Why Armenia And Serbia Might Seek Iranian Drones

[SalarHaqq]

They will leave for me ? Send the females only.

Leave dancing for you to practice since judging by your comment it seems to be your cup of tea. Nobody will have any interest to associate themselves with it.

 

[Shams313]

Agreed. You're smarter than most on this forum.


Lol. Ummah died when arabs sided with the British against Turkey.

They've been getting bitchslapped by Israel ever since.

Lawrance of shithole

 

[HGV]

Your mother.

I drink a coke everyday, so that Israel can wipe off arabs.

Whine like a bitch, cgi soldier.

@waz

 

[KediKesenFare3]

If you honestly believe that Iran could even touch a cm² of Azeri territory without provoking a massive Turkish reaction, you're just hopelessly caught in an Iranian web of propaganda and lies.

The Armenians lost because they were lazy and dependent on foreigners to save their asses. Moreover, they were overlooking the simple fact that Baku, too, has important leverage in Moscow to this day. The Russians don't care about religion, ethnicity and culture as long as you can pay them. Which Russian politician is going to care about Armenians when the Russian military is literally slaughtering their own people in Ukraine?

Afterall, the human history is full of examples similar to the Armenian experience.

If you outsource your national security, you will pay the price at the end of the day and the price will be determined by others.

 

[SalarHaqq]

If you honestly believe that Iran could even touch a cm² of Azeri territory without provoking a massive Turkish reaction, you're just hopelessly caught in an Iranian web of propaganda and lies.

If internationally recognized Armenian territory is invaded by the Baku republic, then Iran will step in to prevent it or to retaliate in one way or another. Sovereign Azari territory is not Iran's concern, expansionism by Baku beyond its legal borders would be.

The Russians don't care about religion, ethnicity and culture as long as you can pay them. Which Russian politician is going to care about Armenians when the Russian military is literally slaughtering their own people in Ukraine?

They are careful about their national security. Moscow won't welcome any NATO member gaining direct access to the Caspian Sea.

 

[Foinikas]

The Armenians lost because they were lazy and dependent on foreigners to save their asses.

No,it was because they had old equipment and old doctrines. They also had a corrupt and incompetent government that displeased the Russians. They spent their small budget in buying systems they didn't need.

 

[Titanium100]

If internationally recognized Armenian territory is invaded by the Baku republic, then Iran will step in to prevent it or to retaliate in one way or another. Sovereign Azari territory is not Iran's concern, expansionism by Baku beyond its legal borders would be.



They are careful about their national security. Moscow won't welcome any NATO member gaining direct access to the Caspian Sea.

This is a deluded redline... Lmao! You know it yourself because it is as baseless as it comes..

This is laughable first of all you won't do shxt if Zangazur is taken and second of all you damn well know that Armenia is CSTO hence you fully know that Azerbaijan is never gonna force to take militarily a CSTO territory?

Hence where is the REDLINE.. Absolutely bullsxit and you have been repeating a lie. You are actully disrespecting the Russians and as if they don't have bases thru out Armenia and as if they can't honor their CSTO guaraantorship.

It is like drawing into the sand bogus line it is like Algeria saying we will take on Spain if it invades Gibralta (British territory)

No,it was because they had old equipment and old doctrines. They also had a corrupt and incompetent government that displeased the Russians. They spent their small budget in buying systems they didn't need.

The Iranians aren't your friends man. Serbia has capitulated to NATO and looking to join EU and you know this yourself and Armenia is going that path

 

[SalarHaqq]

This is a deluded redline... Lmao! You know it yourself because it is as baseless as it comes..

This is laughable first of all you won't do shxt with Zangazur is taken and second of all you damn well know that Armenia

I know that such an eventuality, should it ever come about, will be countered by Iran one way or another. Cannot predict the exact tactics Iran will opt for but there will be a reaction.

is CSTO hence you fully know that Azerbaijan is never gonna force to take militarily a CSTO territory?

Hence where is the REDLINE.. Absolutely bullsxit and you have been repeating a lie

Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution defined it as a red line - this is factual, not a lie.

 

[Foinikas]

The Iranians aren't your friends man. Serbia has capitulated to NATO and looking to join EU and you know this yourself and Armenia is going that path

A war between Iran and Turkey would be very interesting.

 

[Titanium100]

I know that such an eventuality, should it ever come about, will be countered by Iran one way or another. Cannot predict the exact tactics Iran will opt for but there will be a reaction.



Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution defined it as a red line - this is factual, not a lie.

Only for local consumption I believe since they couldn't do much to assist Armenia in Karabakh.. For the Ayatollah fully knows this is not feasible for the Azeris unless they wanna fight Russia

 

[SalarHaqq]

Only for publicity and local consumption I believe since they couldn't do much to assist Armenia in Karabakh..

Iran never tried to assist local Karabakh Armenians in their conflicts against Azarbaijan. During the first Karabakh war, Iran actually intervened in favor of the Baku republic.

Also the Leader won't define red lines merely for PR reasons. His policy announcements in the national security realm are to be taken seriously.

For the Ayatollah fully knows this is not feasible for the Azeris unless they wanna fight Russia

Which would join my reply to user KediKesenFare3: I doubt Russia would welcome such a development.

Supreme Leader Khamenei's announcement implies that if Azarbaijan decided to proceed with such a move, then it'll be dealing not only with Russia but also with Iran.

Considering that photographs were published of Aliyev holding a cardboard map of the Republic of Azarbaijan which incorporated Zangezur, as well as various articles and reports in Baku media laying claim to the territory, it made sense for Iran to issue a statement on the topic.

 

[Titanium100]

Iran never tried to assist local Karabakh Armenians in their conflicts against Azarbaijan. During the first Karabakh war, Iran actually intervened in favor of the Baku republic.

Also the Leader won't define red lines merely for PR reasons. His policy announcements in the national security realm are to be taken seriously.



Which would join my reply to user KediKesenFare3: I doubt Russia would welcome such a development.

Supreme Leader Khamenei's announcement implies that if Azarbaijan decided to proceed with such a move, then it'll be dealing not only with Russia but also with Iran.

Considering that photographs were published of Aliyev holding a cardboard map of the Republic of Azarbaijan which incorporated Zangezur, as well as various articles and reports in Baku media laying claim to the territory, it made sense for Iran to issue a statement on the topic.

It defeats logic itself. Because in what world would Aliyev want to fight the Russians for a corridor inside proper Armenia A CSTO country? Besides The Russians have signed a deal with the Azeris and Armenia for a corridor between Zangazur which will be ethablished which the Iranians are aware off. It was entirely for local consumption post the Karabakh in order to show the please public opinion. It is like saying we will aid Russia thats basically it which is entirely bogus line drawn into the sand. There is CSTO guaraantorship in the first place which means it was local consumption.

Like Holland saying if Sweden takes south Denmark than.. That is not realistic redline but what is means is we aid Russia.. which is something that may never come about in a million years unless Russia falls

 

[SalarHaqq]

It defeats logic itself. Because in what world would Aliyev want to fight the Russians for a corridor inside proper Armenia A CSTO country?

Russian military intervention is a possibility, perhaps a probable one but not an absolute certainty Iran should blindly count on.

If it defeats logic then you ought to put the question to Aliyev, to scores of other politicians in Baku as well as to local media as to why they've been openly touting the annexation of Zangezur.

I mean, this is not made up:

Actual shape of Azarbaijan for comparison:

And here an example of a Baku politician calling into question Armenia's sovereignty over the territory:

http://www.dia.az/8/348753-lham-eliyev-deyir-ki-naxchivana-neden-elimiz-yetmesin-ki.html

Besides The Russians have signed a deal with the Azeris and Armenia for a corridor between Zangazur which will be ethablished which the Iranians are aware off.

It's the 2020 ceasefire agreement. What it stipulates in practice is that in order to link up with its enclave of Nakhjavan, Azarbaijan is allowed to use the road and railway leading through Zangezur on sovereign Armenian land.

So the agreement doesn't modify international borders. Meaning that Baku won't be able to station forces on that territory, nor will it be able to invite zionist or NATO elements in there, in short it won't be in control of Zangezur.

Which from Iran's perspective makes a massive difference compared to Baku annexing that strip of land and using it to whatever effect it pleases.

It was entirely for local consumption post the Karabakh in order to show the please public opinion. It is like saying we will aid Russia thats basically it which is entirely bogus line drawn into the sand. There is CSTO guaraantorship in the first place which means it was local consumption.

Iran should not be expected to rely on another government when it comes to pressing matters of national security and territorial integrity. There's no strict guarantee for Russian military intervention and Iran does well not to bank on it. Even if there was, Iran ought to act by her own initiative given the nature of the issue.

In that sense the Leader's statement made it clear to Baku that even if it was to reach an understanding about its plans for Zangezur with Russia, improbable as it may be, it will face a reaction from Iran either way. Therefore this was a clear message to Baku, not a statement designed for internal consumption.

 

[Titanium100]

Russian military intervention is a possibility, perhaps a probable one but not an absolute certainty Iran should blindly count on.

If it defeats logic, you ought to put the question to Aliyev, to scores of other politicians in Baku as well as to local media as to why they've been openly touting the annexation of Zangezur.

I mean, this is not made up:

Actual shape of Azarbaijan for comparison:

And here an example of a Baku politician calling into question Armenia's sovereignty over the territory:

http://www.dia.az/8/348753-lham-eliyev-deyir-ki-naxchivana-neden-elimiz-yetmesin-ki.html



It's the 2020 ceasefire agreement. What it stipulates is that in order to link up with its enclave of Nakhjavan, Azarbaijan is allowed to use the road and railway leading through Zangezur on sovereign Armenian land.

So the agreement does not change international borders. Meaning that Baku won't be able to station forces on that territory, will not be able to invite zionists or NATO elements there, simply put it will not be in control of it.

From Iran's perspective, this is hugely different from Baku annexing that strip of land and using it to whatever aims it pleases.



Iran should not and will not rely on another government when it comes to pressing matters affecting her national security and territorial integrity. There's no strict guarantee for Russian military intervention and Iran does well not to bank on it. Even if there was, Iran ought to act independently given the nature of the issue.

In that sense the Leader's statement made it clear that even in the eventuality that Baku reached an understanding about its plans for Zangezur with Russia, improbable as it may be, it will face a reaction from Iran either way. This this was a clear message to Baku and not designed for internal consumption.

This is mental gymnastic Salarhaqq. You circled many areas and circled back to the same conclusion.

If Aliyev wants Zangezur militarily why has he not taken it yet? Do you think that the Elite in Iran believe he will move on Zangezur because if they did they would be dumb.

Hence this was for local consumption and the same thing with iranians it was for local consumption.

If you wanna know what a redline means is Egypt's recent redline in Sirte or Turkey coming into Syria or Iraq that is a proper redline. An official redline is only issued when there is a risk but other then that it would be for local consumption and it is also issued in realistic scenarios.

Why would Russia fail on Armenia? Are you suggesting they are untrustworthy. No that is not the case but it was just the local consumption bogus line is what is untrustworthy done in improper way for public consumption nothing more to see here. It is like saying If Greece is attackèd that is our Redline? Who will buy that shxt?

 

[Foinikas]

This is mental gymnastic Salarhaqq. You circled many areas and circled back to the same conclusion.

If Aliyev wants Zangezur militarily why has he not taken it yet? Do you think that the Elite in Iran believe he will move on Zangezur because if they did they would be dumb.

Hence this was for local consumption and the same thing with iranians it was for local consumption.

If you wanna know what a redline means is Egypt's recent redline in Sirte or Turkey coming into Syria or Iraq that is a proper redline. An official redline is only issued when there is a risk but other then that it would be for local consumption and it is also issued in realistic scenarios.

Why would Russia fail on Armenia? Are you suggesting they are untrustworthy. No that is not the case but it was just the local consumption bogus line is what is untrustworthy done in improper way for public consumption nothing more to see here. It is like saying If Greece is attackèd that is our Redline? Who will buy that shxt?

There's one more thing that a lot of you guys forget:

Azerbaijan invaded Armenia proper in 2021 and still holds some kilometers of Armenian land. They even built outposts there.