, let me explain.

Vedic Sanskrit turned into various 'accents'; quite obviously they resembled each other, having originated from the same stock. Equally obviously, nobody set out to speak differently from people three or four generations, or fifty generations before; they found themselves speaking in different accents, later dialects, later languages, without having wished it. It was academicians, not necessarily European academicians, but our own 'native' academicians who noticed that people were speaking a variety of very similar dialects, even languages, and, for their own convenience, clubbed these together and put a label to that clubbed mass. Nobody set out to speak Suraseni Prakrit; it was classifiers who came much later who grouped all those western dialects turning into languages and called them Suraseni Prakrit.

So, don't be too taken in by labels. Labels were invented by people who got headaches looking at the mess of material lying around.

He's somebody who plays ethnic politics within his own country's racial groups. You should read his disgusting thoughts about Bangladeshis as well. Don't glorify such bigots man.

LOL.

He does that for effect. Trust me on that.

 

[Naofumi]

@Naofumi, let me explain.

Vedic Sanskrit turned into various 'accents'; quite obviously they resembled each other, having originated from the same stock. Equally obviously, nobody set out to speak differently from people three or four generations, or fifty generations before; they found themselves speaking in different accents, later dialects, later languages, without having wished it. It was academicians, not necessarily European academicians, but our own 'native' academicians who noticed that people were speaking a variety of very similar dialects, even languages, and, for their own convenience, clubbed these together and put a label to that clubbed mass. Nobody set out to speak Suraseni Prakrit; it was classifiers who came much later who grouped all those western dialects turning into languages and called them Suraseni Prakrit.

So, don't be too taken in by labels. Labels were invented by people who got headaches looking at the mess of material lying around.

I know this much Professor but they descended from the same stock - I stress only on this part.

 

[El Sidd]

Why are you surprised by another Stan?

If there can be 'Desh', there can be a 'stan'.

 

[Cliftonite]

As far as I remember, there were 3 substratas out of which Indo Aryan languages descended. One branch is Sindhi, Gujarati, Punjabi, Hindustani. The second gave way to Bengali, Assamese and Oriya. And the third gave way to Marathi and Sinhala.


The difference is tangible. I mean I can get the basic hang of Gujarati, Punjabi and Sindhi grammar. Probably cause of the Saurasheni prakrit descent. Can't say the same for Marathi or Bengali.

 

[Naofumi]

Why are you surprised by another Stan?

If there can be 'Desh', there can be a 'stan'.

I am not surprised. Stan is perfect, Desh is perfect too.