Who's killing India's Secularism?

[The_Showstopper]

Quite an emotional post. Maybe a tear went rolling down my cheek before I realised thatnwe live in reality and demanding something like this in this wretched part of world is too much. Isn't it ?
Kashmir serves as prime example. Indian Muslim majority states HDI and social status alone indicates how much happy they're. As I have mentioned previously. The only way to move in a Hindu dominated society is either become a less of muslim and commit shirk, you will get good head start or be one practising one and find yourself very marginalised.

Saying your ancestors took right decision is just fallacy to make you all happy.
Deep down you k ow the truth better. So no point of denying it

Oh dear, I wanted to keep my post short and sweet but since you insist, let me elaborate. Maybe your media and your government wants you to believe that India is some wretched place with sub-humans all over it. Speaking about Kashmir, who is responsible for their present situation? It is your country's greed which doesn't let Kashmiris live in peace. Let me tell you that Kashmir has been with India for 7 decades and will continue to be with us. Your country has lost numerous soldiers in this quest of getting Kashmir, but that seldom changed anything except for the fact that Kashmir has ended up in such a precarious position. Yes there are human right violations and the present government of India is doing no good in handling the situation. So, if you want Kashmiris to be happy and prosper then get over this obsession of making it your country's integral part and then name it "Azad Kashmir" for name sake.

Please define what lesser muslim is in your terms, I am eager to know.

Let me repeat it again, my ancestors did the right thing to stay back and I thank them for that. The problem with you guys is that you have keep justifying the creation of Pakistan(Just to find some solace as you don't really have much to feel proud about your country) so whenever you see minority related issues in India, you get that chance. Tell me what did you get from creating Pakistan. You can't really claim that your country is in good condition, so if I am getting to study, earn, live and freely follow my religion and get equal rights like other citizens why should I think of any other country. And if you want to speak of various religious killings and other issues, well I am not shying away from them, As I said previously we have issues in our country and we are working on it. Sometimes we are successful and sometimes not. Unlike other Indians, I am not going to label your country a failed state but look at the issues you have in your country, it is no lala land for muslims as much as you want to claim. So please stay grounded.

 

[adil_minhas]

Oh dear, I wanted to keep my post short and sweet but since you insist, let me elaborate. Maybe your media and your government wants you to believe that India is some wretched place with sub-humans all over the it. Speaking about Kashmir, who is responsible for their present situation? It is your country's greed which doesn't let it leave Kashmiris at peace. Let me tell you that Kashmir has been with India for 7 decades and will continue to be with us. Your country has lost numerous soldiers in this quest of getting Kashmir, but that seldom changed anything except for the fact that Kashmir has ended up in such a precarious position. Yes there are human right violations and the present government of India is doing no good in handling the situation. So, if you want Kashmiris to be happy and prosper then get over this obsession of making it your country's integral part and then name it "Azad Kashmir".

Please define what lesser muslim is in your terms, I am eager to know. So that I can formulate my answer appropriately.

Let me repeat it again, my ancestors did the right thing to stay back and I thank them for that. The problem with you guys is that you have keep justifying the creation of Pakistan(Just to find some solace as you don't really have much to feel proud about your country) so whenever you see minority related issues in India, you get that chance. Tell me what did you get from creating Pakistan. You can't really claim that your country is in good condition, so if I am getting to study, earn, live and freely follow my religion and get equal rights like other citizens why should I think of any other country. And if you want to speak of various religious killings and other issues, well I am not shying away from them, As I said previously we have issues in our country and we are working on it. Sometimes we are successful and sometimes not. You also have issues in your country and it is no lala land for muslims as much as you want to claim. So please stay grounded.

De taali !!

 

[salarsikander]

Chinese are occupying holy lands of Indian nation and no one on earth deny that holy places of Indian and Arab nation have to be liberated. Inshallah , our holy lands will be liberat

Are thoseminternationally recognised occupied terriotories ormismjust anoyher hog wash.
In sha allah kashmir land too will be liberated

 

[Hindustani78]

Are thoseminternationally recognised occupied terriotories ormismjust anoyher hog wash.
In sha allah kashmir land too will be liberated

Inshallah , the holy places of Indian and Arab nation will be liberated.

 

[salarsikander]

Inshallah , the holy places of Indian and Arab nation will be liberated.

one is internationally recognised another one is a place that even i do kniw its name. Could yopleae list more details ?

Oh dear, I wanted to keep my post short and sweet but since you insist, let me elaborate. Maybe your media and your government wants you to believe that India is some wretched place with sub-humans all over it. Speaking about Kashmir, who is responsible for their present situation? It is your country's greed which doesn't let Kashmiris live in peace. Let me tell you that Kashmir has been with India for 7 decades and will continue to be with us. Your country has lost numerous soldiers in this quest of getting Kashmir, but that seldom changed anything except for the fact that Kashmir has ended up in such a precarious position. Yes there are human right violations and the present government of India is doing no good in handling the situation. So, if you want Kashmiris to be happy and prosper then get over this obsession of making it your country's integral part and then name it "Azad Kashmir" for name sake.

Please define what lesser muslim is in your terms, I am eager to know.

Let me repeat it again, my ancestors did the right thing to stay back and I thank them for that. The problem with you guys is that you have keep justifying the creation of Pakistan(Just to find some solace as you don't really have much to feel proud about your country) so whenever you see minority related issues in India, you get that chance. Tell me what did you get from creating Pakistan. You can't really claim that your country is in good condition, so if I am getting to study, earn, live and freely follow my religion and get equal rights like other citizens why should I think of any other country. And if you want to speak of various religious killings and other issues, well I am not shying away from them, As I said previously we have issues in our country and we are working on it. Sometimes we are successful and sometimes not. Unlike other Indians, I am not going to label your country a failed state but look at the issues you have in your country, it is no lala land for muslims as much as you want to claim. So please stay grounded.

Had this post been posted in news Editorial, it would have opened the for many opportunities for you in India, but sadly even today it wont. I know its very worst feeling when you have to live with the pain of justfyg your elders mistake every single day of it. It it is no wonder you and Adil have to bitch and moan of policies of India. If it were economic polices failure as we have in Pakistan, that wouldnt have been a problem, but the hatred goes deeper, the depravity of pathetic HDI of muslim Majority states alone paints a different picture altogether. In this dynamic changing world you will have to adapt to the real Indian Culture or just cease to exist if you or adl tries to act like how adil does on PDF all macho and what not.
Blaming the woes on Kashmir would have earned you fame but it seems such policy employed by helpless Muslim
to further discredit the genuine sufferings at indian states in depriving kashmirs of their genuine right(jobs) is not helpful either. I have said this before and I will say it again. Wat development has india taken over Kashmir in the past 70 years to alleviate the alienation feeling there ? Zilch nothing.

In fact Kashmir is blackhole where billion and billions get drained and every indian politicianwould gladly wash his hands in ganga of corruption. Throwing blame at Pakistan wont help you to slove the real issues your community is facing nor blaming kashmiris muslim for being muslims either.

And lastly, the fact tthat Arnab whole channel is based around anti pakistan rhetoric is something you should avoid watching. The whole indian media news is based around lies that even indian MOD had to isue statements, so it seems the india media is doing extremely well job in brainwashing, not that pakistan is economically any better but if youre ok with killings of muslims in kashmir and depriving them of their right or demolishing of babri masjid, Gujrata masscare is fine with you guys, then hey why not ? who am i to say.

But one thing I will say for sure, that this hypocrisy from an indian Muslim is too appalling, I dont see the very same Indian muslims asking for rights in western countries, if anything Hindus are actually the ones putting up with your Bullshits. YOu guys had choice and you made your choice( sadly) however hrash may be the reality, you will have to live with reality. May the blessing of Allah be upon you and your community.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Had this post been posted in news Editorial, it would have opened the for many opportunities for you in India, but sadly even today it wont. I know its very worst feeling when you have to live with the pain of justfyg your elders mistake every single day of it. It it is no wonder you and Adil have to bitch and moan of policies of India. If it were economic polices failure as we have in Pakistan, that wouldnt have been a problem, but the hatred goes deeper, the depravity of pathetic HDI of muslim Majority states alone paints a different picture altogether. In this dynamic changing world you will have to adapt to the real Indian Culture or just cease to exist if you or adl tries to act like how adil does on PDF all macho and what not.
Blaming the woes on Kashmir would have earned you fame but it seems such policy employed by helpless Muslim
to further discredit the genuine sufferings at indian states in depriving kashmirs of their genuine right(jobs) is not helpful either. I have said this before and I will say it again. Wat development has india taken over Kashmir in the past 70 years to alleviate the alienation feeling there ? Zilch nothing.

In fact Kashmir is blackhole where billion and billions get drained and every indian politicianwould gladly wash his hands in ganga of corruption. Throwing blame at Pakistan wont help you to slove the real issues your community is facing nor blaming kashmiris muslim for being muslims either.

And lastly, the fact tthat Arnab whole channel is based around anti pakistan rhetoric is something you should avoid watching. The whole indian media news is based around lies that even indian MOD had to isue statements, so it seems the india media is doing extremely well job in brainwashing, not that pakistan is economically any better but if youre ok with killings of muslims in kashmir and depriving them of their right or demolishing of babri masjid, Gujrata masscare is fine with you guys, then hey why not ? who am i to say.

But one thing I will say for sure, that this hypocrisy from an indian Muslim is too appalling, I dont see the very same Indian muslims asking for rights in western countries, if anything Hindus are actually the ones putting up with your Bullshits. YOu guys had choice and you made your choice( sadly) however hrash may be the reality, you will have to live with reality. May the blessing of Allah be upon you and your community.

Don't worry I already have good opportunities at my disposal. I don't have keep repeating that my ancestors did the right thing by staying back in their motherland, it is you and your fellow Pakistanis who have keep justifying the creation of Pakistan. Citizens do moan/complain against their government(It happens in democracies), I understand that you are unaware of that but we as citizens can and do question our government and the best thing about this is that our country's constitution gives us that right. Are you telling me that Pakistan doesn't have religious/inter-religious conflicts? I hope you won't shy away from the fact that minorities in your country face much more discrimination than us. So when you point fingers at India, it rather looks hypocritical. Agreed Kashmir hasn't developed, but didn't you play your part in keeping them underdeveloped. I don't think there are many countries out there who can develop a volatile border region while their neighbours keep bombing, invading and creating instability in that region.

And no, we aren't blaming you for our problems though your country does all it can to create problems. We are working towards solving them but when you remember Gujarat 2002 and other disgraceful events, also remember that my fellow citizens including Hindus stood for us. Many NGO's which were run by Hindus came down to help muslims. So as I said previously all is not lost. And let me also tell you that many Hindus speak against atrocities on Kashmiris including Kashmiri muslims and the below is one such example

So dude be happy with what you got and let us be content with what we have. You can justify Pakistan's creation for all I care but don't keep on counting the issues we face because you have your own issues to deal with. The day you become a developed state with no religious bigotry then I am ready to accept that our ancestors made a mistake. But rest easy that won't happen until you get rid of your religious zealots within your state and become more of a secular state.

 

[salarsikander]

Don't worry I already have good opportunities at my disposal. I don't have keep repeating that my ancestors did the right thing by staying back in their motherland, it is you and your fellow Pakistanis who have keep justifying the creation of Pakistan. Citizens do moan/complain against their government(It happens in democracies), I understand that you are unaware of that but we as citizens can and do question our government and the best thing about this is that our country's constitution gives us that right. Are you telling me that Pakistan doesn't have religious/inter-religious conflicts? I hope you won't shy away from the fact that minorities in your country face much more discrimination than us. So when you point fingers at India, it rather looks hypocritical. Agreed Kashmir hasn't developed, but didn't you play your part in keeping them underdeveloped. I don't think there are many countries out there who can develop a volatile border region while their neighbours keep bombing, invading and creating instability in that region.

And no, we aren't blaming you for our problems though your country does all it can to create problems. We are working towards solving them but when you remember Gujarat 2002 and other disgraceful events, also remember that my fellow citizens including Hindus stood for us. Many NGO's which were run by Hindus came down to help muslims. So as I said previously all is not lost. And let me also tell you that many Hindus speak against atrocities on Kashmiris including Kashmiri muslims and the below is one such example

So dude be happy with what you got and let us be content with what we have. You can justify Pakistan's creation for all I care but don't keep on counting the issues we face because you have your own issues to deal with. The day you become a developed state with no religious bigotry then I am ready to accept that our ancestors made a mistake. But rest easy that won't happen until you get rid of your religious zealots within your state and become more of a secular state.

Ok. It is indeed hypocrite drom muslim part in india to demand anything, when they were given xhoide, but again property and land is more signifixant than a sacrifise. Lol. Did we play any part in kashmir you guys have forces their, in fact adil is quite congent with the current situation. For all i care, how you guys live or not.

1. Kashmir per Capita income is LESS because it does not allow Indian Industry to buy land and set up industries in kashmir , and hence private capital does not flow into kashmir.

2. A nation formed on the basis of islamic exclusivity can never get rid of their zealots nor can it ever become a secular state. All it can turn into is another afghanistan. Its just a matter of time.

If it wasn't for Hindi movies, that transition would have happened LONG ago.

Lol. Says the one who jails people for transpkting cows, where as in ajother states it is eaten.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Ok. It is indeed hypocrite drom muslim part in india to demand anything, when they were given xhoide, but again property and land is more signifixant than a sacrifise. Lol. Did we play any part in kashmir you guys have forces their, in fact adil is quite congent with the current situation. For all i care, how you guys live or not.

Well you can claim anything you want to believe, serves your purpose. If you go through history, it was mostly the rich muslims in Indian sub-continent who migrated to Pakistan. So your repeated claim of property and land falls flat. The below is a quote from your very own media house, hope you find it authentic.

"When partition came, a large section of the Muslim leadership and the professional class moved to the newly created state of Pakistan. The vast majority of Muslims left behind were poorly educated and demoralised."

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/791827

So it was your ancestors who shifted bases for better future, not our's.

Fair enough, I don't think we would need that concern of yours as of now. So

 

[salarsikander]

Well you can claim anything you want to believe, serves your purpose. If you go through history, it was mostly the rich muslims in Indian sub-continent who migrated to Pakistan. So your repeated claim of property and land falls flat. The below is a quote from your very own media house, hope you find it authentic.

"When partition came, a large section of the Muslim leadership and the professional class moved to the newly created state of Pakistan. The vast majority of Muslims left behind were poorly educated and demoralised."

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/791827

So it was your ancestors who shifted bases for better future, not our's.

Fair enough, I don't think we would need that concern of yours as of now. So

I come from a piss poor family that migrated

 

[The_Showstopper]

I come from a piss poor family that migrated

You and several others like you could be an exception but the fact is majority of those who moved were rich.

 

[salarsikander]

You and several others like you could be an exception but the fact is majority of those who moved were rich.

Not at all. The ones who came with us didnt have the facility of internet banking to yranfer the funds. In fact my elder sisters few bangles were too looted

 

[Vishwabalas]

Wait till you get banned.

Your ill treqtment of dalits is bcoz of muslims?
Another of your vedic bull crap ?

Do you even know who "dalits" are ?

 

[Kaniska]

Due to the idiot Congress who do have any spine to stand for anything good...they messed up India..Mr Jinah made the right choice...Congress try to make a legacy by turning us as secular nation....

Trust me...If Pakistan will have smart leadership like Turkey and Indonesia they could have outclassed us with their intent...We Indian always have a happiness that being secular nation provides us a upper hand in moral sense...But in reality it is getting sifficult to manage people of so diverse thoughts in a single nation...Down the line 20 year, If Pakistan plays smart and follow the advice of China, they will be jewel of Asia...And that point of time these idiotic secular peoplw of Indian political parties will realise the mistake of not turning India as a cultural Hindu nation rather a secular nation....

 

[salarsikander]

Do you even know who "dalits" are ?

Yes, the ones whom your brahmin rape, kill and rape them marginlsised and treat them worse thqn shit.

 

[Vishwabalas]

Circumcised...eee...we don't practice such tribal tradition.Cutting someone's dick in the name religion...omg...I m good to be a Hindu.

Was he actually boasting about being circumcised ? ...... amazing.

People actually take pride in self mutilation.

Yes, the ones whom your brahmin rape, kill and rape them marginlsised and treat them worse thqn shit.

You mean the 1% of the unarmed and vegetarian eating, bookworms raped, killed and abused 60% of the population who was involved hard physical labor ?

Sure, sounds totally legit.