About the gap, Israeli threatened in the media that she can annihilate 3rd army but she concealed from the media that her forces in the gap were surrounded as well. besides, what is the military plan that enables Israel to annihilate 3rd army without:
1- Egyptian forces annihilating Israeli forces in the gap including cutting their own supply lines between 2nd and 3rd army.
2- Loosing any Israeli soldier while annihilating 3rd army
3rd army still had weapons and was able to fight even after cease fire when Israel tried to capture Elsuez (check sources)
15000 total Arab died is the Israeli version, Arab version is 5000, do you think annihilating 3rd army would have happened with 3rd army or rest of Egyptian forces watching ?, this was just a propaganda, the only way to annihilate them is to let them die of hunger, but even that was not gonna happen, cause then 2nd army and 3rd army would have cut off Israeli forces supply lines, then 3rd army would have got supplies through 2nd army & innhilitating Israeli forces in the gap would have started.
USA & Israel made it look to the world as if Israel was the one who had the upper hand, they made it look like Israel gave food & water to 3rd army just from willingness to do so, no that's not right, if they did not allow water and food to reach 3rd army, there would not have been a cease fire.
Yes, Egypt agreed to negotiate with Israel directly (Not the first time) not only to send water & food to 3rd army but also to negotiate disengagement & peace later, which proves that Egypt had the POWER to negotiate which she did not have before the war.
If none of what i said above convinces you, then Just answer me one question, what made Israel return Sinai to Egypt and make peace after 1973 when it refused to do the same before 1973 ?, if you said cause Israel realized how strong is Egypt, then 1973 war is a success, so tell me one logical reason that made Israel change its mind.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_Force_and_Observers#Sinai_Peacekeeping_Zones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suez
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The things Israelis won't tell you, simply cause their government did not want them to know especially after the "Unstoppable army" myth:
1- Israel was running low on oil, cause Elat's harbor was the only harbor in Israel than can receive oil tankers, and it was blocked with the start of the war.
2- Israeli forces were in a desperate situation, they concentrated themselves in a pocket with Egyptian forces all around them, they threatened in the news all over the world to annihilate 3rd army (20,000 out of 80,000 fighting soldiers, 320,000 available fighting forces & 800,000 total army), while in reality their forces were the ones going to be annihilated, that's why Israel accepted cease fire in the first place, they could not afford our counter attack.
3- They claim they could have marched to Cairo, but that is wrong, the 101 km sign is only 10 to 15 km from the Suez canal, they could not have marched to Cairo, cause they would have to face the reserve armored forces, besides their supply lines were stretched for a long distance.
4- Most Fighters lost to Israeli air force were reported by its pilots that they were hit by a SAM (Surface Air Missle), in reality many of those were brought down in dog fighting with Egyptian Air force, they were just too embarrassed to admit it, cause they were proud of being Kings of the sky. --> check the Egyptian Air Force link in the sources.
5- Most of them know nothing about Elmansora air battle, the one which they lost 17 plane in.
6- The US provided Israel with information about the gap, they did not know about it, till an american plane spotted it.
7- Yes, Israel transported food & water to the encircled 3rd army (How could they surround it when its main forces were on the east side of the canal?), that came through the UN from Egyptian supplies, they (Usraelis) were also running low on supplies and they played the man in between.. to get some for themselves too!!!
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_S...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Battle_...
Kissinger's conversation with Mier -->
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB98/octwar-54.pdf
Elsadat peace plan -->
http://newsocietyjournal.com/2008/07/09/did-golda-meir-cause-the-“yom-kippur-war”/
Egyptian Air Force -->
http://www.testpilot.ru/review/war/egipet.htm
You might not know, but Israel threatened to destroy the third army IN THE START OF THE WAR
And it accomplished it, capturing 8000 soldiers and many more tanks, killing a lot too.
the Egyptians were not annihilating anyone, the Egyptians were being annihilated.
the 2nd army wasn't even in the Sinai, it was in the Suez, after the third army pushed into the Sinai, the Israelis flanked them, destroyed and captured 8000 of them and many tanks.
NO MORE THIRD ARMY
"15000 total Arab died is the Israeli version, Arab version is 5000, do you think annihilating 3rd army would have happened with 3rd army or rest of Egyptian forces watching ?, this was just a propaganda, the only way to annihilate them is to let them die of hunger, but even that was not gonna happen, cause then 2nd army and 3rd army would have cut off Israeli forces supply lines, then 3rd army would have got supplies through 2nd army & innhilitating Israeli forces in the gap would have started."
Arabs always have been saying that they are victorious, Like the Egyptians in 1967, while we destroyed every one of their jets and air bases, they were saying they are winning, and then the Jordanians got into the war, only then they realized Egypt was defeated. That's why I never trust their sources.
Also, I said 15,000 EGYPTIANS, not 15,000 Arabs, there were additional 3500 Syrians that died.
"cause then 2nd army and 3rd army would have cut off Israeli forces supply lines"
Now that's just stupidity
Israeli supply lines were BEHIND the Israelis, and the Israelis covered the whole Sinai, so you couldn't just go by, while your stupid forces were concentrated, and had no support troops within the matter for hundreds of kilometers, we simply flanked and spanked. You can go into an Israeli tank show and see bunch of Egyptian tanks there.
Arab is not just "would have", but "DID", Every idiot can say "I could have destroyed you if bla bla bla" but you didn't because you cant, either it is lack of knowledge, either that they are not able to.
"USA & Israel made it look to the world as if Israel was the one who had the upper hand, they made it look like Israel gave food & water to 3rd army just from willingness to do so, no that's not right, if they did not allow water and food to reach 3rd army, there would not have been a cease fire."
Of course we gave them water and food (And you claimed that we DID capture the third army, claimed that we didn't feed them) the second army cannot do anything, because it would be destroyed because it have no air cover like the other guy said it was the reason of the destruction of the third army.
"Yes, Egypt agreed to negotiate with Israel directly (Not the first time) not only to send water & food to 3rd army but also to negotiate disengagement & peace later, which proves that Egypt had the POWER to negotiate which she did not have before the war."
Egypt had the power to negotiate? The one that starts to negotiate is the one with the lower hand, If you could have taken the Sinai by force, you would have done that already.
"If none of what i said above convinces you, then Just answer me one question, what made Israel return Sinai to Egypt and make peace after 1973 when it refused to do the same before 1973 ?, if you said cause Israel realized how strong is Egypt, then 1973 war is a success, so tell me one logical reason that made Israel change its mind."
The reason is that your force did do some casualties, and we were sure that we could defeat them again, but again, even with lower casualties it is not worth it, we would rather have peace than war, too bad it doesn't work with the Palestinians.
"Israel was running low on oil, cause Elat's harbor was the only harbor in Israel than can receive oil tankers, and it was blocked with the start of the war."
It was running low on oil in the end of the war- and the blockade was quickly stopped in the Battle of Baltim and Battle of Marsa Talamat, the destruction of enemy Egyptian ships in Israeli borders and Egyptian.
"Israeli forces were in a desperate situation, they concentrated themselves in a pocket with Egyptian forces all around them, they threatened in the news all over the world to annihilate 3rd army (20,000 out of 80,000 fighting soldiers, 320,000 available fighting forces & 800,000 total army), while in reality their forces were the ones going to be annihilated, that's why Israel accepted cease fire in the first place, they could not afford our counter attack."
This is bullshit- Israel DID kill or capture the third army, and you cannot understand that, I don't see 2000 dead, in both Syria and Egypt front, out of our 415,000 soldier strong army even related to the term "annihilated"
"They claim they could have marched to Cairo, but that is wrong, the 101 km sign is only 10 to 15 km from the Suez canal, they could not have marched to Cairo, cause they would have to face the reserve armored forces, besides their supply lines were stretched for a long distance." so 111km, Is it good enough for you?
Israel had total air dominance, so Israel could drop a lot of supplies to the soldiers (Even though we had to fly low because the Egyptians had a lot of SAMs)
"Most Fighters lost to Israeli air force were reported by its pilots that they were hit by a SAM (Surface Air Missle), in reality many of those were brought down in dog fighting with Egyptian Air force, they were just too embarrassed to admit it, cause they were proud of being Kings of the sky. --> check the Egyptian Air Force link in the sources."
That is false- 172 Egyptian aircraft were shot down in air-to-air combat out of the 242 Egyptian jets destroyed, while only 21 Israeli jets were destroyed in air to air combat in all fronts.
(Tell me if you want me to source it all)
"Most of them know nothing about Elmansora air battle, the one which they lost 17 plane in."
EGYPTIAN CLAIM
"At 22:00 local time Cairo Radio broadcast “Communiqué Number 39”, announcing several air battles that day over a number of Egyptian airfields, the most intensive over the northern Delta area. It claimed that 15 enemy aircraft had been downed by Egyptian fighters for the loss of three Egyptian aircraft, excluding Israeli aircraft shot down near the
Suez Canal.[
citation needed]" See? CITATION NEEDED.
Israeli claim was only 2
What about Ofira Air Battle? when 2 F4 Phantoms fought against 20 MiG 17s and 8 MiG 21s? the Israelis destroyed 7 aircraft.
"The US provided Israel with information about the gap, they did not know about it, till an american plane spotted it."
Of course we knew about it, we had our own jets that were flying there.
"Yes, Israel transported food & water to the encircled 3rd army (How could they surround it when its main forces were on the east side of the canal?), that came through the UN from Egyptian supplies, they (Usraelis) were also running low on supplies and they played the man in between.. to get some for themselves too!!!"
They weren't just encircled, they were CAPTURED.
And don't ask me, they were captured, end of story.
