Why and how the US must confront Burma's Rohingya genocide

[Centaur]

LOL. Your cursing is a sign of your low education and frustration at being shown the hard truth.

Come back when you have learnt to speak for yourself. You are just a drone and nothing more.

This thread isn't about anyone's languge skill and academic qualification, is it?
Perhaps it's better to stay on topic.

 

[Bilal9]

Obviously, You are not using those skills here.
Sentences are started with a capital letter.
Your comment: ”they rated my math is 99% percentile” is hilarious.
Reminds me of a friend, claiming in his CV that his English was ”excelent”.

After reading this guy's posts I wanted to shoot myself!

And he claims to have gone to a top ten US University. They have a minimum proficiency requirement for English called a TOEFL for US Universities (they don't teach classes in Mandarin), I doubt this guy ever took the TOEFL.

Oh my dear sweet Lord!

 

[UKBengali]

LOL @Chinese-Dragon @dy1022 @pher

You have now fully understood the spine of these BDees....i.e complete lack of one.

They will kiss certain countries behinds (and yours from time to time too), because it helps them to ignore having to wipe their own first....actually they havent even finished squatting over the river they drink from.

They wont change, you are wasting time here. Just sit back enjoy 2018 and selectively troll them when the reality happens....reasoned discussion is not their cup of tea, they drank too much butthurt koolaid (and other stuff).

Look at all this love for US and UK lol. The same UK that did a massive famine on their own people (the real genocide on Bangladesh, not the fake on in 1971)...pretty much on purpose....and they holding the west as paragon of morals and virtue.....because no one around them gives an iota of respect...so they run to those further away no matter how bad they are (and have been to them too).....looking for that desperate recognition and feeling of acceptance. Stupid fools cannot handle a cold lonely world where you have to stick up for yourself first....before you taken seriously.

Jesus, you are so desperate that you are trying to make common cause with Chinese who completely despise Indians and think of Hindus with utter contempt.
BD and China still have a common interest in that both dislike India and so co-operation against your "country" will continue.

 

[Nilgiri]

Jesus, you are so desperate that you are trying to make common cause with Chinese who completely despise Indians and think of Hindus with utter contempt.
BD and China still have a common interest in that both dislike India and so co-operation against your "country" will continue.

LOL, a stupid ignorant BeeDee talking about what it thinks on Indians and Chinese in real world interaction.

Tell me small, stunted 70% poverty one, how many Chinese visit India and vice versa....and compare it to China and BD....just for starters.

Lets see how much more "contempt" they have for BD on per capita basis based on that simple figure.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Bangladesh prefers to be a vassal state to India, and the members here are hoping to switch that allegience from India to the USA.

How can Bangladesh be an Indian vassal? When Bangladesh has never been subservient to India as much as China has been to USA.

First
While USA like a typical former colonial master continues to interfere in PRC's internal affairs by aiding Chinese renegade province i.e Taiwanese occupied PRC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

India never supported any renegade province in Bangladesh.

Second
During the coldwar your nation's founding father Mao planned to export millions of Chinese women to USA

While Bangladeshi Leaders have never made such "bizarre" offers to India

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/what-mao-said-to-henry/2008/02/13/1202760396322.html

Mao proposed 'exporting' millions of women to US

Third
Unlike USA which blew up Chinese embassy in Belgrade and got away with it, India never destroyed Bangladeshi embassy anywhere on the planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade

Finally in the 2000s era, Unlike USA which got away with killing a Chinese pilot while spying on your nation, India never got into such issue with Bangladesh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

Given such long history of bowing down to American pressure, How do you have the face to accuse Bangladesh of being a vassal of India?

Seems more like you cannot mentally accept your nation's subservience to USA and only way to feel better about yourself is to wish Bangladesh was just like your nation.


Bangladeshi members please correct me if I am wrong anywhere @Nabil365 , @Mage @TopCat @Jacksparrow47 @Bilal9

 

[UKBengali]

LOL, a stupid ignorant BeeDee talking about what it thinks on Indians and Chinese in real world interaction.

Tell me small, stunted 70% poverty one, how many Chinese visit India and vice versa....and compare it to China and BD....just for starters.

Lets see how much more "contempt" they have for BD on per capita basis based on that simple figure.

What a ridiculous post even by your standards

 

[Bilal9]

No...not really. The influences of others need to be balanced for sovereignty today. In this world now...only US is independent. And China is reaching there. Others have to sacrifice. No matter how small. That's why BD can't get dependent on a single country. US buys a lot from us. Not cancelling Sonadia would've meant that we are serving Chinese interest instead of ours own. Your leadership do understand it. That's why you still see BD and China cooperating in many fields. But they also know that BD won't be subservient like Myanmar. Hence they prefer them in situations like this. BD leadership is also smart enough not to damage ties with China over it.

In addition to what you mentioned, I don't think we could compare the role of Sonadia Island port with Kyaukphyu port in Myanmar or Gwadar port in Pakistan.

For Pakistan and Myanmar, those ports are not vital for their foreign trade especially container trade and not an urgent need.

Sonadia however is.

The placement of Sonadia is along the Export zone corridor in Bangladesh (at the end of it).

Mongla is out of the question and too far inland (low draft) as a container port, Payra is going to be more of a military marine/SAR naval port (50/50) which also has draft issues and Chittagong is already saturated (and having draft issues too) as far as container handling capacity (even with the addition of New Mooring terminal).

Sonadia was and remains our only hope for a large deep-draft container port for massive quantity of container handling. If the Chinese want 70~80% stake in it, sorry but no can do. We can pay a few dollars extra and have someone without hegemonic ambitions build that port.

Like the Chinese, we have to look at our own selfish interests as well.

But I think the Chinese will be happy with Kyaukphyu port without the Rohingya.

That is one of the major reasons IMHO why Rohingya were kicked out of Rakhine in the first place.

The Chinese don't want to risk having a Rohingya population in that area who possess a backbone and an independent mindset to cause disruption in that port and the oil pipeline. Too much trouble in Chinese hands to handle...so Rohingya had to pay a price and they had to go.

This is what has been promised for Kyaukphyu almost three/four years now, in planning for a decade...

And this is what Kyaukphyu looks like today

 

[Brainsucker]

I don't think you could compare Sonadia Island port with Kyaukphyu in Myanmar or Gwadar in Pakistan.

For Pakistan and Myanmar, those ports are not vital for their foreign trade especially container trade and not an urgent need.

Sonadia however is.

The placement of Sonadia is along the Export zone corridor in Bangladesh (at the end of it).

Mongla is out of the question and too far inland as a container port, Payra is going to be more of a military marine/SAR naval port (50/50) and has draft issues and Chittagong is already saturated (and having draft issues) as far as container handling capacity (even with the addition of new mooring terminal).

Sonadia was and remains our only hope for a large deep-draft container port. If the Chinese want 70~80% stake in it, sorry but no can do. We can pay a few dollars extra and have someone without hegemonic ambitions build that port.

Like the Chinese, we have to look at our own selfish interests as well.

But I think the Chinese will be happy with Kyaukphyu port without the Rohingya.

That is one of the major reasons IMHO why Rohingya were kicked out of Rakhine in the first place.

The Chinese don't want to risk having a Rohingya population in that area who possess a backbone and an independent mindset to cause disruption in that port and the oil pipeline. Too much trouble in Chinese hands to handle...so Rohingya had to pay a price and they had to go.

The bold : Wow, you accuse China to be racist and hate the existence of Rohingya. And you accuse them to be the one who responsible to what happen to Rohingya today. Just because they don't do "enough" for Rohingya.

But do you know that Rohingya are not the only minority that got cruel treat in Myanmar? Do you remember Kokang? Or maybe, do you know Kokang? They had the same fate like Rohingya. But only China care about them. I won't blame you if you don't know or care about Kokang. Because they just Alien who live elsewhere for you. But for China, Kokang are more important than Rohingya. Because they have closer ties with Han Ethnicity. Some are even argue that they are Han people, which means they have blood relation with 90% of Chinese population.

Some years ago, many Kokang civilians left Myanmar and take refuge to China. Their fate were similar to what happen to Rohingya today. Many Chinese Netizen were angry back then. They wanted China to invaded Myanmar for what they did to Kokang. But China Government decide to chose more peaceful resolution with Myanmar. I remember that many people chose to side to Myanmar than China. And some even accuse China to arm Kokang Rebels to the teeth. What Bangladesh did that time? Even if Bangladesh didn't do anything for Kokang, no Chinese blame you.

So now, how can you expect China to care about Rohingya more than Kokang? And now you accuse China that they take side with Myanmar and want to drive Rohingya away? At least They bring Themselves in, to mediate between Bangladesh and Myanmar. They do their part to find a peaceful solution for Rohingya. And you doubt them and think that they oppose you in what they do for you.

 

[Bilal9]

At least They bring Themselves in, to mediate between Bangladesh and Myanmar. They do their part to find a peaceful solution for Rohingya.

Eyewash and lipservice is what I call it. You cannot play with the lives and future of two million people (displacing them under flimsy illegal pretexts) just because it 'suits' your interests.

The only reason these Rohingyas are not being armed is because Bangladesh chose to follow the path of industrialization, stability and prosperity, and not deal with a burning house next door.

The sandal-wearing unprofessional Bamar homicidal army can be dealt with very easily by keeping them busy with a guerrilla war of attrition, but that is not in our best future interests.

What a ridiculous post even by your standards

He's really gone off the deep end now.

Halarey dhoira thapraitey partam....

 

[dy1022]

The bold : Wow, you accuse China to be racist and hate the existence of Rohingya. And you accuse them to be the one who responsible to what happen to Rohingya today. Just because they don't do "enough" for Rohingya.

But do you know that Rohingya are not the only minority that got cruel treat in Myanmar? Do you remember Kokang? Or maybe, do you know Kokang? They had the same fate like Rohingya. But only China care about them. I won't blame you if you don't know or care about Kokang. Because they just Alien who live elsewhere for you. But for China, Kokang are more important than Rohingya. Because they have closer ties with Han Ethnicity. Some are even argue that they are Han people, which means they have blood relation with 90% of Chinese population.

Some years ago, many Kokang civilians left Myanmar and take refuge to China. Their fate were similar to what happen to Rohingya today. Many Chinese Netizen were angry back then. They wanted China to invaded Myanmar for what they did to Kokang. But China Government decide to chose more peaceful resolution with Myanmar. I remember that many people chose to side to Myanmar than China. And some even accuse China to arm Kokang Rebels to the teeth. What Bangladesh did that time? Even if Bangladesh didn't do anything for Kokang, no Chinese blame you.

So now, how can you expect China to care about Rohingya more than Kokang? And now you accuse China that they take side with Myanmar and want to drive Rohingya away? At least They bring Themselves in, to mediate between Bangladesh and Myanmar. They do their part to find a peaceful solution for Rohingya. And you doubt them and think that they oppose you in what they do for you.

Double standard hypocritical PP in here shameless to blame others for it's own fault,own weakness.
now they are looking for new sugar daddy to bail them out, no matter how many muslims been killed by this new sugar daddy in last 2 decades.

They dig a hole and put their heads in it, Maybe in their eyes those Rohingyas were living in heaven before.

You can't reason with them.

 

[Brainsucker]

Eyewash and lipservice is what I call it. You cannot play with the lives and future of two million people (displacing them under flimsy illegal pretexts) just because it 'suits' your interests.

The only reason these Rohingyas are not being armed is because Bangladesh chose to follow the path of industrialization, stability and prosperity, and not deal with a burning house next door.

The sandal-wearing unprofessional Bamar homicidal army can be dealt with very easily by keeping them busy with a guerrilla war of attrition, but that is not in our best future interests.

He's really gone off the deep end now.

Halarey dhoira thapraitey partam....

Do what you can for Rohingya then, Rohingya share bloodline with Bangladesh. Just like Kokang share bloodline with China. Rohingya, like Kokang definitely need help. It's up to you on how you will take care this problem with Myanmar. If you want to attack them, just do it. You may even give Rohingya rebels with your state of the art weaponry if you like. But if you want to solve it with peaceful solution, then be patient.

Myanmar is a chaotic country, with many rebels in their country. Mostly minority people like Wa, Kokang, Rohingya, etc. They should solve their problem peacefully, but they don't. I don't know how can it happen in there. And I won't judge them because I'm sure that Myanmar have their own problem with how they rule their own country.

China chose to handle the Kokang problem with peaceful solution. Because they know that attacking Myanmar was not a good solution. They didn't want to sacrifice the live of millions Myanmar people for that. But it up to Bangladesh on how they will handle this Rohingya problem.

But I'm curious, what do you want China to do for Rohingya? You said that their help just lips service and not enough. So what do you want them to do?

 

[TopCat]

The bold : Wow, you accuse China to be racist and hate the existence of Rohingya. And you accuse them to be the one who responsible to what happen to Rohingya today. Just because they don't do "enough" for Rohingya.

But do you know that Rohingya are not the only minority that got cruel treat in Myanmar? Do you remember Kokang? Or maybe, do you know Kokang? They had the same fate like Rohingya. But only China care about them. I won't blame you if you don't know or care about Kokang. Because they just Alien who live elsewhere for you. But for China, Kokang are more important than Rohingya. Because they have closer ties with Han Ethnicity. Some are even argue that they are Han people, which means they have blood relation with 90% of Chinese population.

Some years ago, many Kokang civilians left Myanmar and take refuge to China. Their fate were similar to what happen to Rohingya today. Many Chinese Netizen were angry back then. They wanted China to invaded Myanmar for what they did to Kokang. But China Government decide to chose more peaceful resolution with Myanmar. I remember that many people chose to side to Myanmar than China. And some even accuse China to arm Kokang Rebels to the teeth. What Bangladesh did that time? Even if Bangladesh didn't do anything for Kokang, no Chinese blame you.

So now, how can you expect China to care about Rohingya more than Kokang? And now you accuse China that they take side with Myanmar and want to drive Rohingya away? At least They bring Themselves in, to mediate between Bangladesh and Myanmar. They do their part to find a peaceful solution for Rohingya. And you doubt them and think that they oppose you in what they do for you.

Did BD vote against Kokang... ? Or went extra mile supporting Burmese?

 

[Bilal9]

Do what you can for Rohingya then, Rohingya share bloodline with Bangladesh. Just like Kokang share bloodline with China. Rohingya, like Kokang definitely need help. It's up to you on how you will take care this problem with Myanmar. If you want to attack them, just do it. You may even give Rohingya rebels with your state of the art weaponry if you like. But if you want to solve it with peaceful solution, then be patient.

What you or I discuss in this forum is quite irrelevant. I believe Bangladesh Foreign Ministry is pursuing detente with Western Govts. (our traditional trading partners, such as the UK as well as Germany and France) and pursuing UN involvement to start repatriation activity, at least by starting some sort of sanction regime.

Myanmar is a chaotic country, with many rebels in their country. Mostly minority people like Wa, Kokang, Rohingya, etc. They should solve their problem peacefully, but they don't. I don't know how can it happen in there. And I won't judge them because I'm sure that Myanmar have their own problem with how they rule their own country.

Myanmar will remain a junta-controlled clusterf*ck for the foreseeable future. I don't hold out high hopes for Rohingya emancipation. But emancipate them we must. We can't let every two-bit dictator conduct ethnic cleansing just because they feel like it (there will be consequences for that sort of behavior - look at the former Yugoslavia). If Mr. Joko decided tomorrow that all ethnic Chinese need to leave Indonesia just because they are Chinese then that wouldn't be too fair now, would it? I believe you should remember this from last decade.....Bangladesh fully supported the plight of ethnic Chinese situation in Indonesia at that time although Indonesia is a Muslim country and strong ally.

China chose to handle the Kokang problem with peaceful solution. Because they know that attacking Myanmar was not a good solution. They didn't want to sacrifice the live of millions Myanmar people for that. But it up to Bangladesh on how they will handle this Rohingya problem.

You don't have to attack someone all the time. There is diplomacy and sometimes, very 'convincing' diplomacy (such as 'an offer that one cannot refuse').

But I'm curious, what do you want China to do for Rohingya? You said that their help just lips service and not enough. So what do you want them to do?

Again - the Bangladeshi expectation was that China consider the plight of the Rohingya through humanitarian eyes because Rohingyas were the subject of ethnic cleansing by the Myanmar Junta.

Which China did not. China sided with the Myanmar Junta.

This when all Western govts. including Canada, US, UK, Germany France and all Scandinavian countries also took a firm stance against Myanmar Junta.

This was disappointing to us.

 

[Brainsucker]

What you or I discuss in this forum is quite irrelevant. I believe Bangladesh Foreign Ministry is pursuing detente with Western Govts. (our traditional trading partners, such as the UK as well as Germany and France) and pursuing UN involvement to start repatriation activity, at least by starting some sort of sanction regime.

Myanmar will remain a junta-controlled clusterf*ck for the foreseeable future. I don't hold out high hopes for Rohingya emancipation. But emancipate them we must. We can't let every two-bit dictator conduct ethnic cleansing just because they feel like it (there will be consequences for that sort of behavior - look at the former Yugoslavia). If Mr. Joko decided tomorrow that all ethnic Chinese need to leave Indonesia just because they are Chinese then that wouldn't be too fair now, would it? I believe you should remember this from last decade.....Bangladesh fully supported the plight of ethnic Chinese situation in Indonesia at that time although Indonesia is a Muslim country and strong ally.

You don't have to attack someone all the time. There is diplomacy and sometimes, very 'convincing' diplomacy (such as 'an offer that one cannot refuse').

Again - the Bangladeshi expectation was that China consider the plight of the Rohingya through humanitarian eyes because Rohingyas were the subject of ethnic cleansing by the Myanmar Junta.

Which China did not. China sided with the Myanmar Junta.

This when all Western govts. including Canada, US, UK, Germany France and all Scandinavian countries also took a firm stance against Myanmar Junta.

This was disappointing to us.

So now, what do you want with Myanmar Junta? To bring democracy to Myanmar by sending the "UN Police Force" there? Don't you know that every time these "International" army do their justice, the country will become chaotic, just like Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc? And what happen if Myanmar to become like Libya or Syria, with US Aircraft Carriers wander around your sea? Won't Bangladesh suffer too?

Yes, China take side with Myanmar. But they also care about Rohingya, and Bangladesh. They even sent aid to the refuges. And they force Myanmar Junta to stop their military action against the rebel. It's work. Their three phase proposal actually work, because they have the power to influence the Myanmar Junta.

I think what China do can help Rohingya better than what the Western countries do. With their influence, China can bring Rohingya back to Myanmar and end the humanitarian crisis. And I'm sure that Rohingya need more humanitarian help / resolve than a solution to condemn Myanmar Junta. But of course, their solution won't punish those devils in Myanmar.

At the end, it's up to you what's the best for the Rohingya crisis. Do you want to bring USA to your area to punish those devil Myanmar, or you can accept Chinese solution that doesn't punish those criminals, but can help Rohingya and return them to their home.

 

[Centaur]

Double standard hypocritical PP in here shameless to blame others for it's own fault,own weakness.
now they are looking for new sugar daddy to bail them out, no matter how many muslims been killed by this new sugar daddy in last 2 decades.

They dig a hole and put their heads in it, Maybe in their eyes those Rohingyas were living in heaven before.

You can't reason with them.

Pro Chinese Bangladeshi should learn a lesson now.
Your country pretend to be the true ally of Muslims yet you don't spare Uyghur, don't let them fast during Ramadan ,your country support the genocide on rohingya Muslims and defend those murderers ,yet you expect that no one will blame you.
This is the common problem of China and India that they consider themselves regional super powers and try to dominate others ,while your pla use your country made air craft for air Force .

I can bet if you really want to dominate , you should buy military logistics from US or any EU country, as in medieval ages ottomans used to sell cannons to it's opponet .
But i am wondering why you are not seeking the better military stuffs from them ? Or you have several failed attempt? And then using made in China cr.aps ?

Now please don't tell that Bangladesh use Chinese cra.p too. Bangladesh can use those salvage because Bangladesh is not trying to become a super power .