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China and USSR took different paths,there is absolutely no comparison between them.
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Brits left because having India as colony was not beneficial any more and BIAFs loyalty was in question due to mutiny like in 1946 on warship talwar
i don't deny Gandhiji's contribution though
Poverty in the Middle Ages
However in the Middle Ages poverty was common. England was basically a subsistence economy where each village made most of the things it needed and most of the population were subsistence farmers. They grew as much food as their families needed (if they were lucky).
Surprisingly, perhaps, examining Medieval skeletons shows that most people had an adequate diet, except in times of famine.
However life must have been very hard for the disabled. There were many disabled beggars in Medieval towns.
The Church tried to help the poor. The Church taught that it was a Christian duty to give to the poor. In monasteries a monk called an almoner gave alms to the poor. However in the Middle Ages fearful poverty was an inescapable part of life.
Things did improve after the Black Death of 1348-49. In England about one third of the population died. Afterwards there was a shortage of workers so wages rose. In the 15th century wage labourers were better off then in the 13th century.
A History of Poverty
My list of Why China > Soviet Union
Aside from nuking the crap out of everybody, which the Soviet Union wins hands down, China is clearly superior to the Soviet Union.
1. China is still here after 5,000 years. The Soviet Union was born in 1917 and died in 1991. It's like a mayfly. It disappeared in the blink of one person's lifetime.
2. China's GDP will hit $8 trillion this year. At its peak, the Soviet Union only managed a $1 trillion GDP in 1983. (See GDP milestones)
3. China can co-exist with the United States. China seeks cooperation with the West. The Soviet Union sought confrontation and wanted to export communist revolution.
4. China is a business. China Inc. seeks win-win solutions. The Soviet Union was an aggressive and expanding conqueror. It finally invaded one too many countries in Afghanistan (1979-1989) and died there.
5. Chinese technological achievements surpass the Soviet Union in many areas. Some examples are world's fastest supercomputer (which the Soviet Union was never good at), world's fastest high-speed-rail (HSR), billion-dollar oil-rigs (which the Soviets could never build), and destroyers with AESA radars.
6. Everyone knows China will conduct a Moon landing around 2025. The Soviets could never accomplish this feat.
7. Chinese Jialong submersible passed 7,000 meters, which is beyond Soviet capabilities.
8. No Soviet city ever looked like Shanghai or Shenzhen.
9. China can build modern 10,000-pound satellites with 32 transponders and a 15-year-lifetime. The Soviets were never good at building satellites. Their satellites were primitive.
10. China's rocket-launch record of 1.5 failures during the last 15 years is reliability that the Soviets could never hope to match.
It is unfair to compare the technological achievements of the Soviets and the Chinese - the Soviets were cutting edge in many fields - especially space exploration and satellite technology even surpassing the Americans at times. No one can take that away from them. While commendable, the Chinese have not matched American technical prowess in space technology.
GDP Per Capita Income on PPP in January 1991
Russia: $9116.6
India: $871.73
China: $793.52
Russia GDP per capita PPP
There is simply no comparison between China and the SU or even current russia. China has far surpassed them in economic terms. In terms of military tech I think it will take another 10-15 years to surpass the russains, but ultimately it will happen and there is no stopping them. And yes population is always is factor and a building birthrate in the west is also at china's advantage. Hope china quickly abolishes the 1 child policy and allow a free choice to how kids a couple wants. After neither land nor resource is a problem for china now.
Why China > Soviet Union - The Daily Beast
"Why China > Soviet Union
by Ryan Prior Jun 26, 2012 12:30 PM EDT
Members of the Guards of Honour of the Three Services of the Chinese People's Liberation Army march during a training session at a barracks in Beijing on July 21, 2011 (LIU JIN / AFP / Getty Images)
This week Michael Cembalest, chairman of market and investment strategy at JP Morgan, published a research letter with a graph showing the history of the world by GDP. It inspired Derek Thompson at The Atlantic to write a great series of posts. The charts show that population was the primary determinant of prosperity in pre-industrial society, but after the 1800s, productivity became significantly more important:
Even from just a cursory look at Cembalest's original chart, another interesting trend is visible:
Russia, which has a population approximately half of the U.S. (140 million), never rivaled U.S. GDP throughout the Cold War. China today boasts a greater share of world GDP than the Soviets ever did at their 1950s peak. And the Chinese share only shows signs of growing ever more.
Two important differences in the emerging U.S.-China rivalry as compared to the U.S.-Soviet one. 1.) The Chinese population is more than three times the U.S. population, while ours was double that of Russia. 2.) Chinese GDP is now booming as Soviet GDP never did."
Soviet union never bow down and beg for support from US-NATO in any war.
look, techs of SU were fit in comparison to US, and many times they exceeded performance of US also. China will be said to be truly superior to SU only when they will reach a level when they will have coped with current US in terms of techs and exceeding also, like how SU was in 80s. people say that India was dependent on SU for defense techs and space research techs but have a look on even Germany/ Japan, they are also dependent on US for defense and space research to an extent even right now. and in 80s, we do accept that India got favor from SU but if China couldnt earn that type of favor then it was their fault to live with poor defense techs in 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and its they to blame to reach space just few years before while an Indian had reached the space in 80s?
India and China were similarly affected due to Western Organized Wars in between 19th to mid 20th century. neither of these two countries were left with enough capabilities . and SU was having equal status as US till 1990. and until China exceed the performance of US, they can't be said to be above SU. and I expect them to do so within next 10-12 years but it will be a tough task indeed
Good points. But he will continue to be myopic in this.And yet your foreign policy is unable to do half of what USSR could do or even what today's Russia can do. By trading you cannot simply become a power. If it was that easy, Japan and Korea would have been 2 more quasi-superpowers decades before you came into the forefront. I am talking about pure capabilities. You share the trading trait a lot with the Japanese and Koreans.
But there's always more to it than just economy and trading or even for that matter military. You know what is that? Being ready to be a cushion for allies and ability to influence country-to-country decisions. China has a long way to go before that. Forget USSR, today's Russia has far more geopolitical respect than you could ever have. USSR is beyond your reach.
China and USSR took different paths,there is absolutely no comparison between them.
And yet your foreign policy is unable to do half of what USSR could do or even what today's Russia can do. By trading you cannot simply become a power. If it was that easy, Japan and Korea would have been 2 more quasi-superpowers decades before you came into the forefront. I am talking about pure capabilities. You share the trading trait a lot with the Japanese and Koreans.
But there's always more to it than just economy and trading or even for that matter military. You know what is that? Being ready to be a cushion for allies and ability to influence country-to-country decisions. China has a long way to go before that. Forget USSR, today's Russia has far more geopolitical respect than you could ever have. USSR is beyond your reach.