Why didn’t the Hindus of India ever defeat an invading army!

[Indus Pakistan]

Why do all Indians have a flabby belly?

Eat too much Biriany and chew paan.

That's true. The invading Army was airlifted directly in present day India bypassing the present day Pakistan. May be that's why Pakistan was never ever invaded in its 5000 year of history.

The kinetic energy of many invaders was absorbed by region coterminous to Pakistan saving what is present day India or example the case of Alexander the Great. In many other instances invasion of India involved men from what is now Pakistan. Historically the term 'Afghan' did not mean a country as exists today but Pakhtuns. Most of Western half of Pakistan is home of Pakhtuns so in that sense you got invaded by us.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Eat too much Biriany and chew paan.

The kinetic energy of many invaders was absorbed by region coterminous to Pakistan saving what is present day India or example the case of Alexander the Great. In many other instances invasion of India involved men from what is now Pakistan. Historically the term 'Afghan' did not mean a country as exists today but Pakhtuns. Most of Western half of Pakistan is home of Pakhtuns so in that sense you got invaded by us.

And the wierd thing is first line of defense were also Pakistanis

Specifically noth Punjab, where even now martial clans are concentrated there

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Many Chinese history fans asked an interesting question. Since all ancient invaders came from Khyber Pass, why didn't Indians build a wall to block the pass? Ancient Chinese built thousands kilometers wall at north border. Ancient Indians just needed to build a short wall at this key spot.

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Why are you using British drawn boundaries for events from 2,000 years ago when even the idea of India did not exist? You have fallen for the bullshit peddled by Indians who have conjured up this myth called 'Ancient India' when such a thing never existed. Khyber Pass is in Pakistan and you might as well ask the question 'Why Ancient Pakistan's did not build a wall at Khbyer Pass' to which my answer would be because eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan were one civilization and entity called Gandhara and Khyber Pass was major connecting hub - not a border!

 

[magra]

Why are you using British drawn boundaries for events from 2,000 years ago when even the idea of India did not exist? You have fallen for the bullshit peddled by Indians who have conjured up this myth called 'Ancient India' when such a thing never existed. Khyber Pass is in Pakistan and you might as well ask the question 'Why Ancient Pakistan's did not build a wall at Khbyer Pass' to which my answer would be because eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan were one civilization and entity called Gandhara and Khyber Pass was major connecting hub - not a border!

The term 'Bharat' or even 'India' predates British arrival. May be the boundaries of Bharat were a bit different and open to interpretation, but it covered much of modern day subcontinent. So the idea was always there, even though politically it was often divided among various kingdoms.

 

[Naofumi]

The Turks who perished Byzantium. They are all losers outside the Great Wall.

How can you say that when the most prominent Chinese dynasty had origins from Rouran and Xianbei? Turks served in the Tang military and An Lushan, a Turk led one of the most awful massacres of Hans in history. Funnily enough, it was Uyghur Khaganate which saved the Tangs.

 

[MH.Yang]

How can you say that when the most prominent Chinese dynasty had origins from Rouran and Xianbei? Turks served in the Tang military and An Lushan, a Turk led one of the most awful massacres of Hans in history. Funnily enough, it was Uyghur Khaganate which saved the Tangs.

Anlu mountain is a Sogdian, not a Turk.

The most outstanding Dynasty, you mean the Tang Dynasty? The Tang Dynasty was a Han people dynasty, but the mother of the 2nd emperor of the Tang Dynasty was Xianbei.

An Lushan - Wikipedia

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Sogdia - Wikipedia

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The Turks did serve in the Tang army, but they were slave armies. In 629 ad, General Li Jing of the Tang Dynasty defeated the Turkic army. Some Turks surrendered to the Tang Dynasty and became slave armies. Some Turks fled to Central Asia, and then they destroyed Byzantium.

Battle of Yinshan - Wikipedia

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[Indus Pakistan]

The term 'Bharat' or even 'India' predates British arrival. May be the boundaries of Bharat were a bit different and open to interpretation

Existence of term is not proof of much. My surname 'Ali' existed 1000 years ago but I certainly did not. It would be delusional if I begin believing I existed just because I came across the mention of 'Ali' in some obscure writing from 1000 years ago.

The term Asia also existed but that does not mean if Pakistan had chosen the name 'Asia' she could then claim she existed 3,000 years ago because the term was found in some old writing. What you people do is see dots and then join them all to reify the idea of India as you want to in 2021. Sort of reverse engineer the British Raj [which you guys wrongly regard as modern India] to the past.

The vast geography known today as South Asia was rarely ever united and over this landmass existed dozens of histories which followed their own trajectory much like Europe even if at odd points events overlapped many.

The real reason why India was invaded so often is because it did not exist. It's like asking today why was Africa invaded so often. The reason is Africa is just a continent. If Africa had been one united entity it would probably never have been invaded. As it is Egypt was invaded but rest of Africa slept through unaware. Then Sudan got invaded, same thing. Then Tanzania got invaded, same thing.

 

[Naofumi]

Historically the term 'Afghan' did not mean a country as exists today but Pakhtuns. Most of Western half of Pakistan is home of Pakhtuns so in that sense you got invaded by us.

1. Gandhara was non-Iranic Indo-Aryan prior to Hephthalites and even then, Huns were Hindus. In fact, it can be argued Pakhtuns Pakhtunized/Iranized native population of Gandhara, modern KPK.
Gandhara - Wikipedia
Mihirakula - Wikipedia

Numerous incidents of violence were reported during this period. The Dharmarajika Stupa at Takṣaśilā has evidence of a massacre there by the Huns.[52] Mihirakula is said to have become a "terrible persecutor" of Buddhism which may have contributed to decline of Buddhism in the Gandhara region.[53] Xuanzang tells us that initially Mihirakula was interested in learning about Buddhism, and asked the monks to send him a teacher; the monks insulted him by recommending a servant of his own household for the purpose. This incident is said to have turned Mihirakula virulently anti-Buddhist, although some have suggested the anti-Buddhist reputation was exaggerated. [54] It is possible that Mihirakula, who may have been inclined toward Shaivism (although his coins also have representations of other deities such as the goddess Lakshmi), was inimical toward both Buddhists and Jainas.[55]

The travel records of many Chinese Buddhist pilgrims record that Gandhara was going through a transformation during these centuries. Buddhism was declining, and Hinduism was rising. Faxian traveled around 400, when Prakrit was the language of the people, and Buddhism was flourishing. 100 years later, when Song Yun visited in 520, a different situation was described: the area had been destroyed by the White Huns and was ruled by Lae-Lih, who did not practice the laws of the Buddha. Xuanzang visited India around 644 CE and found Buddhism on the wane in Gandhara and Hinduism in the ascendant. Gandhara was ruled by a king from Kabul, who respected Buddha's law, but Taxila was in ruins, and Buddhist monasteries were deserted.

2. There's only one Afghan dynasty ruling Delhi, that too Turko-Afghan Khalajs.

The Khalaj (Bactrian χαλασσ Xalass; Pashto: خلجیان‎, romanized: Khalajyān; Persian: خلج‌ها‎, romanized: Xalajhâ) are classified as a Turkic tribe.[2] Medieval Muslim scholars considered the tribe to be one of the earliest to cross the Amu Darya from Central Asia into present-day Afghanistan. The Khalaj were described as sheep-grazing nomads in Ghazni, Qalati Ghilji, and the surrounding districts, who had a habit of wandering through seasonal pastures.

In Iran, they still speak Khalaj language, which is classified as Turkic, although most of them are Persianized.[3] In Afghanistan, the Ghilji tribe of Pashtuns very likely descends from the Khalaj people.[4][5]

It seems that even the remote descendants of Khalajs do not reside in Pakistan. Sad for wannabe invaders.

Anlu mountain is a Sogdian, not a Turk.

The most outstanding Dynasty, you mean the Tang Dynasty? The Tang Dynasty was a Han people dynasty, but the mother of the 2nd emperor of the Tang Dynasty was Xianbei.

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An Lushan - Wikipedia

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Sogdia - Wikipedia

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Sogidian AND Göktürk. Göktürks were the first Türks to have established an empire, they Turkicized different tribes all over Eurasia and thus are the reason of existence of all Turkic nations today. You can't get more Turkic than Göktürks. Their Ashina tribe was revered as scion of Gods by Turkic/Turkicized people for centuries, many Ashinas served in the Tang military itself.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

st to clarify British India was a British colonial construct made by British soldiers and ruled by British officials and subject to the British crown - or British Raj. It included huge geography that included at various times -

• Burma [Myanmar]
• Singapore [Straits Settlement]
• UAE [ Trucial states]
• Yemen [Aden]
• India
• Bangladesh
• Pakistan

In 1947 the Raj was dissolved and the successors states came into existence. Modern Indians's think they are British India which is a fallacy. They are one piece of the British Raj which happened to carry over the name.

 

[MH.Yang]

Sogidian AND Göktürk. Göktürks were the first Türks to have established an empire, they Turkicized different tribes all over Eurasia and thus are the reason of existence of all Turkic nations today. You can't get more Turkic than Göktürks. Their Ashina tribe was revered as scion of Gods by Turkic/Turkicized people for centuries, many Ashinas served in the Tang military itself.

Turkic originated from a tribe called ASHNA in the north of Xiongnu, belonging to mixtribe.
Four historical books in China have clearly recorded the origin of Turkic:
1. Volume 99 of <Bei Shi>(北史) compiled by Li Yanshou, a historian of the Tang Dynasty.
2. Volume 50 of <ZhouShu>(周书) compiled by Tang Dynasty historian LingHu DeMin.
3. Volume 4 of <YouYang ZaZu>(酉阳杂俎) compiled by Duan Chengshi, a historian of the Tang Dynasty.
4. Volume 84 of <SuiShu>(隋书) compiled by sun Wuji, Prime Minister of the Tang Dynasty

Anlushan's father is Sogdian, and he was a Sogdian noble officer.
The history of Sogdian is far older than that of Turks. They are 西域 people under the rule of the emperor of the Han Dynasty.
Anlushan's mother is indeed a Turk, a Turkic female slave of his father. but East Asian tradition is to inherit paternal blood.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Huns were Hindus.

That is open to question and I would disagree as even the term 'Hindu' is a British classification of recent origin. But even if we agree it was Hindu how has that anything to do with India? Is India another term for Hindu religion? If so why you need to claim Nepal which is actually more Hindu by % then India and other places like Bali and South East Asia.

 

[magra]

Existence of term is not proof of much. My surname 'Ali' existed 1000 years ago but I certainly did not. It would be delusional if I begin believing I existed just because I came across the mention of 'Ali' in some obscure writing from 1000 years ago.

The term Asia also existed but that does not mean if Pakistan had chosen the name 'Asia' she could then claim she existed 3,000 years ago because the term was found in some old writing. What you people do is see dots and then join them all to reify the idea of India as you want to in 2021. Sort of reverse engineer the British Raj [which you guys wrongly regard as modern India] to the past.

The vast geography known today as South Asia was rarely ever united and over this landmass existed dozens of histories which followed their own trajectory much like Europe even if at odd points events overlapped many.

The real reason why India was invaded so often is because it did not exist. It's like asking today why was Africa invaded so often. The reason is Africa is just a continent. If Africa had been one united entity it would probably never have been invaded. As it is Egypt was invaded but rest of Africa slept through unaware. Then Sudan got invaded, same thing. Then Tanzania got invaded, same thing.

India or Hindustan or Bharat were not just terms. Arabs and Europeans tried to fight best routes for this land. This South Asian landmass is bordered by Himalayas in the north, the ocean on the south, jungles on the east and Hindukush on the west. This separation allowed for a separate culture to develop here, vastly different from neighboring China.

That is open to question and I would disagree as even the term 'Hindu' is a British classification of recent origin. But even if we agree it was Hindu how has that anything to do with India? Is India another term for Hindu religion? If so why you need to claim Nepal which is actually more Hindu by % then India and other places like Bali and South East Asia.

The term 'Hindu' also predates British. It was originally a demographic term as anyone residing this side of Sindhu river were called Hindus by the Persians. Later, when Muslims came in, they differentiated themselves from locals. Thats when Hindu started to be identified through religious lens.

Nepal was not part of British rule, hence it did not form part of India after independence. However, like Sikkim, it is free to join India if it wants.

st to clarify British India was a British colonial construct made by British soldiers and ruled by British officials and subject to the British crown - or British Raj. It included huge geography that included at various times -

• Burma [Myanmar]
• Singapore [Straits Settlement]
• UAE [ Trucial states]
• Yemen [Aden]
• India
• Bangladesh
• Pakistan

In 1947 the Raj was dissolved and the successors states came into existence. Modern Indians's think they are British India which is a fallacy. They are one piece of the British Raj which happened to carry over the name.

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India is the largest component of British India and is proud to claim all the legacy of the erstwhile area of British India. But this legacy may not be exclusive. You are free to claim it too.

 

[MH.Yang]

1. Gandhara was non-Iranic Indo-Aryan prior to Hephthalites and even then, Huns were Hindus. In fact, it can be argued Pakhtuns Pakhtunized/Iranized native population of Gandhara, modern KPK.
Gandhara - Wikipedia
Mihirakula - Wikipedia


2. There's only one Afghan dynasty ruling Delhi, that too Turko-Afghan Khalajs.


It seems that even the remote descendants of Khalajs do not reside in Pakistan. Sad for wannabe invaders.


Sogidian AND Göktürk. Göktürks were the first Türks to have established an empire, they Turkicized different tribes all over Eurasia and thus are the reason of existence of all Turkic nations today. You can't get more Turkic than Göktürks. Their Ashina tribe was revered as scion of Gods by Turkic/Turkicized people for centuries, many Ashinas served in the Tang military itself.

Wait, you mean only need speaking Turkic is a Turkic tribe? In other words, Turks are a nation marked by culture, not by descent?

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Many Chinese history fans asked an interesting question. Since all ancient invaders came from Khyber Pass, why didn't Indians build a wall to block the pass? Ancient Chinese built thousands kilometers wall at north border. Ancient Indians just needed to build a short wall at this key spot.

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There was never really an "Indian identity" until the British created it. Also the Khyber pass was not seen as a border. The regions of East Afghanistan were ethno-culturally linked with the regions across the Khyber Pass.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why are you using British drawn boundaries for events from 2,000 years ago when even the idea of India did not exist? You have fallen for the bullshit peddled by Indians who have conjured up this myth called 'Ancient India' when such a thing never existed. Khyber Pass is in Pakistan and you might as well ask the question 'Why Ancient Pakistan's did not build a wall at Khbyer Pass' to which my answer would be because eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan were one civilization and entity called Gandhara and Khyber Pass was major connecting hub - not a border!

As recent events have shown, the country with which Pakistan shares the most in common with in terms of race, genetics, culture, heritage and shared history is Afghanistan. In fact for most of recorded history, Pakistan and Afghanistan were one nation, one civilisation.