Why Are Russia And Vietnam Increasing Military Cooperation?

[REhorror]

Vietnam has territorial disputes with Thailand and Cambodia, and Laos has always been vigilant that Vietnam may annex it.
In order to balance Vietnam's influence, the three countries rely on China. China has also gained influence over ASEAN through them.
If China and Vietnam have good relations, the 3 countries will strengthen relations with Russia or USA.

Nah, Vietnam has no territorial disputes with Thailand, it's in fact Cambodia who has territorial disputes with Vietnam (Phu Quoc island), this dispute is officially settled, but because Khmer Rouge sympathizers still roam Cambodia, sometimes troubles are created.

But as long as moderates run Cambodia, all is fine.

 

[MH.Yang]

Nah, Vietnam has no territorial disputes with Thailand, it's in fact Cambodia who has territorial disputes with Vietnam (Phu Quoc island), this dispute is officially settled, but because Khmer Rouge sympathizers still roam Cambodia, sometimes troubles are created.

But as long as moderates run Cambodia, all is fine.

Vietnam and Thailand have bad relations. The 2 countries had 9 year war. Thailand and Vietnam have always had trade disputes, and Thailand's military construction takes Vietnam as an imaginary enemy.
Laos and Vietnam have good relations, but Vietnam has always wanted to annex Laos, and Laos is also vigilant it.
Now Cambodia, Thailand and Laos all use Chinese military equipment and rely on China's market and economy. We can't give up these 3 countries for Vietnam.

Vietnamese are too belligerent, too many Vietnamese have died in the war, even your male to female ratio is 1:2, and all your neighbors are more men than women.
Vietnamese should stop making trouble and focus on developing the economy.

 

[REhorror]

Vietnam and Thailand have bad relations. The 2 countries had 9 year war. Thailand and Vietnam have always had trade disputes, and Thailand's military construction takes Vietnam as an imaginary enemy.
Laos and Vietnam have good relations, but Vietnam has always wanted to annex Laos, and Laos is also vigilant it.
Now Cambodia, Thailand and Laos all use Chinese military equipment and rely on China's market and economy. We can't give up these 3 countries for Vietnam.

Vietnamese are too belligerent, too many Vietnamese have died in the war, even your male to female ratio is 1:2, and all your neighbors are more men than women.
Vietnamese should stop making trouble and focus on developing the economy.

Uh, what troubles? Vietnam has never invaded Thailand, and there aren't any trade disputes between the two countries either.
And no, these countries aren't China to "give up".
And I have to correct you, Vietnam's sex ratio is actually 1:1

https://countrymeters.info/en/Vietnam

Hmm, I wonder who makes these fake news about Vietnam in chinese media.

 

[MH.Yang]

Uh, what troubles? Vietnam has never invaded Thailand, and there aren't any trade disputes between the two countries either.
And no, these countries aren't China to "give up".
And I have to correct you, Vietnam's sex ratio is actually 1:1

https://countrymeters.info/en/Vietnam

Hmm, I wonder who makes these fake news about Vietnam in chinese media.

From March 1979 to July 1988, Thailand destroyed 650 tanks and armored vehicles, 780 ships, killed more than 40000 Vietnamese troops and captured more than 7400 Vietnamese troops. More than 3300 Thai soldiers were killed.

This data comes from Thailand, not China. If Vietnam did not invade Thailand, would Thailand still invade Vietnam?


Now the proportion of Vietnamese men and women has basically returned to normal. However, in 1970s, the ratio of male to female in Vietnam was 1:7, and 1990s, and the ratio of male to female in Vietnam was 1:2. Vietnam has fought with all its neighbors except Laos.

 

[REhorror]

From March 1979 to July 1988, Thailand destroyed 650 tanks and armored vehicles, 780 ships, killed more than 40000 Vietnamese troops and captured more than 7400 Vietnamese troops. More than 3300 Thai soldiers were killed.

This data comes from Thailand, not China. If Vietnam did not invade Thailand, would Thailand still invade Vietnam?

Where are the sources of these data? I suppose they still have some Viet POW to verify this?
Regarding the other question, Thailand has actually invaded Vietnam in ancient times, so maybe. I don't think it has much chance in that tho.

 

[MH.Yang]

Where are the sources of these data? I suppose they still have some Viet POW to verify this?
Regarding the other question, Thailand has actually invaded Vietnam in ancient times, so maybe. I don't think it has much chance in that tho.

Don't talk about ancient things.

It was the Vietnamese invaded Thailand. The truth is that Vietnamese are too belligerent.

 

[IblinI]

Where are the sources of these data? I suppose they still have some Viet POW to verify this?
Regarding the other question, Thailand has actually invaded Vietnam in ancient times, so maybe. I don't think it has much chance in that tho.

You sound genuine so can you clear some doubt for me, what opinions does general Vietnam people hold about VPA running business and what is the vcp's policy about it, because I can see VCP tried to stopped the army but doesn't work it seems.

 

[REhorror]

You sound genuine so can you clear some doubt for me, what opinions does general Vietnam people hold about VPA running business and what is the vcp's policy about it, because I can see VCP tried to stopped the army but doesn't work it seems.

The CPV is OK with it because Viettel is heavily connected and it has done many good things for the country.
There are many corrupt companies in Vietnam, but the big ones are heavily connected to government.

Really think they should nationalize VinGroup tho, before they become another Jack Ma.

 

[IblinI]

The CPV is OK with it because Viettel is heavily connected and it has done many good things for the country.
There are many corrupt companies in Vietnam, but the big ones are heavily connected to government.

Really think they should nationalize VinGroup tho, before they become another Jack Ma.

They tried to stopped the army, there was news about it, but there seems to have a lot of back and forth.
Historical experience proved that army focus on running business is definitely doing more harm than good.

 

[REhorror]

They tried to stopped the army, there was news about it, but there seems to have a lot of back and forth.
Historical experience proved that army focus on running business is definitely doing more harm than good.

It depends on how connected the army and the Party is, and both are pretty close.
Still, can you give me some of these articles? I will find their Vietnamese equivalence.

 

[MH.Yang]

China once allowed the army to running business, but the Communist Party of China found that it would seriously damage the army's combat effectiveness. In July 1998, the Communist Party of China banned the military from running business.

The VCP is unable to prevent the army from running business, it shows that the VCP has been unable to control the army. This is a very dangerous signal. Maybe one day Vietnam will become a military government.

Given the belligerence of the Vietnamese, it would be a big problem for all neighbors.

 

[IblinI]

It depends on how connected the army and the Party is, and both are pretty close.
Still, can you give me some of these articles? I will find their Vietnamese equivalence.

Apparently, the party made numerous attempts in 2004, 2007 and 2017.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/06/can-vietnam-get-its-military-out-of-business/

https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/越南军队经商

In July 1998, the Communist Party of China banned the military from running business.

Xi completed the last puzzle after he came in power in 2012, some whole street of shops was either sold or closed.

 

[REhorror]

Apparently, the party made numerous attempts in 2004, 2007 and 2017.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/06/can-vietnam-get-its-military-out-of-business/

https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/越南军队经商

I search around the net and found this article:

Viettel renamed Military Industry and Telecoms Group

Military-run telecommunications group Viettel has been renamed Viettel Military Industry and Telecoms Group and is now recognised as the national defence and security enterprise with 100% state-owned capital pursuant to the recently issued Government Decree No.05.

en.nhandan.vn

It seems Viettel is now owned by National Defence Ministry (Bo Quoc Phong) and under the state, not the army anymore.

 

[REhorror]

Don't talk about ancient things.

It was the Vietnamese invaded Thailand. The truth is that Vietnamese are too belligerent.

Yeah, this was in Pol Pot time, and Pol Pot keeps hiding in the jungle between Thailand and Cambodia, and then keeps attacking the cambodian army + vietnam army at the time, so there's some minor incursions back and forth.
But nothing major, I think.

 

[GS Zhou]

It seems Viettel is now owned by National Defence Ministry (Bo Quoc Phong) and under the state, not the army anymore.

Is Vietnam's defense budget today fully covered by the government? Or it is partially paid by the government, partially paid by the military enterprises?

Can the government appoint any non-military persons to the management positions of Viettel and other military enterprise, or it is the self-appointment made by the military itself?

Can the normal legislation/discipline system work for the military enterprises? Or it is self-disciplined by the military itself?