Why are Indians so successful abroad? Arab news analysis

[SamantK]

Because the US favor Indians than any other race by looking at the ease where indians can get their hb1 visa for work. Another fact is that indians exaggerate the most on their resume. They are able to lie without blinking an eyelash. Thirdly, most indians buy their Phd from Indian universities so they can drive taxis in Canada.

Ease of getting a H1B?

Kid you can go to sleep now.

 

[mpk1988]

True.
But guess who benefitted the most from this sort of hiring?

The Sheikhs? No
The companies? No
Indian relatives and friends? Yes

The Sheikhs: Definitely Yes
The Companies: Definitely Yes
Indian relatives and friends: Yes in some cases..

What about Pakistani relatives and friends incase of unqualified appointments? Sure.. They also benefitted in some cases and in some not so much. So, next time when you point out stuff, show some perspective and not bias or your made up facts.

I posted article for you. It's you who is posting opinions.

How dumb are you??? That article says nothing that was implied by you!!!
Are you even capable of reading and understanding English?

 

[Post Colonnial]

On a progressive note, @Jlaw and @RazorMC have helped demonstrate the author's point that education is so important, however poor a family and society one may come from; and the lack of quality education does make people stupid.

Let's therefore just thank them for helping demonstrate it instead of going around in circles.

 

[Trisonics]

The key word in the article is successful. Indians are obviously doing their job and doing it well, hence they are successful! They have the will and want to excel and the crop that reach US are intelligent and hard working. All other theories are irrelevant.

 

[Horatio]

And which company hiring staff would ever disclose why they hired someone based on personal relations?

So what you are saying is you have conjectures and assumptions without any solid facts to back them up? On a different note I believe we were actually discussing the qualifications of the Indian Immigrants.. Cause our discussion began like this more or less....

The author skips out on the fact that the US is not too keen on allowing low-skilled immigrants anyways, be it from India or any other country.

The secret to their success lies entirely in education. Poverty and the weak capabilities of the Indian government have not prevented the provision of quality education. This is why most of them attained the right to immigrate to a country such as the United States. They are given preference over immigrants from other countries because they specialize in fields required by the job market.

We weren't discussing the argument bought in by the Chinese guy.

 

[Jlaw]

The Sheikhs: Definitely Yes
The Companies: Definitely Yes
Indian relatives and friends: Yes in some cases..

What about Pakistani relatives and friends incase of unqualified appointments? Sure.. They also benefitted in some cases and in some not so much. So, next time when you point out stuff, show some perspective and not bias or your made up facts.



How dumb are you??? That article says nothing that was implied by you!!!
Are you even capable of reading and understanding English?

English is your official language so I expect your English to be better than mine. Indians are better at lying so they tend to get the better jobs where BS is required not skills. They lie on their resume, use fake references, etc.

Sure there are some bright Indians but mostly from the south. A South Indian guy even told me not to trust a northern Indian. They are involved with a lot of fraud, etc.

 

[Viny]

but still not busniess man.. are either worker, or skilled worker or engineer/doctor... plus not many in media, art, literature etc etc... which i think are more influential..

The path to ownership comes from getting experince and having ability to fund business. Access to funds have opened up recently and hence there is rise in startups, in a decade or so, you will see lot many business mans too, its a step by step process that happening.

When majority have empty stomach, the first catch is the means that enables you to satisfy your basic needs otherwise competition will take it away, so majority of them focus on catching the food method then media, art, literature. But none the less this will also improve very soon.

I don't know about lying, but a lot of the Indians I met have degrees from institutions that are barely visible on Google. Many of them are also implicated on basis of unverifiable degrees and certificates.
As far as hiring is concerned, I've seen so many of them being hired based on personal relations with HR staff (who also happen to be Indian). Egyptians do the same btw.

Well its not necessary all of the Indian university will have web page, though they are working on, but then thats not a way to verify.

Fake degrees might get you job, but you cannot sustain it. So that not practical approach in this case. One major component of hiring is trust factor, so if someone is connected and known, then he has prefference over similarly qualified person. That happens across the globe.

 

[mpk1988]

English is your official language so I expect your English to be better than mine. Indians are better at lying so they tend to get the better jobs where BS is required not skills. They lie on their resume, use fake references, etc.

Sure there are some bright Indians but mostly from the south. A South Indian guy even told me not to trust a northern Indian. They are involved with a lot of fraud, etc.

Again.. I say Chinese are lying so they tend to et the better jobs where BS is required and not skills. They lie on their resume, use fake references, etc.. Any proof for any of our statements???

I'm a South Indian and I say that that guy is wrong. North Indians have better business minds.

 

[Peshwa]

English is your official language so I expect your English to be better than mine. Indians are better at lying so they tend to get the better jobs where BS is required not skills. They lie on their resume, use fake references, etc.

Sure there are some bright Indians but mostly from the south. A South Indian guy even told me not to trust a northern Indian. They are involved with a lot of fraud, etc.

Well..if the above is true, then I would lay the blame on the employers for not doing a thorough background check on the ones hiring..not so much the Indians...
But you would have to think that reputable firms like PWC, KKR etc must have mere retards doing the hiring that they cannot spot a fake or do a thorough background check...
This also means that the US Department of Homeland Security that doles out the H1B must be filled with idiots to just allow Indians with Fake degrees and work experience to just mosey into the US homeland...

Also, it surprises me that Indians are so forthcoming in revealing their biases to a rabid Indian hater like yourself...

 

[kadamba-warrior]

I know about the process. I'm in the semiconductor industry.

Also, sorry for not being clear earlier. You are an idiot of colossal proportions. Not only does that article say anything about fake degrees, it also doesn't single out Indians..

Now, the survey referred to in the thread talks about Indians being one of the highest paid people are n the US. This is because they have some if the best jobs.. Not because they're Taxi drivers. Most of the poor people end up emigrating there.. Do you want other examples??? Scores of Chinese and Pakistanis who speak barely any English/European languages in streetside tobacco shops all over Europe.. So please.. Stop your Bullshit..

And don't even get me started on nepotism in the workplace and the quality of scientific journals when talking about other nations.. Lmao
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Not just that! Since Indians are subjected to the strictest standard when it comes to Green Cards (due to sheer number of applicants exceeding the nation-wise quota for GC), they are also some the best in their respective fields.

Even a low-skilled nurse from any other country (other than India/China) can get GC almost immediately and then go on to be a burden on the US system, as it happens so many times. The same can't be said about even a highly skilled Indian on H1b, who on average spends more than 5-6 years working in a generally high-paying technology company, paying his taxes and contributing to Social Security!

And which company hiring staff would ever disclose why they hired someone based on personal relations?

And how exactly are you privy to that information if companies don't disclose that information? Anecdotes?

 

[Post Colonnial]

English is your official language so I expect your English to be better than mine. Indians are better at lying so they tend to get the better jobs where BS is required not skills. They lie on their resume, use fake references, etc.

Sure there are some bright Indians but mostly from the south. A South Indian guy even told me not to trust a northern Indian. They are involved with a lot of fraud, etc.

@Jlaw - if you ask most American employers they'd say Indians are good at the respective technical skills and need to improve on social, management and conversation skills. That doesn't sound like getting away with bs. I am sure it happens some but IME miniscule. After all bs ain't helpful in the ER ICU and OpTheatre.

Your impressions about South Indians being brighter is also based on scant exposure, though I have actually heard many north Indians make that comment as well! Reality is it is not South or North but level of educational development in certain states. Look up the stats.

Don't get me started on lying on resumes. I have seen quite a few fake resumes from Indians but as many from Germans Canadians 3rd gen Americans and Brits as well. As an employer it is easy to weed them out. In fact the naivest I have seen is for a junior research vacancy I recall receiving as may as 23 applications from alumni of Beijing Univ all claiming to have been part of the same project. I forwarded to it (without names) to my colleague in Beijing Univ and imagine my shock when told that it was true! They 'assigned' projects to be recorded in resumes like they assign email id's for life. (PS: btw I don't think that is always the case in BU, but in that particular department or instance I guess, to give them a ben.of doubt). Similarly look up the vyapam scandal in India ! or Axcom in Pakistan...

Doen't speak very highly of Asian ethics

 

[Goenitz]

The path to ownership comes from getting experince and having ability to fund business. Access to funds have opened up recently and hence there is rise in startups, in a decade or so, you will see lot many business mans too, its a step by step process that happening.

When majority have empty stomach, the first catch is the means that enables you to satisfy your basic needs otherwise competition will take it away, so majority of them focus on catching the food method then media, art, literature. But none the less this will also improve very soon.

partially agree as factors towards successful business are numerous and in many shades (not black&white). however, i mentioned that bcz asians, are normally in skillfull labor job (for 2nd, 3rd gen) and that need to be changed
1. business is mainly about aptitude (independent of degrees)
2. its about risk taking and 'sweating'.. we don't like that.
3. yeah experience, of teh field w'd just make u a better consultant/expert in that field and with good luck a better business man..e.g. n automotive engineer with industry experience (just of tyres) can just deal/do business in tyres of automobiles..
4. in nut shell, busniess is just about aptitude..

lastly, no one is famous in art (acting yes), like painting, novelist, author, poets, philosopher, media (just fareed zakaria) which has a profound affect on society.. however, many teacher/Prof are indians, which i think is both influentila and laid back job..

 

[RazorMC]

Well on the same note then, how did you get your hands on such data if it isnt public? Big fat assumption Or are you of the impression that all Indians are somehow related?

Secondly, the point of networking in the job environment, whether it be in the US or anywhere else, stems from the fact that knowing someone personally adds a trust factor, sort of a trump when comparing two candidates of similar qualification...
And this is not an Indian only phenomenon...at least in the US!

It's not data. If you had read my earlier posts you would know I can not unsee what goes on in the GCC job market. This comes from my personal experience.

I agree, I used the term "Indian" too generally. That was my mistake. It is a very specific region in India that is famous (atleast here in the GCC) for it's unethical hiring tactics.

 

[Kaniska]

Do you have a habit of talking out of your *** or are you challenged and a special needs person??

Do you want me to reply in kind to the nonsense you posted like a blithering jackass. Go find something else to do other than troll and maybe use that pea brain for once.

Do not reply to such kind of posts...There will be always some people who are under achivers..and they always complain and find fault in others...simple as that..

 

[RazorMC]

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Well its not necessary all of the Indian university will have web page, though they are working on, but then thats not a way to verify.

Fake degrees might get you job, but you cannot sustain it. So that not practical approach in this case. One major component of hiring is trust factor, so if someone is connected and known, then he has prefference over similarly qualified person. That happens across the globe.

Absolutely true. No doubts there. But it wasn't about college websites, I was referring to the fact that they are hard to know about even through Chacha Google. Getting an MBA from an unverifiable XYZ University is not the same as getting one from a reputed institution. That was my point.

Wrt hiring, I'm not negating the trust factor in work places, but what do you say to hiring your own relatives or only people you know back home in India? Like I said, one community of Indians is infamous for these practices. Even Indians from other regions are neglected.

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And how exactly are you privy to that information if companies don't disclose that information? Anecdotes?

Over 10 years exposure to job-market in UAE shows a lot of stuff. There's no replacement for personal experience.

On a progressive note, @Jlaw and @RazorMC have helped demonstrate the author's point that education is so important, however poor a family and society one may come from; and the lack of quality education does make people stupid.

Let's therefore just thank them for helping demonstrate it instead of going around in circles.

Kindly don't tag me in these self-appeasing posts of yours.