Who will you vote for in next Election on May 14th

[Olympus81]

It is the political stability, internal and external peace, and continuity of policies that matter the most for any country!!

With all due respect, those were the first words uttered by every Chief Martial Law Administrator after the famed words ‘Mere Azeez hum watano ….’

What Pakistan needs is a rule of law and the same law applying to all Pakistanis.

This monkey business of NRO 1,2,3, subverting elections, political engineering, torturing and killing journalists, political adversaries or duffers enacting domestic and foreign policies won’t do.

But then this is not the thread..

 

[Maula Jatt]

Yes.
I have voted for PMLN but it HAS to be minus the deranged, egotistical Nawaz Sharif running the govt. Otherwise, PMLN has plenty of very smart, seasoned politicians who are no-worse than their counterparts in other 'developing' countries.
I'd have voted for PTI but the whole political party is built around the cult of Imran Khan. He dies, the party dies. It is a freaking CULT!! But I do wish Pakistanis would have the wisdom to channel the new idealism brought by Imran Khan to some long term plan. Unfortunately, that's not happening.

PMLn is not a bad party if they get rid of Dar as FM, mariyam is worse than her dad and if she's supposed to be the next PMLn PM candidate

Than add her to the list of my turn -offs

 

[Olympus81]

PMLn is not a bad party if they get rid of Dar as FM

Yes, not bad if they get rid of Nawaz clan, Dar, Khwaja Asifs, Ahsan Iqbal and the corrupt, iqama holders, back pain fakers, money launderers, murderers. Then yea, good party.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Yes, not bad if they get rid of Nawaz clan, Dar,

Right

Khwaja Asifs, Ahsan Iqbal and the corrupt, iqama holders, back pain fakers, money launderers, murderers. Then yea, good party.

No, that's Pakistani politics, you'll always have characters you don't like, there's plenty of such characters in PTI And other parties

Overall PMLn is not a bad party just led by wrong people

 

[PakAlp]

We all see the collapse. But, people put it like IK is somehow responsible for it and deliberately keeping it that way and that's why they won't vote for PTI.

What options does he have? Out of the top three leaders, 2 are lotas (Qureshi and Fawad Ch.), Asad Umar is not politician material. Pervez khattak can't wait to carve up KPK for himself after IK kicks the bucket. Murad Saeed is, charismatic, ideological, up and coming. If IK lives and rules long enough, he might see prominence but other than that, he'll be smothered by the vested interests in the party.

It goes to say more about us as a nation rather than IK that 76 years down the road and we've only had two educated, charismatic and genuine statesmen with considerable mass appeal, bhutto and IK, albeit with their own faults.

PTI does have other senior leaders than Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Pervez Khattak, Pervez Ellahi and other electables. https://www.insaf.pk/leadership
Some of these leaders have been with Pti since 1996 or are grassroot level workers, which I believe is fantastic, like you mentioned its also the fault of the people of Pakistan, they should vote for these leaders rather than the old politicians. The people instead follow the lotas.

 

[AZ1]

If you follow the party ideology, mission, policy then its understandable to be with the same party, in Pakistan no one has a clue about the party ideology, mission, policy etc, they follow the local politicians who then follow the national politicians, the national politicians then follow the International ones.
At the moment ppp, pmln, pmlq are the same parties, Pti is different because of IK but otherwise its the same people and party, Imran Khan himself is struggling to implement his views on his party. Pmln, pti, ppp are national parties with support base across all Pakistan.

ofcourse PTI is because imran khan, ppp is because zardari, pmln is because nawaz sharif so what is the point you are trying to make?

Days are gone when this happen when no one knows party policies. Today is much different and in few years you will see people will think differently.

Imran khan gave shaur to the nation today and it will continue to grow. No one now believe on GEO tv propagamda hamid mir, saafi etc.

Just 10 years ago, people believe whatever talk shows and news feed to people now know everything.

 

[villageidiot]

PTI does have other senior leaders than Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Pervez Khattak, Pervez Ellahi and other electables. https://www.insaf.pk/leadership
Some of these leaders have been with Pti since 1996 or are grassroot level workers, which I believe is fantastic, like you mentioned its also the fault of the people of Pakistan, they should vote for these leaders rather than the old politicians. The people instead follow the lotas.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what I meant. The ones you mentioned are all dynasts, lotas, electables and all in all, spent cartridges. Thanks to last year's events, their politics, while not completely finished, is on its way to, slowly but surely. The grassroots people are the key. But, they won't last against the aforementioned crooks unless IK lives long enough and actively prepares an unequivocal successor who won't be undermined from all sides. Maybe Murad Saeed as CM KP would be a good first step. KP is firmly in PTI's hands and there is not as much danger of inexperience (aka vested interests like khattak) coming back to bite PTI in the a*s like with Buzdar

I think PTI will promptly fall apart after IK and Murad Saeed (if allowed to live by company bahadur) will have to reemerge for it's ashes and form his own party/faction. So, it's important that he carves a strong base in KP while IK is alive.

ofcourse PTI is because imran khan, ppp is because zardari, pmln is because nawaz sharif so what is the point you are trying to make?

Days are gone when this happen when no one knows party policies. Today is much different and in few years you will see people will think differently.

Imran khan gave shaur to the nation today and it will continue to grow. No one now believe on GEO tv propagamda hamid mir, saafi etc.

Just 10 years ago, people believe whatever talk shows and news feed to people now know everything.

What he's saying is unlike PPP which is expected to be ruled by Zardari's offspring, and PMLN, who is supposed to be ruled by the sharifs' offspring, IK has no unequivocal successor. That's a very real concern.

Sure, people have shaoor now but anyone can tout policies. You gotta sell yourself to the public. A genius sitting in his mom's basement is not gonna get votes, you still gotta get out there and win over the public. Gotta have something to show for it. Like a good track record (which is why I talked about Murad saeed as CM KP ), or you gotta have charisma and mass appeal (like IK did).

 

[Meengla]

With all due respect, those were the first words uttered by every Chief Martial Law Administrator after the famed words ‘Mere Azeez hum watano ….’
What Pakistan needs is a rule of law and the same law applying to all Pakistanis.
This monkey business of NRO 1,2,3, subverting elections, political engineering, torturing and killing journalists, political adversaries or duffers enacting domestic and foreign policies won’t do.
But then this is not the thread..

'Mere Aziz Hum Watano' words were needed all the time except in 1977 and those words saved Pakistan as we see today. Never forget Pakistan's very precarious geopolitical situation.

Between 1951-1958, how many PMs Pakistan changed? How much strife already happening in a country with very weak institutions? Ayub Khan's Martial Law propelled Pakistan to the heights never seen before that or after that. And I dare say today's Pakistan is even standing because of his work!! There are accounts I read where he would personally show up in some canal or some projects in Sindh and spend nights in tents, making sure things were done right. And I don't want to go into the 1971 because to me that was inevitable. It was a marriage setup for a divorce from Day 1.

Yahya Khan's Martial Law in 1969 was just a continuation of Ayub's Martial Law if you remove the fake democracy façade from it.

The next justifiable Martial Law was by Musharraf in 1999 and that's because Nawaz Sharif, taking a cue from his mentor Zia ul Haq, was essentially going to become an 'Amir ul Mominoon', which was not unlike Mullah Umar who was ruling in Afghanistan then. Nawaz Sharif is a curse on Pakistan like Altaf Hussein like people!! It is tragedy for Pakistan that the Noon League has become a Family Owned Franchise when they have so many seasoned politicians. I believe the estranged leaders like Ch. Nisar Ali Khan are needed. His services as the Interior Minister are of of the greatest success stories after what Benazir's Interior Minister (forgetting his name) did to crush the MQM terrorism in the 1990s.

 

[villageidiot]

His services as the Interior Minister are of of the greatest success stories after what Benazir's Interior Minister (forgetting his name) did to crush the MQM terrorism in the 1990s.

Maj Gen. Retd. Naseerullah Babar.

'Mere Aziz Hum Watano' words were needed all the time except in 1977 and those words saved Pakistan as we see today. Never forget Pakistan's very precarious geopolitical situation.

Between 1951-1958, how many PMs Pakistan changed? How much strife already happening in a country with very weak institutions? Ayub Khan's Martial Law propelled Pakistan to the heights never seen before that or after that. And I dare say today's Pakistan is even standing because of his work!! There are accounts I read where he would personally show up in some canal or some projects in Sindh and spend nights in tents, making sure things were done right. And I don't want to go into the 1971 because to me that was inevitable. It was a marriage setup for a divorce from Day 1.

Yahya Khan's Martial Law in 1969 was just a continuation of Ayub's Martial Law if you remove the fake democracy façade from it.

The next justifiable Martial Law was by Musharraf in 1999 and that's because Nawaz Sharif, taking a cue from his mentor Zia ul Haq, was essentially going to become an 'Amir ul Mominoon', which was not unlike Mullah Umar who was ruling in Afghanistan then. Nawaz Sharif is a curse on Pakistan like Altaf Hussein like people!! It is tragedy for Pakistan that the Noon League has become a Family Owned Franchise when they have so many seasoned politicians. I believe the estranged leaders like Ch. Nisar Ali Khan are needed. His services as the Interior Minister are of of the greatest success stories after what Benazir's Interior Minister (forgetting his name) did to crush the MQM terrorism in the 1990s.

Ayub's era could arguably be considered the best in absolute terms. Oddly, if he had not imposed martial law, and let the process take it's course, things might have worked out sooner or later. It did in India. They are not much different.

 

[Meengla]

Maj Gen. Retd. Naseerullah Babar.


Ayub's era could arguably be considered the best in absolute terms. Oddly, if he had not imposed martial law, and let the process take it's course, things might have worked out sooner or later. It did in India. They are not much different.

Pakistan and India were in different situations after 1947 as new countries. Not only India was the inheritor of 'India' as a country after the British left the British 'India' but India had much more resources but importantly India had Nehru guiding India. The new country of 'India' must have felt to the world like it would survive but the new 'Pakistan' was questionable. Liaqat Ali Khan, for all his faults, would have guided Pakistan if given more time like Nehru was given.
It took Ayub Khan to save Pakistan. Dictatorships are not always bad. Look at Singapore or China in their earlier years. Nobody should adopt the Western concept of liberal democracy automatically. The West itself arrived at the modern peace and prosperity after many wars and internal struggles against totalitarianism and overcoming dogmas. It was a long journey for the West. And bloody too.