Why Chennai can't and won't speak Hindi

[Vyom]

Tinamen was an armed revolt sponsored by CIA.Not a joke.What western media is mythology like how they are showing al qaeda in Syria as freedom fighter.

Check Voltaire network archives on tienanmen square.

I agree that there was a foreign support to Tienanmen Protests. My doubts are about the armed revolt as the Chinese civilians are not allowed to have them. Still we have the Naxals in India we don't turn our tanks on them, its the way it was dealt with. The police should have taken control not the army.

I am bit skeptical about Voltaire network, Some are true others are just conspiracy theories. So as much I would like to believe it, a part me wouldn't.

 

[vk1111]

I agree that there was a foreign support to Tienanmen Protests. My doubts are about the armed revolt as the Chinese civilians are not allowed to have them. Still we have the Naxals in India we don't turn our tanks on them, its the way it was dealt with. The police should have taken control not the army.

I am bit skeptical about Voltaire network, Some are true others are just conspiracy theories. So as much I would like to believe it, a part me wouldn't.

Go see the pictures from AFP of Tiennamen protests The USA’s decades long war against China
by Robert S. Rodvik part 2..there were Apc,buses and soldiers killed by the so called protestors....would you call kashmiri separatist freedom fighter?

Second ,voltaire is a lot better than western media these days,Western media is lying about Libor scandal,Real Debt situation of Europe,Snowden scandal,Al qaeda in Syria etc... Sorry,but Voltaire is a lot better and has given on ground coverage of al qaeda in Syria ,unlike western media.

Conspiracy theory or call it whatever you like ,but it is better than propaganda which media is spouting .

My doubts are about the armed revolt as the Chinese civilians are not allowed to have them

So how were chinese soldiers burnt to the crisp and how did protestors destroy Armored personnel carriers?

 

[Vyom]

Go see the pictures from AFP of Tiennamen protests The USA’s decades long war against China
by Robert S. Rodvik part 2..there were Apc,buses and soldiers killed by the so called protestors....would you call kashmiri separatist freedom fighter?

Second ,voltaire is a lot better than western media these days,Western media is lying about Libor scandal,Real Debt situation of Europe,Snowden scandal,Al qaeda in Syria etc... Sorry,but Voltaire is a lot better and has given on ground coverage of al qaeda in Syria ,unlike western media.

Conspiracy theory or call it whatever you like ,but it is better than propaganda which media is spouting .


So how were chinese soldiers burnt to the crisp and how did protestors destroy Armored personnel carriers?

Hmm, I guess I'll have to give it (VN) a clean look again. I hope its betters my opinion this time.

"One man's terrorist in another man's freedom fighter." To me they are terrorists.

 

[vk1111]

Hmm, I guess I'll have to give it (VN) a clean look again. I hope its betters my opinion this time.

"One man's terrorist in another man's freedom fighter." To me they are terrorists.

Who are terrorists?

 

[navtrek]

Why Chennai can't and won't speak Hindi
HyappY!: Why Chennai can't and won't speak Hindi

Recently, I’ve been barraged on facebook with status messages from my friends who when to Chennai for their summer internships. To summarize all the status messages in one line, people weren’t exactly happy with Chennaites not being able to speak in Hindi. To all those people, let me ask you a simple question –why should they?

People who can speak only Hindi expect that everyone else in India should speak Hindi and this is based on the assumption that Hindi is the national language of India and it should stand true to its name by being spoken across the country. Allow me to correct such beliefs by quoting that as per the constitution of India, Hindi is not the national language. In fact, India doesn’t have a national language and it doesn’t need one. This fact acknowledged by Gujarat High court as well. So it would be prudent to lower the expectations which were supported by a myth rather than a fact.

Now to the most important question. Why won’t Chennai learn Hindi? There is a two edged answer to this.

One – Love of Tamil. Do you know that Tamil is the only classical language (amongst the eight in the world) still to be in practice? Being more than 2300 years old, the language has stood its time and is currently spoken by more than 8 crore people across the world. It even has official status in three countries other than India. Sanskrit, India’s oldest language and mother of Hindi couldn’t do that. Why? Because People just love the Tamil language. Fortunately or unfortunately, the language is very close to the people than you can imagine. And this reflects in being supportive any to Tamil community outside the country irrespective of what is right or wrong. Read this article by an American Professor why he thinks that Tamil deserves the classical language status.

Two – Fear. The more you love something, the more you’ll be afraid that you’ll lose it one day. And you’ll do everything at your power to protect what you love dearly. That’s what people in actual power in 1960s did by opposing point blank to the proposal of making Hindi as the national language based on the fear that nationalizing Hindi will slowly erode Tamil. A fair and a justified fear.

There are several points that I can put forward to enforce my side of the argument.

If you travel to Tokyo/Beijing, do you expect people to speak in Hindi? Obviously not Hindi when you can’t expect them to know English either! Will you complain that English is a global language and they should have known it? On the same note, why should you expect someone in Tamil Nadu to do so? Because, it is a part of India? The greatest strength of India is its diversity in languages and sustainable cultural diversity. Don’t try to nullify that strength by expecting the entire nation to speak in a single language.

If you are moving to a land that doesn’t speak the language you do, the onus is on you to learn the new language and not the other way around. When I moved to Hyderabad, I knew neither Telugu nor Hindi, but I managed to learn a bit of both. And even in Mumbai, I managed to survive with the half cooked Hindi I knew. Most importantly, you should have sorry-i-don’t-know-please-help-me attitude and not something like god-you-dont-know-hindi. The latter will get you nowhere.

And finally it comes to personal choice. Nobody in this country stops anyone from learning Hindi. It’s just people don’t choose to.

The above arguments are not only for Tamil. It stands true for other regional languages such as Telugu (another language that I’m very fond of), Kannada, and Bengali which are much older than Hindi and boasts of richer literature. These regional languages have stood their time too and I would watch with glee when they make it to the classical status as well. It's sad that Indian government has done nothing to further the growth of the regional languages across the country. And the state governments take it upon themselves to protect the language and their actions sometimes come as being fanatic (sometimes they really are!).

I do agree that not knowing Hindi does add to the communication problem when people from different region interact. But I would prefer the solution in the form of English rather than Hindi. My rational is that English is already the language of the world and it has reached almost every part of the world. So why can’t English be the unified language in India? Why Hindi when it’s penetration in India is less successful than English? Think and think hard!

And remember both our national anthem and national song are in Bengali!

Thanks for the post nice read India is beautiful and I know Hindi + all southern languages (Kannada(mother tongue)+Tamil+Telugu+Malayalam) +Sanskrit.

I reply to people in which ever language they are comfortable This is the spirit of Bangalore.

This diversity makes India so beautiful.

 

[Wholegrain]

Manchus language got extinct after Communist rule came to China. Manchus stopped speaking Manchu out of fear of getting persecuted.

In China, the Forgotten Manchu Seek to Rekindle Their Glory - WSJ.com

The article is full of sh*t. The Great Wall was built by the Ming to keep the Oirat Mongols out, not Manchus.

Compendium of the World's Languages: Ladakhi to Zuni - George L. Campbell - Google knygos

By the late eighteenth century Manchu had ceased to be a spoken language in the Manchu court and administration

and dumbo, the extinction of Manchu as a spoken language happened during Qing rule.

The Manchu Way

Cultural Hybridity in Manchu Bannermen Tales (zidishu). - Suet Ying Chiu - Google knygos

All bannermen from the Eight Banners, whether they were ethnic Manchu, Mongol, or Han, were recognized as Manchu people.

Manchus and Han

 

[INDIC]

The article is full of sh*t. The Great Wall was built by the Ming to keep the Oirat Mongols out, not Manchus.

Compendium of the World's Languages: Ladakhi to Zuni - George L. Campbell - Google knygos

By the late eighteenth century Manchu had ceased to be a spoken language in the Manchu court and administration

and dumbo, the extinction of Manchu as a spoken language happened during Qing rule.

Your reference is only talking about the ceasing of Manchu language in court and administration by the Royal family, not about the common Manchus.

 

[Wholegrain]

Your reference is only talking about the ceasing of Manchu language in court and administration by the Royal family, not about the common Manchus.

All common Manchus were members of the Eight Banners. Most Bannermen were all stationed in Han dominated cities and they all lost the ability to speak Manchu.

 

[INDIC]

All common Manchus were members of the Eight Banners. Most Bannermen were all stationed in Han dominated cities and they all lost the ability to speak Manchu.

Can you prove that Manchus stopped speaking Manchu language before 1950, the map speak something else.

 

[Fattyacids]

All common Manchus were members of the Eight Banners. Most Bannermen were all stationed in Han dominated cities and they all lost the ability to speak Manchu.

Do you know where he picked that up? A news article from WSJ, the same article also talks about minority oppression in China. How credible?
That's all he does, quoting from wikipedia, news and blog, then use them to distort chinese history, coming up with his own definition of a Chinese and where our border should be. I'm not sure if he even has a proper university education. He might be semi-retarded.

 

[Wholegrain]

Can you prove that Manchus stopped speaking Manchu language before 1950, the map speak something else.

Those are autonmous counties, dumbo, they don't show percentage of manchu speakers.

 

[INDIC]

Do you know where he picked that up? A news article from WSJ, the same article also talks about minority oppression in China. How credible?
That's all he does, quoting from wikipedia, news and blog, then use them to distort chinese history, coming up with his own definition of a Chinese and where our border should be. I'm not sure if he even has a proper university education. He might be semi-retarded.

Hey can you tell me about this.
Govt orders limits on Cantonese in media - People's Daily Online

Those are autonmous counties, dumbo, they don't show percentage of manchu speakers.

Still today, they mostly live in Northern China. You claimed they spread across all over China.

 

[illusion8]

The TRUTH is the TRUTH and it doesn't matter who's opinion it is !

Even if he is a Pakistani and he is just lying through his teeth?

 

[Wholegrain]

Still today, they mostly live in Northern China. You claimed they spread across all over China.

Liaoning, Hebei and Beijing, were Han dominated areas before the Qing dynasty and still are today. They are part of northern China. The Manchu bannermen moved into there from Jilin and Heilonjiang (the provinces on the Russian and Korean borders) and they adopted Chinese language. Most of them do not live in their ancestral homeland in Heilongjiang and Jilin.

 

[jetti]

Im a tamilian. and I read write and speak hindi. there are millions like me in tn.
anti-hindi was 1960s politics. that will soon die out when the DMK chief dies. TN people also watch Bollywood , they also know that knowledge of a lnaguage is better than not having knowledge.