Why Arabs lost all its wars to Israel despite outnumbering Israel in weapons and manpower?

[Faravahar]

how exactly?

Zionists were occupying Lebanese territory and were spanked and kicked out.

 

[19887]

. And the 1973 war ended with Israel giving back Sinai

It is not true at all
1973 ended when the world pressure on us to stop fighting, the Americans asked not hurt Arab dignity because then they start another war in retaliation
Sinai was returned to Egypt following a peace agreement years later

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

The Arabs were caught off guard in the Six-Day War, not to mention the fact that many Arab leaders, particularly King Hussein of Jordan, accused the Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser of betrayal. Plus, there was (and still is) a lot of corruption and mismanagement in the Arab World.

In the end, the Israelis were more hungry for survival (and expansion) than the Arabs were for the liberation of Palestine. Jordan was arguably more serious about the Palestinian cause than Egypt ever was, but it's still debatable to this day.

Anyway, in truth, the Arabs only have themselves to blame for losing against Israel.

Also, size doesn't always matter. Israel is a miracle worker when push comes to shove.

 

[19887]

Zionists were occupying Lebanese territory and were spanked and kicked out.

And you think that israel invade to lebanon to stay and take the land?
israel invade to the area where all the rocket were stored

 

[Faravahar]

And you think that israel invade to lebanon to stay and take the land?
israel invade to the area where all the rocket were stored

Keep peddling fantasies kid. Regardless, what happened in 06 is that Isreal got a spanked by a small group of arabs. Only zionists pretend not to believe that.

 

[Solomon2]

...Some jews obviously have some claim for religious reasons -

The correct formula is that Jews are a people, Judaism is their religion, and Israel is their National Home. This is illustrated by the fact that the test of immigrants for citizenship is if they are Jewish by descent, not their religious practice.

I know it's constantly mis-taught in Pakistan. The purpose of doing that, apparently, is to reduce Jews from a people (which they have been considered to be by the world for over 2,000 years) to a mere religious group, and thus deny a moral basis of the Jewish State.

and constant war is not a full solution and that is why Egypt normalized ties long time ago -

It's been more of a cold peace, but that may slowly change. I

Jeruslam's only future is international city monitored and governed by UN perhaps -

It's clear that Jerusalem has never been so prosperous, nor its faiths so free to worship, as under Israeli rule - though access to the Temple Mount for Jews needs to be improved.

Jews in general had better ties with Muslim nations thru out long term history (to which I was suprised as I never learned it in school , only when I reached high education levels I was made aware of such relations)

For over a hundred and fifty years nations like France and Britain have worked at displacing the millennia-long focus of Muslim-nonMuslim conflict from European Christians to Jews. Their benefits have been increased trade, cheap imported Muslim labor, and a phony image of comparative sanctity they treasure after the horrors of the World Wars. The Jewish State was seen as a kind of bulwark, with hostility between Arab and Jew serving as assurance that Asia would not become a world power again. The fact that admitting large numbers of Muslim immigrants could mean putting the asp to their breast was not something these Europeans considered.

 

[19887]

Keep peddling fantasies kid. Regardless, what happened in 06 is that Isreal got a spanked by a small group of arabs. Only zionists pretend not to believe that.

brainwashed alert

 

[jhungary]

Why do you think Arab armies despite being united for once, couldn't defeat a tiny country like Israel? Despite arab armies being heavily backed by USSR in Yom Kippur war, couldn't dent Israel??


Arabs had infact superior artillery and equipment, and larger no. of tanks and man power. Still Israel humiliated them???




What's the biggest reason for their defeats in all the wars (Yom Kippur, 6Day war etc.) ?? And even if u say that US backed Israel it gets countered as USSR heavily backed Arabs and provided them with SAM batteries but they still couldn't do sh*t and Arab plans were target practice for the Israeli Mirages.


So, thoughts?? Have the Arabs lost the art of War and became too soft or horrible tactics or what??

You want a tactical analysis or a political analysis??

Tactically, the Arabs have committed a major mistake during the 67 and 73 war, and that is they fed into Israel piecemeal.

In short (It's 4 am here)

in 67, the responsibility to destroy Israel is not shared within the Arab alliance, it's basically an Egyptian led operation, Jordanian and Syrian (Also other minor player) are in a supporting mode. Israel saw that and they simply destroy the Egyptian Air Force, which formed the backbone of Egyptian military might, and once that is gone, the Egyptian ground force would simply raped by IAF.


in 73, Egyptian improved the communication, and was actually winning in the first stage of Yom Kippur War, but what the Israel do is simply put the Sinai front on hold, and focus on their eastern neighbour, defeated Syria first , then Jordan, Iraq and Other minor player in Golan, only then they force Egyptian hand and engage and destroy the Egyptian and reverse their fortune.

In short, Egyptian should use the strategy they use in 73 to fight the 67 war, and the 67 strategy to fight the 73 war.

Politically, the Arab alliance does not quite trust each other, Egyptian was not in a way of trusting the Syrian to fill their promise in after they conquer Israel in 6 days war, which Syrian were to only occupied Golan Height and part of Jerusalem, they want to go in first and thus they decided to engage the Israeli even tho their Air Force in that region were almost completely destroyed.

In Yom Kippur War, the Egyptian stance changed, and they fought overcaution even when they are winning the war. Thus they let the Israeli to have a breather and they allow the Israeli to neutralise their eastern threat first, and rushed into battle once the eastern flank are in danger of collapsing.

That is a nutshell, and if you want, I can give you a more detail analysis tomorrow.

 

[LeGenD]

Why do you think Arab armies despite being united for once, couldn't defeat a tiny country like Israel? Despite arab armies being heavily backed by USSR in Yom Kippur war, couldn't dent Israel??


Arabs had infact superior artillery and equipment, and larger no. of tanks and man power. Still Israel humiliated them???




What's the biggest reason for their defeats in all the wars (Yom Kippur, 6Day war etc.) ?? And even if u say that US backed Israel it gets countered as USSR heavily backed Arabs and provided them with SAM batteries but they still couldn't do sh*t and Arab plans were target practice for the Israeli Mirages.


So, thoughts?? Have the Arabs lost the art of War and became too soft or horrible tactics or what??

I'll make this simple for you: superior tactics and timely initiative.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Why do you think Arab armies despite being united for once, couldn't defeat a tiny country like Israel? Despite arab armies being heavily backed by USSR in Yom Kippur war, couldn't dent Israel??


Arabs had infact superior artillery and equipment, and larger no. of tanks and man power. Still Israel humiliated them???




What's the biggest reason for their defeats in all the wars (Yom Kippur, 6Day war etc.) ?? And even if u say that US backed Israel it gets countered as USSR heavily backed Arabs and provided them with SAM batteries but they still couldn't do sh*t and Arab plans were target practice for the Israeli Mirages.


So, thoughts?? Have the Arabs lost the art of War and became too soft or horrible tactics or what??

Stranger things have happened. Look at how Britain took on much larger nations.

 

[LeGenD]

Also add to the topic: Why Iraq (the strongest Arab army of that time) fell like a house of cards in front of the US troops and couldn't even put up a decent fight ?? What is wrong with the arab armies?

Bro,

American war-machine became most powerful and resourceful in the world during 1980s and will remain unparalleled in the aspects of firepower, mobility and situational awareness for years to come.

In the aftermath of disastrous Vietnam War, Americans pioneered the Network-centric warfare doctrine to defeat modern threats (specially the Red Army). Network-centric warfare doctrine is based on the theory that combination of vastly superior mobility, firepower and coordination among the units on the ground, makes it nearly impossible for an hostile force to hold its ground, prolong a conflict and make it more costly for the aggressor in the long-term. As computing technologies matured, Network-centric warfare seemed possible. This doctrine came into effect during 1980s and it was put into effect during Persian Gulf War in 1991. Iraq was not in the position to do much in this scenario just like any other Asian country.

 

[M.SAAD]

You want a tactical analysis or a political analysis??

Tactically, the Arabs have committed a major mistake during the 67 and 73 war, and that is they fed into Israel piecemeal.

In short (It's 4 am here)

in 67, the responsibility to destroy Israel is not shared within the Arab alliance, it's basically an Egyptian led operation, Jordanian and Syrian (Also other minor player) are in a supporting mode. Israel saw that and they simply destroy the Egyptian Air Force, which formed the backbone of Egyptian military might, and once that is gone, the Egyptian ground force would simply raped by IAF.


in 73, Egyptian improved the communication, and was actually winning in the first stage of Yom Kippur War, but what the Israel do is simply put the Sinai front on hold, and focus on their eastern neighbour, defeated Syria first , then Jordan, Iraq and Other minor player in Golan, only then they force Egyptian hand and engage and destroy the Egyptian and reverse their fortune.

In short, Egyptian should use the strategy they use in 73 to fight the 67 war, and the 67 strategy to fight the 73 war.

Politically, the Arab alliance does not quite trust each other, Egyptian was not in a way of trusting the Syrian to fill their promise in after they conquer Israel in 6 days war, which Syrian were to only occupied Golan Height and part of Jerusalem, they want to go in first and thus they decided to engage the Israeli even tho their Air Force in that region were almost completely destroyed.

In Yom Kippur War, the Egyptian stance changed, and they fought overcaution even when they are winning the war. Thus they let the Israeli to have a breather and they allow the Israeli to neutralise their eastern threat first, and rushed into battle once the eastern flank are in danger of collapsing.

That is a nutshell, and if you want, I can give you a more detail analysis tomorrow.

Thanks Bro, nice post

 

[guest11]

Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.

1948 - Arabs lost the war. Bad leadership and lack of proper strategies. If the objective of war is to end occupation of land by Jews and you fail to uproot them, then its a defeat not a stalemate.

1967 - Good planning, superb intelligence, better training and some luck on Israel's side. People moaning about the US supplying arms to Israel is incredibly ironic considering they will be the very first to deny that the same thing happened in 1971 is this part of the world (offtopic). Soviet Union did the same for Arabs, plenty of articles around to support that.

1973 - Some lessons learned by Egypt and a good initiative in Sinai. Using the SAM coverage to advance was indeed an excellent idea, stepping out of it was not.

2006 - Same principal as 1948. If you fail to achieve your objectives, you have a defeat at your hands. This time it was Israel's.

@jhungary , please post a detailed analysis of 2006 if you can. Thanks.

 

[flamer84]

Why do you think Arab armies despite being united for once, couldn't defeat a tiny country like Israel? Despite arab armies being heavily backed by USSR in Yom Kippur war, couldn't dent Israel??


Arabs had infact superior artillery and equipment, and larger no. of tanks and man power. Still Israel humiliated them???




What's the biggest reason for their defeats in all the wars (Yom Kippur, 6Day war etc.) ?? And even if u say that US backed Israel it gets countered as USSR heavily backed Arabs and provided them with SAM batteries but they still couldn't do sh*t and Arab plans were target practice for the Israeli Mirages.


So, thoughts?? Have the Arabs lost the art of War and became too soft or horrible tactics or what??

God is an Israel groupie.First the pharaoh,now the Arabs

 

[Falcon29]

God is an Israel groupie.First the pharaoh,now the Arabs

God isn't real, God wasn't there when the Romans ran them over or when Hitler man handled them.