Why Armenia And Serbia Might Seek Iranian Drones

[Titanium100]

There's one more thing that a lot of you guys forget:

Azerbaijan invaded Armenia proper in 2021 and still holds some kilometers of Armenian land. They even built outposts there.

It was due to demarcation issues which was due to it never being properly demarcated but the Azeris were always inside their territories according to google and UN Maps

 

[SalarHaqq]

This is mental gymnastic Salarhaqq. You circled many areas and circled back to the same conclusion.

If Aliyev wants Zangezur militarily why has he not taken it yet? Do you think that the Elite in Iran believe he will move on Zangezur because if they did they would be dumb.

The regime in Baku is openly sending signals suggestive of a desire to annex Zangezur. I shared a glaring example in my previous post.

Diplomatic norms command that Iran respond to these signals, no matter how realistic or unrealistic they are. Which is exactly what the Supreme Leader did. It's politics 101.

Hence this was for local consumption and the same thing with iranians it was for local consumption.

See above as to why the addressee of the statement was the Baku republic.

If you wanna know what a redline means is Egypt's recent redline in Sirte or Turkey coming into Syria or Iraq that is a proper redline. An official redline is only issued when there is a risk but other then that it would be for local consumption and it is also issued in realistic scenarios.

It also needs to be issued when a party keeps resorting to verbal threats.

Why would Russia fail on Armenia? Are you suggesting they are untrustworthy. No that is not the case but it was just the local consumption bogus line is what is untrustworthy done in improper way for public consumption nothing more to see here

You're welcome to put this to Turkish users in this thread, who appear to believe Baku will inevitably invade Zangezur sooner or later.

Likewise, by your own logic it's actually the Baku republic which is keen on making statements for public consumption. Seeing how it's recurrently touting a plan which you're deeming to be utterly fictitious.

Iranian authorities for their part have a duty to address such signals coming out of Baku at one point, regardless of their credibility. Especially in light of Baku's strategic cooperation with the zionists. This is relating to international affairs not to domestic politics.

As for Russia, it's not about being trustworthy or not. States act in their own interests and when it comes to major matters of national security no independent government should be content with banking on others, quite simply.

 

[Titanium100]

You can pitch that to any sane Turkish person they don't believe in that and so does Aliyev why would he negotiate for a corridor agreement if he believed in otherwise to begin with.

Another example of proper redline is China in 1950 which lead to the creation of North Korea and technically North Korea came to being out of a Chinese redline.

Even the CSTO itself is a proper redline and so is all NATO treaties and so is Azerbaijan's defense treaty with Turkey etc etc. these are technically redlines on paper.

Anything else like Greece saying if Romania takes a region out of Bulgaria that is not a proper redline. You can't issue a redline for a NATO country or CSTO country it is redundant unless it was for local consumption

 

[Foinikas]

It was due to demarcation issues which was due to it never being properly demarcated but the Azeris were always inside their territories according to google and UN Maps

Nope.

It was this:

 

[SalarHaqq]

Anything else like Greece saying if Romania takes a region out of Bulgaria that is not a proper redline. You can't issue a redline for a NATO country or CSTO country it is redundant unless it was for local consumption

It was a direct response to rhetoric emanating from Baku, its aimed audience therefore was the Republic of Azarbaijan. Such rhetoric is not left unanswered in international practice. If a government touts territorial annexation of a neighbor's land that is detrimental to your core interests, you need to issue a statement in response regardless of how credible the threat really is. In international politics there's the realm of action and then there's the realm of discourse, a government cannot vacate any one of these.

 

[LegionnairE]

You can pitch that to any sane Turkish person they don't believe in that and so does Aliyev why would he negotiate for a corridor agreement if he believed in otherwise to begin with.

Another example of proper redline is China in 1950 which lead to the creation of North Korea and technically North Korea came to being out of a Chinese redline.

Even the CSTO itself is a proper redline and so is all NATO treaties and so is Azerbaijan's defense treaty with Turkey etc etc. these are technically redlines on paper.

Anything else like Greece saying if Romania takes a region out of Bulgaria that is not a proper redline. You can't issue a redline for a NATO country or CSTO country it is redundant unless it was for local consumption

Sooner or later Azerbaijan will march into Zangezur. Yes Armenia is a CSTO member but according to the 2020 treaty Azerbaijan is entitled to those lands and Russia signed it.

Nope.

It was this:

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Armenia crying about "invaded territory" is very, very funny.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Sooner or later Azerbaijan will march into Zangezur.

Which would trigger Iranian intervention.

Yes Armenia is a CSTO member but according to the 2020 treaty Azerbaijan is entitled to those lands and Russia signed it.

It isn't. The 2020 ceasefire agreement does not cede Armenian territory to the Baku republic. It only allows Baku to use a route through sovereign Armenian land in order to link up with Nakhjavan.

The article in question reads:

How is the above supposed to be stipulating a transfer of sovereignty over Zangezur? Such a notion is simply not contained in the agreement by any stretch.

Terms are clear, and what they call for is unobstructed movement on the road and railway connecting mainland Baku republic with the Nakhjavan autonomous region. As well as the construction of new transport routes if agreed by all parties to the accord. That does not suddenly turn the location of said infrastructures and surrounding areas into Azarbaijani territory. A right of passage isn't synonymous with ownership.

 

[Muhammed45]

If you honestly believe that Iran could even touch a cm² of Azeri territory without provoking a massive Turkish reaction, you're just hopelessly caught in an Iranian web of propaganda and lies.

The Armenians lost because they were lazy and dependent on foreigners to save their asses. Moreover, they were overlooking the simple fact that Baku, too, has important leverage in Moscow to this day. The Russians don't care about religion, ethnicity and culture as long as you can pay them. Which Russian politician is going to care about Armenians when the Russian military is literally slaughtering their own people in Ukraine?

Afterall, the human history is full of examples similar to the Armenian experience.

If you outsource your national security, you will pay the price at the end of the day and the price will be determined by others.

Its really nice to see you are so sensitive about Azeri soil, kinda exciting me

 

[lydian fall]

If you honestly believe that Iran could even touch a cm² of Azeri territory without provoking a massive Turkish reaction, you're just hopelessly caught in an Iranian web of propaganda and lies.

The Armenians lost because they were lazy and dependent on foreigners to save their asses. Moreover, they were overlooking the simple fact that Baku, too, has important leverage in Moscow to this day. The Russians don't care about religion, ethnicity and culture as long as you can pay them. Which Russian politician is going to care about Armenians when the Russian military is literally slaughtering their own people in Ukraine?

Afterall, the human history is full of examples similar to the Armenian experience.

If you outsource your national security, you will pay the price at the end of the day and the price will be determined by others.

Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia belong to Iran for thousands of years

Who's dogs you Persianized, Turkified Greeks are you?

If northern boarders of Iran get blockaded Iran will retake both Armenia and Azerbaijan and if Greeks from Western side meddle it will get flattened by Immortal Persian Empire

 

[Battlion25]

Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia belong to Iran for thousands of years

Who's dogs you Persianized, Turkified Greeks are you?

If northern boarders of Iran get blockaded Iran will retake both Armenia and Azerbaijan and if Greeks meddle it will get flattened by Iranian Empire

The war will come to you directly rest assured you ain't seizing but you will end up fighting for your life.. Forget Zangazur you will be attacked from that area and you are the price.. Plot twist

 

[lydian fall]

The war will come to you directly rest assured you ain't seizing but you will end up fighting for your life.. Forget Zangazur you will be attacked from that area and you are the price.. Plot twist

Iran is not a 72 years old state with trillions of problems , nor Turkish thanksgiving sparrow is 1.2 billion India, nor a super power like the US Russia China or even Japan

Iran has warned them not to change/blockade Iran's northern borders to Europe

If they start to blockade Iranian access to Armenia, Russia and Europe they will be the massive losers!

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Its really nice to see you are so sensitive about Azeri soil, kinda exciting me

Why not? It's basically ours.

 

[LegionnairE]

Which would trigger Iranian intervention.

If Iranians want to die for Armenia, that's their choice.
It makes me sad that Iran will be destroyed, but you can't save people from their own stupidity. Maybe something better will rise from the ashes of the Islamic republic that many Iranians aren't happy with anyway.

It isn't. The 2020 ceasefire agreement does not cede Armenian territory to the Baku republic. It only allows Baku to use a route through sovereign Armenian land in order to link up with Nakhjavan.

The article in question reads:

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How is the above supposed to be stipulating a transfer of sovereignty over Zangezur? Such a notion is simply not contained in the agreement by any stretch.

Terms are clear, and what they call for is unobstructed movement on the road and railway connecting mainland Baku republic with the Nakhjavan autonomous region. As well as the construction of new transport routes if agreed by all parties to the accord. That does not suddenly turn the location of said infrastructures and surrounding areas into Azarbaijani territory. A right of passage isn't synonymous with ownership.

I know. And since the terms of the treaty weren't upheld by Armenia, it gives Azerbaijan Justification to enforce these terms by force.

Which they will.

 

[Muhammed45]

Why not? It's basically ours.

You lay claim on Azerbaijan, Iran can lay claim on the whole Turkey from historic point of view. Let's not open a discussion like that.

But i don't, in any way, want your supoort for Azerbaijan to be reduced. Good going!.

 

[SalarHaqq]

If Iranians want to die for Armenia, that's their choice.

For their own national security and territorial integrity. Nothing to do with Armenia whatsoever. Illegal expansionism by the zionist-hosting regime in Baku would repersent a direct security threat to Iran herself and would therefore be dealt with, rest assured.

It makes me sad that Iran will be destroyed, but you can't save people from their own stupidity. Maybe something better will rise from the ashes of the Islamic republic that many Iranians aren't happy with anyway.

The regime in Baku would collapse several times before anything of the sort happens.

I know. And since the terms of the treaty weren't upheld by Armenia, it gives Azerbaijan Justification to enforce these terms by force.

Which they will.

Terms which do not include Baku controlling or annexing the area. So if they attempt anything of the sort, they'll be having serious consequences to face.

Including in all probability from Russia whose forces they'd need to forcibly remove. Not that Iran responding would depend on whether or not Russia steps in though.