Why Arabs lost all its wars to Israel despite outnumbering Israel in weapons and manpower?

[boomslang]

US helped us so much in 1948..not!
US helped us so much in 1956...not!
US helped us so much in 1967...not!
US was so good ally in 1973...not!
And we have to remember when the US invaded iraq and the iraqis launched scuds on us our best ally told us not to respond etc etc etc.....

So the U.S. has NEVER helped Israel ? Right. And you really don't get the 'scud thing' ? Israel wouldn't exist without the U.S.

 

[Beny Karachun]

our SAMs were not mobile it couldn't be moved and I did not miss anything I try not to repeat my self

You know what- ok, you pushed into the Sinai without aircover, then you change your story that you didn't have SAM protection but then you are saying that that they were not mobile, it doesn't change the fact that YOU did it, planned it and FAILED. its called a defeat.

So the U.S. has NEVER helped Israel ? Right. And you really don't get the 'scud thing' ? Israel wouldn't exist without the U.S.

You only helped us in 1973.
And without your help, Egypt and the Arabs wouldn't exist, you rushed to supply us when you saw the Jerichos out in the open.

 

[The SC]

The October War has brought about a concept, apparently unknown to us before; the war-stressed, i.e. those who suffer psychological shock, now dispersed at hospitals and convalescence houses, being treated from the impact of ferocious war. For the first time in their lifetime, Israeli soldier has known the experience of siege and isolation during the fight, the disgrace of capture and fear of ammunition running out.
(Haarts, November 2, 1973)

General Yshac Rabin announced that his country had military plans to face all probabilities, including the occupation of the North Pole. But it seems that the sweeping Egyptian onslaught at mid-day October 6, 1973, had not been among Israeli probabilities. They, therefore, paid heavily for it.
(Der Spiegel, (German Magazine), November 5, 1973)

Up to the date of cease-fire on the Sinai front we had not caused injury to the Egyptian army. Definitely, even failing the cease-fire, we would not be able to stop or destroy the Egyptian army. Thus, it can be said that during our fourth war with the Arab, we have realized nothing.
(Haarts, November 18, 1973)

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

You know what- ok, you pushed into the Sinai without aircover, then you change your story that you didn't have SAM protection but then you are saying that that they were not mobile, it doesn't change the fact that YOU did it, planned it and FAILED. its called a defeat.

.

ok let us make it more simple
the war starts we cross destroy the barliv line hold of the counter attack isreal calls for peace and end of the war the Syrian front needed help so under pressure from the soviets and arabs we were forced to attack in the desert outside of our air cover in a suicide attack that led to isrealis crossing the canal even after that isrealis could not accomplish much as they failed to enter suez or ismalia

 

[Beny Karachun]

ok let us make it more simple
the war starts we cross destroy the barliv line hold of the counter attack isreal calls for peace and end of the war the Syrian front needed help so under pressure from the soviets and arabs we were forced to attack in the desert outside of our air cover in a suicide attack that led to isrealis crossing the canal even after that isrealis could not accomplish much as they failed to enter suez or ismalia

Israel always called for peace. but in a war, it doesn't
after the Egyptians attacked, Israel tried to counter attack, it didn't exactly succeed, since a lot of ATGMs were launched and Egypt had advanced AA for the time, so the counter attack did kill a lot of Egyptians, but also many Israelis were killed (Significantly lower amount of Israelis died compared to Egyptains in the counter attack)
Later, Israel had many operations against the SAMs, leading to the destruction of them.
And at the time the Egyptian air force was already destroyed by us
We flanked you, killed about 15000 Egyptians and capturing 8000 soldiers along with hundreds of tanks
While only 2000 of ours died, some in the Syrian front too.

 

[The SC]

Israel always called for peace. but in a war, it doesn't
after the Egyptians attacked, Israel tried to counter attack, it didn't exactly succeed, since a lot of ATGMs were launched and Egypt had advanced AA for the time, so the counter attack did kill a lot of Egyptians, but also many Israelis were killed (Significantly lower amount of Israelis died compared to Egyptains in the counter attack)
Later, Israel had many operations against the SAMs, leading to the destruction of them.
And at the time the Egyptian air force was already destroyed by us
We flanked you, killed about 15000 Egyptians and capturing 8000 soldiers along with hundreds of tanks
While only 2000 of ours died, some in the Syrian front too.

After the 14 th october 1973, The decision was taken, by Sadat and KIissinger to let you save face, because your faith was sealed in the start of war..
On the Syrian front two; An order was given to the Syrian armed brigades not to block your armoured divisions on the frontiers of Usrael , they were at about 20 kms of the bridges and no Usraeli to see!!!!?
You killed 15 thousand! The Egyptians alone had an estimation of 20 000 to be killed just in the crossing and destruction of the Barlev line, they have lost 208 officers and soldiers..
If you can do your search about theincursion and the so called outflanking of the Egyptians , you'll be amazed to find out how it was made possible for you to save face on a tactical level, because Arabs have already won (i.e: we guaranteed a cease fire by both the US and The Russians ), both tactically and stragically, add to it psychologically..

By the way it is Usrael who has asked for war; it is well documented that Sadat asked Mayer for peace many times by handing back the Sinai pininsula and she refused ! Even Kissinger asked her 3 years before the war..

 

[Beny Karachun]

After the 14 th october 1973, The decision was taken, by Sadat and KIissinger to let you save face, because your faith was sealed in the start of war..
On the Syrian front two; An order was given to the Syrian armed brigades not to block your armoured divisions on the frontiers of Usrael , they were at about 20 kms of the bridges and no Usraeli to see!!!!?
You killed 15 thousand! The Egyptians alone had an estimation of 20 000 to be killed just in the crossing and destruction of the Barlev line, they have lost 208 officers and soldiers..
If you can do your search about theincursion and the so called outflanking of the Egyptians , you'll be amazed to find out how it was made possible for you to save face on a tactical level, because Arabs have already won (i.e: we guaranteed a cease fire by both the US and The Russians ), both tactically and stragically, add to it psychologically..

By the way it is Usrael who has asked for war; it is well documented that Sadat asked Mayer for peace many times by handing back the Sinai pininsula and she refused ! Even Kissinger asked her 3 years before the war..

We killed 15,000 Egyptians and captured 8000! took them as hostage, captured hundreds of tanks!
Israel COMPLETELY destroyed their entire third army, which was MUCH better equipped than us, and had MUCH more equipment
We also killed thousands of Syrian soldiers
Israel won the war, Israel killed way more, saved its objectives and gave another beating to the Arabs.

 

[The SC]

Statements by contemporary witnesses to the war are the most truthful historical accounts, documenting facts and impartially and objectively assessing results of the war. Such testimonies should be particularly true, when they are made by major strategists and military experts around the world let alone those witnesses from the other side. After the lapse of a quarter a century, it might be beneficial to review these testimonies in order to learn lessons from the October 1973 War.

SEE post # 223

 

[Beny Karachun]

Statements by contemporary witnesses to the war are the most truthful historical accounts, documenting facts and impartially and objectively assessing results of the war. Such testimonies should be particularly true, when they are made by major strategists and military experts around the world let alone those witnesses from the other side. After the lapse of a quarter a century, it might be beneficial to review these testimonies in order to learn lessons from the October 1973 War.

SEE post # 223

How come? statements from Haarts- the media "opposition" that hates Israel, British quotes, that at the time the Arabs threatened that they will not supply them fuel if they will back up Israel in any way, and such?
Statements are not the most truthful, but the most untrue and biased.

You might not understand, Israel won the war, want it or not, Look at the statistics, look at the objectives, look at the strategic destruction.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Israel always called for peace. but in a war, it doesn't
after the Egyptians attacked, Israel tried to counter attack, it didn't exactly succeed, since a lot of ATGMs were launched and Egypt had advanced AA for the time, so the counter attack did kill a lot of Egyptians, but also many Israelis were killed (Significantly lower amount of Israelis died compared to Egyptains in the counter attack)
Later, Israel had many operations against the SAMs, leading to the destruction of them.
And at the time the Egyptian air force was already destroyed by us
We flanked you, killed about 15000 Egyptians and capturing 8000 soldiers along with hundreds of tanks
While only 2000 of ours died, some in the Syrian front too.

1 your prime minster called for end of the war after the failed isreali counter attack
2 our advance outside the air defense range was not our fault no army in the world can fight in open desert without air cover while being bombed by air force and sourronded by tanks
3 even after that we had the numbers and it is true that some of our SAMs were destroyed after the isrealis crossed the canal but our air force losses were not high and it could protect our forces not 100 percent but still could provide cover I remind you of the battle of mansora
4 you tried to flank us but you could not win not in suez or ismalia
5 we captured many men and tanks from you also
6 with the high losses you suffered in the war you could not afford war any longer than us every Egyptian life is important but we were ready to fight to the last man to get a win as our reputation as an army could not survive another defeat after the 67 war

 

[boomslang]

....You only helped us in 1973.
And without your help, Egypt and the Arabs wouldn't exist, you rushed to supply us when you saw the Jerichos out in the open.

U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel:
History & Overview
(Updated May 2014)
Foreign Aid: Table of Contents | Total Aid (1949-Present) | Loan Guarantees



“It is my responsibility to see that our policy in Israel fits in with our policy throughout the world; second, it is my desire to help build in Palestine a strong, prosperous, free and independent democratic state. It must be large enough, free enough, and strong enough to make its people self-supporting and secure,” President Truman said in a speech October 28, 1948.

Truman's commitment was quickly tested after Israel's victory in its War of Independence when she applied to the U.S. for economic aid to help absorb immigrants. President Truman responded by approving a $135 million Export-Import Bank loan and the sale of surplus commodities to Israel. In those early years of Israel's statehood (also today), U.S. aid was seen as a means of promoting peace.

In 1951, Congress voted to help Israel cope with the economic burdens imposed by the influx of Jewish refugees from the displaced persons camps in Europe and from the ghettos of the Arab countries. Arabs then complained the U.S. was neglecting them, though they had no interest in or use for American aid then. In 1951, Syria rejected offers of U.S. aid. Oil-rich Iraq and Saudi Arabia did not need U.S. economic assistance, and Jordan was, until the late 1950s, the ward of Great Britain. After 1957, when the United States assumed responsibility for supporting Jordan and resumed economic aid to Egypt, assistance to the Arab states soared. Also, the United States was by far the biggest contributor of aid to the Palestinians through UNRWA, a status that continues to the present.

U.S. economic grants to Israel ended in 1959. U.S. aid to Israel from then until 1985 consisted largely of loans, which Israel repaid, and surplus commodities, which Israel bought. Israel began buying arms from the United States in 1962, but did not receive any grant military assistance until after the 1973 Yom Kippur War. As a result, Israel had to go deeply into debt to finance its economic development and arms procurement. The decision to convert military aid to grants that year was based on the prevailing view in Congress that without a strong Israel, war in the Middle East was more likely, and that the U.S. would face higher direct expenditures in such an eventuality.

Israel has received more direct aid from the United States since World War II than any other country, but the amounts for the first half of this period were relatively small. Between 1949 and 1973, the U.S. provided Israel with an average of about $122 million a year, a total of $3.1 billion (and actually more than $1 billion of that was loans for military equipment in 1971-73) . Prior to 1971, Israel received a total of only $277 million in military aid, all in the form of loans as credit sales. The bulk of the economic aid was also lent to Israel. By comparison, the Arab states received nearly three times as much aid before 1971, $4.4 billion, or $170 million per year. Moreover, unlike Israel, which receives nearly all its aid from the United States, Arab nations have gotten assistance from Asia, Eastern Europe, the Soviet Union and the European Community. Congress first designated a specific amount of aid for Israel (an "earmark") in 1971.

Meeting Israel's Special Needs
Since 1974, Israel has received nearly $100 billion in assistance, including three special aid packages. The first followed the signing of the Israel-Egypt peace treaty and Israel's withdrawal from the Sinai. The redeployment of Israeli forces and rebuilding of air bases in the Negev cost $5 billion. To partially compensate for this sacrifice, Israel received $3 billion ($2.2 billion of which was in the form of high-interest loans) in U.S. aid in 1979.

The second special package was approved in 1985, following a severe economic crisis in Israel, which sent inflation rates soaring as high as 445 percent. The $1.5 billion in emergency assistance-disbursed in two installments, in 1985 and 1986-was provided as part of Israel's economic stabilization program, which was implemented under the guidance of the U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Development Group (JEDG).

An extraordinary package was approved in 1996 to help Israel fight terrorism. Israel is to receive a total of $100 million, divided equally between fiscal years 1996 and 1997.

Regular Economic and Military Assistance
Israel's economic aid changed from the Commodity Import Program (CIP), which provides funds to foreign nations for the purchase of U.S. commodities, to a direct cash transfer in 1979. In return, Israel provided the Agency for International Development with assurances that the dollar level of Israel's non-defense imports from the U.S. would exceed the level of economic assistance granted Israel in any given year. Thus, Israel guaranteed that U.S. suppliers would not be disadvantaged by the termination of Israel's CIP Program.

Starting with fiscal year 1987, Israel annually received $1.2 billion in all grant economic aid and $1.8 billion in all grant military assistance. In 1998, Israel offered to voluntarily reduce its dependence on U.S. economic aid. According to an agreement reached with the Clinton Administration and Congress, the $1.2 billion economic aid package will be reduced by $120 million each year so that it will be phased out in ten years. Half of the annual savings in economic assistance each year ($60 million) will be added to Israel's military aid package in recognition of its increased security needs. In 2005, Israel received $360 million in economic aid and $2.22 billion in military aid. In 2006, economic aid is scheduled to be reduced to $240 million and military aid will increase to $2.28 billion.

For several years, most of Israel's economic aid went to pay off old debts. In 1984, foreign aid legislation included the Cranston Amendment (named after its Senate sponsor), which said the U.S. would provide Israel with economic assistance "not less than" the amount Israel owes the United States in annual debt service payments. The Cranston Amendment was left out of the FY1999 and subsequent appropriations bills. At that time Israel received $1.2 billion in ESF and owed only $328 million in debt service so the amendment was no longer needed.

In 1998, Israel was designated as a “major non-NATO ally,” which allows it to receive outdated military equipment the U.S. military wishes to sell or give away.

Roughly 26 percent of what Israel receives in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) can be spent in Israel for military procurement. From FY1988 to FY 1990, Israel was allowed to use $400 million in Israel. From FY1991 to FY1998, the amount was increased to $475 million. As U.S. military aid to Israel increased, according to the agreement to cut economic aid, the amout set aside for defense purchases in Israel has increased (but the percentage has remained roughly the same). In 2009, the figure was $671 million. The remaining 74 percent of FMF was spent in the United States to generate profits and jobs. More than 1,000 companies in 47 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signed contracts worth billions of dollars through this program.

At the end of 1998, Israel requested an additional $1.2 billion in aid to fund moving troops and military installations out of the occupied territories as called for in the October 23, 1998, Wye agreement. Israel received $600 million of this in military aid in FY1999 and $300 million in each fiscal year 2000 and 2001 (see Wye funding table).

In February 2003, for the first time, Congress voted to cut aid to Israel against the wishes of the pro-Israel lobby and the government of Israel. The 0.65 percent deduction was not aimed at Israel; however, it was an across the board cut of all foreign aid programs for fiscal year 2003. The lobby and government also suffered a defeat when Congress deleted an administration request for an extra $200 million to help Israel fight terrorism. Even while cutting aid to Israel (which still was budgeted at $2.1 billion for military aid and $600 million for economic assistance), Congress included a number of provisions in the aid bill viewed as favorable to Israel, including a provision that bars federal assistance to a future Palestinian state until the current Palestinian leadership is replaced, and that state demonstrates a commitment to peaceful coexistence with Israel, and takes measures to combat terrorism.

The setbacks were also temporary as the Administration approved a supplementary aid request in 2003 that included $1 billion in FMF and $9 billion in loan guarantees to aid Israel's economic recovery and compensate for the cost of military preparations associated with the war in Iraq. One quarter of the FMF is a cash grant and three quarters will be spent in the United States. The loan guarantees are spread over three years and must be spent within Israel's pre-June 1967 borders. Each year, an amount equal to the funds Israel spends on settlements in the territories will be deducted from the loan amount, along with all fees and subsidies.

Altogether, since 1949, Israel has received more than $106 billion in assistance. This includes the four special allocations, the $10 billion in loan guarantees (spread over five years) approved in 1992, the $9 billion in guarantees offered in 2003, and a variety of other smaller assistance-related accounts, such as refugee resettlement (nearly $1.6 billion overall since 1973), the American Schools and Hospitals Abroad Program (ASHA), which supports schools, libraries and medical centers that demonstrate American ideas and practices (($144 million), and cooperative development programs (a total of $186 million since 1981).

The total does not include funds for joint military projects like the Arrow missile (for which Israel has received more than $1 billion in grants since 1986), which are provided through the Defense budget. President Bush requested $60 million for the Arrow for FY2003 and $136 million in FY2004. The United States also has provided $53 million for the Boost Phase Intercept program and $139 million for the Tactical High Energy Laser program under development in Israel to complement the Arrow.

Though the totals are impressive, the value of assistance to Israel has been eroded by inflation. While aid levels remained constant in total dollars from 1987 until 1999, the real value steadily declined. On the other side of the coin, Israel does receive aid on more favorable terms than other nations. For example, all economic aid is given directly to the Israeli government rather than allocated under a specific program. Also, starting in 1982, Israel began to receive all its economic aid in a lump sum early in the fiscal year instead of in quarterly installments as is done for other countries. Israel also receives offsets on FMS purchases (U.S. contractors agree to offset some of the cost of military equipment by buying components or materials from Israel).

A 10-Year Military Aid Agreement
In August 2007, the Bush Administration agreed to increase U.S. military assistance to Israel by $6 billion over the following decade. Israel is to receive incremental annual increases of $150 mllion, starting at $2.55 billion in FY2009 and reaching $3.15 billion per year for FY2013-2018.

2009
$2.55 billion
2010
$2.70 billion
2011
$2.85 billion
2012
$3.00 billion
2013-2018
$3.15 billion per year
Israel receives the FMF aid in a lump sum in the first month of the fiscal year. The funds are placed in an interest bearing account and that interest is used to pay down Israel’s debt to the United States, which was $1 billion as of December 2006.

In addition to FMF, Israel also receives money for the joint development of missile defense systems. These amounts have been growing over the years, with the bulk of the funding going to the Arrow program.

Defense Budget Appropriations for U.S.-Israeli Missile Defense
(FY2006-FY2012)

($ millions)

System Type

David's Sling 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 * 2012
$10.0 $20.4 $37.0 $72.895 $80.092 $47 $69

Arrow-2
$122.866 $117.494 $98.572 $74.342 $72.306 $24 $105

High Altitude Arrow-3
20.0 $30.0 $50.036 $51 $61
Total $132.866 $137.894 $155.572 $177.237 $202.434 $122 $235
Sources: Clyde R. Mark, "Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance," Congressional Research Service, (July 12, 2004); U.S. State Department; USAID, Congressional Budget Justification for FY06 Foreign Operations, March 2005; Jeremy M. Sharp, “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel,” (DC: Congressional Research Service, December 4, 2009); Jim Zanotti, "Israel: Background and U.S. Relations," Congressional Research Service (February 28, 2014).



We give you tons of money, access to the best weapons in the world over other countries and we stick up for you at the U.N. (most of the time) when you guys do stupid shit. I'm totally pro-Israel but don't tell me the U.S. does nothing for Israel. That's a crock of shit. How much does Russia do for you ? China ? Exactly.

 

[The SC]

How come? statements from Haarts- the media "opposition" that hates Israel, British quotes, that at the time the Arabs threatened that they will not supply them fuel if they will back up Israel in any way, and such?
Statements are not the most truthful, but the most untrue and biased.

You might not understand, Israel won the war, want it or not, Look at the statistics, look at the objectives, look at the strategic destruction.

I rather belive those statements than you..
What about Golda Maiyer, Rabin , Moshe Dayan and other official's statement, these guys didn't like Usrael too?

 

[Beny Karachun]

I rather belive those statements than you..
What about Golda Maiyer, Rabin , Moshe Dayan and other official's statement, these guys didn't like Usrael too?

First of all, learn to spell "Israel"
Second of all, I don't believe statements, I believe facts, sources, None of those were in battle
Like asking some president to teach you how to build a jet fighter, just because he is a president, doesn't mean he knows everything, same about generals and PM

U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel:
History & Overview
(Updated May 2014)
Foreign Aid: Table of Contents | Total Aid (1949-Present) | Loan Guarantees



“It is my responsibility to see that our policy in Israel fits in with our policy throughout the world; second, it is my desire to help build in Palestine a strong, prosperous, free and independent democratic state. It must be large enough, free enough, and strong enough to make its people self-supporting and secure,” President Truman said in a speech October 28, 1948.

Truman's commitment was quickly tested after Israel's victory in its War of Independence when she applied to the U.S. for economic aid to help absorb immigrants. President Truman responded by approving a $135 million Export-Import Bank loan and the sale of surplus commodities to Israel. In those early years of Israel's statehood (also today), U.S. aid was seen as a means of promoting peace.

In 1951, Congress voted to help Israel cope with the economic burdens imposed by the influx of Jewish refugees from the displaced persons camps in Europe and from the ghettos of the Arab countries. Arabs then complained the U.S. was neglecting them, though they had no interest in or use for American aid then. In 1951, Syria rejected offers of U.S. aid. Oil-rich Iraq and Saudi Arabia did not need U.S. economic assistance, and Jordan was, until the late 1950s, the ward of Great Britain. After 1957, when the United States assumed responsibility for supporting Jordan and resumed economic aid to Egypt, assistance to the Arab states soared. Also, the United States was by far the biggest contributor of aid to the Palestinians through UNRWA, a status that continues to the present.

U.S. economic grants to Israel ended in 1959. U.S. aid to Israel from then until 1985 consisted largely of loans, which Israel repaid, and surplus commodities, which Israel bought. Israel began buying arms from the United States in 1962, but did not receive any grant military assistance until after the 1973 Yom Kippur War. As a result, Israel had to go deeply into debt to finance its economic development and arms procurement. The decision to convert military aid to grants that year was based on the prevailing view in Congress that without a strong Israel, war in the Middle East was more likely, and that the U.S. would face higher direct expenditures in such an eventuality.

Israel has received more direct aid from the United States since World War II than any other country, but the amounts for the first half of this period were relatively small. Between 1949 and 1973, the U.S. provided Israel with an average of about $122 million a year, a total of $3.1 billion (and actually more than $1 billion of that was loans for military equipment in 1971-73) . Prior to 1971, Israel received a total of only $277 million in military aid, all in the form of loans as credit sales. The bulk of the economic aid was also lent to Israel. By comparison, the Arab states received nearly three times as much aid before 1971, $4.4 billion, or $170 million per year. Moreover, unlike Israel, which receives nearly all its aid from the United States, Arab nations have gotten assistance from Asia, Eastern Europe, the Soviet Union and the European Community. Congress first designated a specific amount of aid for Israel (an "earmark") in 1971.

Meeting Israel's Special Needs
Since 1974, Israel has received nearly $100 billion in assistance, including three special aid packages. The first followed the signing of the Israel-Egypt peace treaty and Israel's withdrawal from the Sinai. The redeployment of Israeli forces and rebuilding of air bases in the Negev cost $5 billion. To partially compensate for this sacrifice, Israel received $3 billion ($2.2 billion of which was in the form of high-interest loans) in U.S. aid in 1979.

The second special package was approved in 1985, following a severe economic crisis in Israel, which sent inflation rates soaring as high as 445 percent. The $1.5 billion in emergency assistance-disbursed in two installments, in 1985 and 1986-was provided as part of Israel's economic stabilization program, which was implemented under the guidance of the U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Development Group (JEDG).

An extraordinary package was approved in 1996 to help Israel fight terrorism. Israel is to receive a total of $100 million, divided equally between fiscal years 1996 and 1997.

Regular Economic and Military Assistance
Israel's economic aid changed from the Commodity Import Program (CIP), which provides funds to foreign nations for the purchase of U.S. commodities, to a direct cash transfer in 1979. In return, Israel provided the Agency for International Development with assurances that the dollar level of Israel's non-defense imports from the U.S. would exceed the level of economic assistance granted Israel in any given year. Thus, Israel guaranteed that U.S. suppliers would not be disadvantaged by the termination of Israel's CIP Program.

Starting with fiscal year 1987, Israel annually received $1.2 billion in all grant economic aid and $1.8 billion in all grant military assistance. In 1998, Israel offered to voluntarily reduce its dependence on U.S. economic aid. According to an agreement reached with the Clinton Administration and Congress, the $1.2 billion economic aid package will be reduced by $120 million each year so that it will be phased out in ten years. Half of the annual savings in economic assistance each year ($60 million) will be added to Israel's military aid package in recognition of its increased security needs. In 2005, Israel received $360 million in economic aid and $2.22 billion in military aid. In 2006, economic aid is scheduled to be reduced to $240 million and military aid will increase to $2.28 billion.

For several years, most of Israel's economic aid went to pay off old debts. In 1984, foreign aid legislation included the Cranston Amendment (named after its Senate sponsor), which said the U.S. would provide Israel with economic assistance "not less than" the amount Israel owes the United States in annual debt service payments. The Cranston Amendment was left out of the FY1999 and subsequent appropriations bills. At that time Israel received $1.2 billion in ESF and owed only $328 million in debt service so the amendment was no longer needed.

In 1998, Israel was designated as a “major non-NATO ally,” which allows it to receive outdated military equipment the U.S. military wishes to sell or give away.

Roughly 26 percent of what Israel receives in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) can be spent in Israel for military procurement. From FY1988 to FY 1990, Israel was allowed to use $400 million in Israel. From FY1991 to FY1998, the amount was increased to $475 million. As U.S. military aid to Israel increased, according to the agreement to cut economic aid, the amout set aside for defense purchases in Israel has increased (but the percentage has remained roughly the same). In 2009, the figure was $671 million. The remaining 74 percent of FMF was spent in the United States to generate profits and jobs. More than 1,000 companies in 47 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signed contracts worth billions of dollars through this program.

At the end of 1998, Israel requested an additional $1.2 billion in aid to fund moving troops and military installations out of the occupied territories as called for in the October 23, 1998, Wye agreement. Israel received $600 million of this in military aid in FY1999 and $300 million in each fiscal year 2000 and 2001 (see Wye funding table).

In February 2003, for the first time, Congress voted to cut aid to Israel against the wishes of the pro-Israel lobby and the government of Israel. The 0.65 percent deduction was not aimed at Israel; however, it was an across the board cut of all foreign aid programs for fiscal year 2003. The lobby and government also suffered a defeat when Congress deleted an administration request for an extra $200 million to help Israel fight terrorism. Even while cutting aid to Israel (which still was budgeted at $2.1 billion for military aid and $600 million for economic assistance), Congress included a number of provisions in the aid bill viewed as favorable to Israel, including a provision that bars federal assistance to a future Palestinian state until the current Palestinian leadership is replaced, and that state demonstrates a commitment to peaceful coexistence with Israel, and takes measures to combat terrorism.

The setbacks were also temporary as the Administration approved a supplementary aid request in 2003 that included $1 billion in FMF and $9 billion in loan guarantees to aid Israel's economic recovery and compensate for the cost of military preparations associated with the war in Iraq. One quarter of the FMF is a cash grant and three quarters will be spent in the United States. The loan guarantees are spread over three years and must be spent within Israel's pre-June 1967 borders. Each year, an amount equal to the funds Israel spends on settlements in the territories will be deducted from the loan amount, along with all fees and subsidies.

Altogether, since 1949, Israel has received more than $106 billion in assistance. This includes the four special allocations, the $10 billion in loan guarantees (spread over five years) approved in 1992, the $9 billion in guarantees offered in 2003, and a variety of other smaller assistance-related accounts, such as refugee resettlement (nearly $1.6 billion overall since 1973), the American Schools and Hospitals Abroad Program (ASHA), which supports schools, libraries and medical centers that demonstrate American ideas and practices (($144 million), and cooperative development programs (a total of $186 million since 1981).

The total does not include funds for joint military projects like the Arrow missile (for which Israel has received more than $1 billion in grants since 1986), which are provided through the Defense budget. President Bush requested $60 million for the Arrow for FY2003 and $136 million in FY2004. The United States also has provided $53 million for the Boost Phase Intercept program and $139 million for the Tactical High Energy Laser program under development in Israel to complement the Arrow.

Though the totals are impressive, the value of assistance to Israel has been eroded by inflation. While aid levels remained constant in total dollars from 1987 until 1999, the real value steadily declined. On the other side of the coin, Israel does receive aid on more favorable terms than other nations. For example, all economic aid is given directly to the Israeli government rather than allocated under a specific program. Also, starting in 1982, Israel began to receive all its economic aid in a lump sum early in the fiscal year instead of in quarterly installments as is done for other countries. Israel also receives offsets on FMS purchases (U.S. contractors agree to offset some of the cost of military equipment by buying components or materials from Israel).

A 10-Year Military Aid Agreement
In August 2007, the Bush Administration agreed to increase U.S. military assistance to Israel by $6 billion over the following decade. Israel is to receive incremental annual increases of $150 mllion, starting at $2.55 billion in FY2009 and reaching $3.15 billion per year for FY2013-2018.

2009
$2.55 billion
2010
$2.70 billion
2011
$2.85 billion
2012
$3.00 billion
2013-2018
$3.15 billion per year
Israel receives the FMF aid in a lump sum in the first month of the fiscal year. The funds are placed in an interest bearing account and that interest is used to pay down Israel’s debt to the United States, which was $1 billion as of December 2006.

In addition to FMF, Israel also receives money for the joint development of missile defense systems. These amounts have been growing over the years, with the bulk of the funding going to the Arrow program.

Defense Budget Appropriations for U.S.-Israeli Missile Defense
(FY2006-FY2012)

($ millions)

System Type

David's Sling 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 * 2012
$10.0 $20.4 $37.0 $72.895 $80.092 $47 $69

Arrow-2
$122.866 $117.494 $98.572 $74.342 $72.306 $24 $105

High Altitude Arrow-3
20.0 $30.0 $50.036 $51 $61
Total $132.866 $137.894 $155.572 $177.237 $202.434 $122 $235
Sources: Clyde R. Mark, "Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance," Congressional Research Service, (July 12, 2004); U.S. State Department; USAID, Congressional Budget Justification for FY06 Foreign Operations, March 2005; Jeremy M. Sharp, “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel,” (DC: Congressional Research Service, December 4, 2009); Jim Zanotti, "Israel: Background and U.S. Relations," Congressional Research Service (February 28, 2014).



We give you tons of money, access to the best weapons in the world over other countries and we stick up for you at the U.N. (most of the time) when you guys do stupid shit. I'm totally pro-Israel but don't tell me the U.S. does nothing for Israel. That's a crock of shit. How much does Russia do for you ? China ? Exactly.

Dude- I didn't say that you don't give aid for us, I said that you didn't give us any in 1967
And we don't do stupid shit, also, that's not tons of money, but we thank you, its less than 0.3% of our annual GDP

1 your prime minster called for end of the war after the failed isreali counter attack
2 our advance outside the air defense range was not our fault no army in the world can fight in open desert without air cover while being bombed by air force and sourronded by tanks
3 even after that we had the numbers and it is true that some of our SAMs were destroyed after the isrealis crossed the canal but our air force losses were not high and it could protect our forces not 100 percent but still could provide cover I remind you of the battle of mansora
4 you tried to flank us but you could not win not in suez or ismalia
5 we captured many men and tanks from you also
6 with the high losses you suffered in the war you could not afford war any longer than us every Egyptian life is important but we were ready to fight to the last man to get a win as our reputation as an army could not survive another defeat after the 67 war

1. No she didn't, the US and USSR asked for it.
2. Its your fault that you pushed into the Sinai, while we already destroyed your air force and many SAMs, don't blame us for pushing into the Sinai like that.
3. If your airforce losses were not high, and it was after your troops failed to push into the Sinai, how come you didn't have air cover to support your troops that pushed into the Sinai?
the Battle of Mansoura in Wikipedia:
"Sometime around 15:30, the Egyptian Air Defense Command issued a warning that around sixty enemy aircraft were approaching from the Mediterranean Sea in three directions; one from Port Said, another from Damietta, and the third from Baltim, to the west of Damietta. Mubarak ordered his pilots in the air to intercept them. The 16 MiG-21s forming the air umbrella over Mansoura moved against the Israeli aircraft with the objective of breaking the enemy formations and forcing them to disperse. 16 MiG-21s took off from Mansoura air base to support those in the air, along with eight fighters from Tanta air base, located west of Mansoura. The MiG-21s intercepted the Israeli formation a few dozen kilometers north of Mansoura.**[citation needed]**"
Any ways, Official Israeli Air Force losses of the Yom Kippur War number at 102 aircraft, including 32 F-4 Phantoms, 53 A-4 Skyhawks, 11 Dassault Mirages, and 6 IAI Saars, though total Egyptian losses were between 235 and 242 aircraft, while Syria lost between 135 and 179.
4. That's a victory for you? Its like saying "I smoke cigarettes I'm healthy because I don't have cancer", We already flanked you, capturing 8000 soldiers and the entire Egyptian third army, that's 4 times the amount both Egypt and Syria killed.
5. Nope, only 293 Israeli soldiers were captured, compared to 8783 of yours that were captured.
6. "High losses" you only killed 2512-2800 Israeli soldiers, Israeli air force was in complete dominance over both Egypt and Syria, we were just 25 kilometers away from Damascus, 100 from Cairo, and the Americans and Soviets said to ISRAEL, enough is enough, you were defeated.

 

[The SC]

First of all, learn to spell "Israel"
Second of all, I don't believe statements, I believe facts, sources, None of those were in battle
Like asking some president to teach you how to build a jet fighter, just because he is a president, doesn't mean he knows everything, same about generals and PM



Dude- I didn't say that you don't give aid for us, I said that you didn't give us any in 1967
And we don't do stupid shit, also, that's not tons of money, but we thank you, its less than 0.3% of our annual GDP


1. No she didn't, the US and USSR asked for it.
2. Its your fault that you pushed into the Sinai, while we already destroyed your air force and many SAMs, don't blame us for pushing into the Sinai like that.
3. If your airforce losses were not high, and it was after your troops failed to push into the Sinai, how come you didn't have air cover to support your troops that pushed into the Sinai?
the Battle of Mansoura in Wikipedia:
"Sometime around 15:30, the Egyptian Air Defense Command issued a warning that around sixty enemy aircraft were approaching from the Mediterranean Sea in three directions; one from Port Said, another from Damietta, and the third from Baltim, to the west of Damietta. Mubarak ordered his pilots in the air to intercept them. The 16 MiG-21s forming the air umbrella over Mansoura moved against the Israeli aircraft with the objective of breaking the enemy formations and forcing them to disperse. 16 MiG-21s took off from Mansoura air base to support those in the air, along with eight fighters from Tanta air base, located west of Mansoura. The MiG-21s intercepted the Israeli formation a few dozen kilometers north of Mansoura.**[citation needed]**"
Any ways, Official Israeli Air Force losses of the Yom Kippur War number at 102 aircraft, including 32 F-4 Phantoms, 53 A-4 Skyhawks, 11 Dassault Mirages, and 6 IAI Saars, though total Egyptian losses were between 235 and 242 aircraft, while Syria lost between 135 and 179.
4. That's a victory for you? Its like saying "I smoke cigarettes I'm healthy because I don't have cancer", We already flanked you, capturing 8000 soldiers and the entire Egyptian third army, that's 4 times the amount both Egypt and Syria killed.
5. Nope, only 293 Israeli soldiers were captured, compared to 8783 of yours that were captured.
6. "High losses" you only killed 2512-2800 Israeli soldiers, Israeli air force was in complete dominance over both Egypt and Syria, we were just 25 kilometers away from Damascus, 100 from Cairo, and the Americans and Soviets said to ISRAEL, enough is enough, you were defeated.

"and the Americans and Soviets said to ISRAEL, enough is enough, you were defeated" (your last sentence):
Meaning, we have allowed you to save your soul and face, now it is finished , The Arabs won the war and ypu were defeated you can not push them any further and you did put you soldiers on the west side of the Canal in a death trap, we can not protect you anymore..

 

[Beny Karachun]

"and the Americans and Soviets said to ISRAEL, enough is enough, you were defeated" (your last sentence):
Meaning, we have allowed you to save your soul and face, now it is finished , The Arabs won the war and ypu were defeated you can not push them any further and you did put you soldiers on the west side of the Canal in a death trap, we can not protect you anymore..

Wait, what??? They said it in the end of the war when the Israelis were winning against the Egyptians and Syrians, while we were on our way to Cairo and Damascus, the result was the entire Egyptian third army is destroyed or captured, huge losses to the armies defending the Suez and Chinese farm, 2/3 of the Egyptian air force destroyed, the whole Syrian destroyed
Look at the statistics for f*ck sake:
Israeli total casualties:
2521 Israeli soldiers
293 captured
1063 tanks destroyed or captured
102 aircraft destroyed

Meanwhile, Arab casualties:
18500 soldiers
2300 tanks
514 aircraft destroyed
19 ships

Now tell me how Israel lost this war