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Who Is Behind Data Darbar Bombing in Pakistan?

Well India funded insurgency in ex-east Pakistan/now Bangladesh plus fund insurgency in Balochistan so I don't see why it's impossible for them to fund terrorists in FATA

As per your logic of proof, how about you giving proof for all these accusations?
Of course I can give you thousands of links with direct or indirect involvement of Pakistani people, but I don't want to spoil the atmosphere.
Majority would just refute them all, as has been the case number of times in the past. So arguments just for the sake of it is illogical.
Thank you.

So let me repeat what I've stated earlier just in case you didn't catch it. Indians accuse ISI and the Pakistani state of supporting terrorists today. i.e. Taliban and in India. There's no proof of that, yet they keep making accusations. No, the thousands of links you're talking about are not proof. They are mere accusations, again. Refuting them is correct in that sense.

It comes down to perspective and what one wants to believe. There's actually proof of Indian involvement but it's not made public due to US pressure. But regardless, you Indians are in no position to ask for proof or whine about Pakistanis accusing India of supporting terrorism without proof. You guys do the same vice versa, i.e. accuse Pakistan of doing terrorism without proof.

Now before you reply to me, let me tell you what my point was to CAPTAIN AMERICA. He is implying that it is impossible for India to support terrorists. My reply was against that point.
 
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So let me repeat what I've stated earlier just in case you didn't catch it. Indians accuse ISI and the Pakistani state of supporting terrorists today. i.e. Taliban and in India. There's no proof of that, yet they keep making accusations. No, the thousands of links you're talking about are not proof. They are mere accusations, again. Refuting them is correct in that sense.

What are you talking about??? There are scores of Internationally banned terrorist groups which are based in Pakistan.Many of these groups are directly linked to cross border terrorism in Kashmir.These groups themselves claim responsibility after the attacks.The former Pakistani dictator Musharraf himself has admitted to using the state machinery in what is widely known as State sponsored terrorism.There are just overwhelming reports about the involvement of ISI as well as the Pakistani terror groups in terrorist activities.Pakistani terrorists were involved in the attack on Indian Parliament,Pakistanis terrorists were involved in Mumbai train bombings and the most recent Mumbai attacks.Pakistan is considered to be the epicenter of terrorism by many countries.If you still want to be in the state of denial,then you can very well be,but let me remind you that,it is this very state of denial of the people of Pakistan that has landed them in trouble.

You people just don't want to accept that the state was involved in this mess through out the time.Let me tell you that presence of so many terrorist cells with such a strong base,camps,ideological support,money,arms,is just not possible without the involvement of the state.You do not want to accept the thousands of overwhelming reports suggesting Pakistani involvement in terrorism,but let me tell you,without fire there can't be any smoke,and coming to think of it,this not just a fire,this is outright wildfire.
It comes down to perspective and what one wants to believe. There's actually proof of Indian involvement but it's not made public due to US pressure. But regardless, you Indians are in no position to ask for proof or whine about Pakistanis accusing India of supporting terrorism without proof. You guys do the same vice versa, i.e. accuse Pakistan of doing terrorism without proof.

Its funny to note that international reports(not just Indian media) come up with news linking Pakistan and terrorism every other day,but when it comes to the involvement of India,it becomes a closely guarded secret??Whom are you trying to deceive actually.It looks like the only person you are trying to convince is yourself.You keep saying that nothing is wrong in the Pakistani side just because you don't want to face the truth.By the way,if Indian involvement in terrorism is a secret,then how come you know about it,or talking about it in a public forum???Care to tell us all what are these secrets???
 
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What are you talking about??? There are scores of Internationally banned terrorist groups which are based in Pakistan.Many of these groups are directly linked to cross border terrorism in Kashmir.These groups themselves claim responsibility after the attacks.

And the state is cracking down upon them thus any allegations through circumstantial evidence goes into the dust.

The former Pakistani dictator Musharraf himself has admitted to using the state machinery in what is widely known as State sponsored terrorism.

I don't remember him saying that and if he did was talking about the 80s and maybe the 90s. I am talking about the current day and age. He also said in Delhi that RAW is supporting terrorists btw.

There are just overwhelming reports about the involvement of ISI as well as the Pakistani terror groups in terrorist activities.Pakistani terrorists were involved in the attack on Indian Parliament,Pakistanis terrorists were involved in Mumbai train bombings and the most recent Mumbai attacks.

Actually the reports against ISI are allegations. There's absolutely no proof that ISI was involved. We discussed this in the thread regarding allegations from LSE.

Pakistan is considered to be the epicenter of terrorism by many countries.If you still want to be in the state of denial,then you can very well be,but let me remind you that,it is this very state of denial of the people of Pakistan that has landed them in trouble.

Actually it's only Indians who consider Pakistan to epicenter of terrorism. Foreigners don't single out Pakistan as you try to. If anyone is in denial, it's you.

You people just don't want to accept that the state was involved in this mess through out the time.

That's your argument? We're suppose to accept something without proof? So why don't you accept Indian support for terrorists as well.

Let me tell you that presence of so many terrorist cells with such a strong base,camps,ideological support,money,arms,is just not possible without the involvement of the state.

So where are the base camps, ideological support, money, arms being provided by the Pakistani state? See what I mean by the denial?

And nevertheless, the state is cracking down on them, so yet again out goes your argument into the dump.

You do not want to accept the thousands of overwhelming reports suggesting Pakistani involvement in terrorism,but let me tell you,without fire there can't be any smoke,and coming to think of it,this not just a fire,this is outright wildfire.

I have to repeat this yet again and I will do it slightly loudly as you still haven't grasped it. Those reports are only allegations - no proof.

Its funny to note that international reports(not just Indian media) come up with news linking Pakistan and terrorism every other day,

1. A run of the mill simplistic argument. International players have similar interests to India hence they will obviously say similar to what India says.
2. Their reports are only allegations.
3. Their states have denied Pakistan involvement.

but when it comes to the involvement of India,it becomes a closely guarded secret?? Whom are you trying to deceive actually.It looks like the only person you are trying to convince is yourself.

Indians make similar kinds of theories - that NATO is not publicly accusing Pakistan and does not publicly present evidence against Pakistan so as to not make Pakistan unhappy.

And remember what I said. I said the Pakistani state is keeping quite due to US pressure.

Internet warriors like you like in your fantasy land should not try to argue things that you have not even a single iota of an idea about. These things are not so simple that armchair experts such as yourself can grasp. The arguments above prove how simplistic and naive your thinking is. Your thinking is completely useless when it comes to the matters that I am discussing.

I don't even know why I discuss with people who use utterly simplistic and naive arguments which will only work in Disney land.

You keep saying that nothing is wrong in the Pakistani side just because you don't want to face the truth.

"The truth"? "THE truth"? How many times have I heard this from an Indian before? What you're talking about is your version of the truth, not the truth.

By the way,if Indian involvement in terrorism is a secret,then how come you know about it,or talking about it in a public forum???Care to tell us all what are these secrets???

And yet again run of the mill simplistic arguments. I never said it's a secret. I said it's not done publicly. There's tons of army/ISI insiders who have confirmed that India is deeply involved in supporting TTP.
 
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Please, do not insult Pakistan and Pakistani's by stating that 'most' think Afghani Taliban are good people. You have no authority to speak for Pakistani's and that too by stating that 'most' Pakistanis support those savages called Taliban.

Yes it's true that most Pakistanis think like that and I m talking about Pakistanis living in Pakistan not in UK or any other country and also not the elite class of English medium schools or Oxford breed.
 
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Yes it's true that most Pakistanis think like that and I m talking about Pakistanis living in Pakistan not in UK or any other country and also not the elite class of English medium schools or Oxford breed.

Last time i heard most of the Pakistanis caught for International Terrorism were well educated Pakistanis living abroad who got carried away by 72 Virgin theory, isn't it?They were all elite, English Medium oxford educated people e.g. Faisal Shahzad

There is no restriction to who will fall for lust for heaven, any one can be a part of it from Madrssa educated people to Oxford ones

BTW I live in Pakistan, so does many of the people like me
 
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Last time i heard most of the Pakistanis caught for International Terrorism were well educated Pakistanis living abroad who got carried away by 72 Virgin theory, isn't it?They were all elite, English Medium oxford educated people e.g. Faisal Shahzad

There is no restriction to who will fall for lust for heaven

BTW I live in Pakistan, so does many of the people like me

So you further proved my point that most pakistanis think that Afghan Talibans are good people even the elites also think like that...:cheers:
 
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So you further proved my point that most pakistanis think that Afghan Talibans are good people even the elites also think like that...:cheers:

you are one of these people who lack the ability to comprehend simple lines & who are out to silently & tactically support the myopic, sexist, delusional mass murdering maniacs just because you & they share a common misdirected hatred towards United States of Satan & are blinded by mythology for a greater world here after

AT is no different from TTP, Pakistanis will condemn the acts of TTP in Pak but any Afghans killed by AT will be labeled as the people consumable for the greater good of God, This is called Hypocrisy.
 
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A few days back may be you were the one who posted an article by the same news paper suggesting that Pakistanis think that Data darbar attacks were due to America....

That was not a survey and this was not conducted by Dawn. It was conducted by Pew Research, the famous "fact tank" that conducts survey on opinion globally and has conducted dozens across Pakistan.

Here's another survey which found 72% believing that the Taliban had a negative influence on the country and only 4% thought they had a positive influence.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126602/taliban-increasingly-unpopular-pakistan.aspx

You are amongst the smallest groups of this country who sympathize with militants who have killed more than 30,000 people in this country.

This is the last warning. If you try to sympathize with them, even in vague terms, you will receive a permanent ban from PDF. The harshes term ever to cone out of your terrorist apologist mouth was "thugs" for the TTP. Any humane and sane person would at least have some decency to label them nothing but murders and maniacs. You have been given too much slack and you have continued your terrorism apologist agenda here. More than 30,000 Pakistanis and thousands of our soldiers have died not for supporting terrorists and their sympathizers like you, but protecting the millions of Pakistanis who hate the Taliban.
 
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you are one of these people who lack the ability to comprehend simple lines & who are out to silently & tactically support the myopic, sexist, delusional mass murdering maniacs just because you & they share a common misdirected hatred towards United States of Satan & are blinded by mythology for a greater world here after

AT is no different from TTP, Pakistanis will condemn the acts of TTP in Pak but any Afghans killed by AT will be labeled as the people consumable for the greater good of God, This is called Hypocrisy.

I am among those person who do not want to deny the fact... I can simply say that most of Pakistanis hate AT but I know from my experience that it's not true... Most of pakistanis think they were good people.....

AT and TTP may be same or may not I m not giving a verdict over this.... I m just stating what I know after having discussions with people of Pakistan...

All other things are just personal attacks I don't consider them worth of replying
 
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That was not a survey and this was not conducted by Dawn. It was conducted by Pew Research, the famous "fact tank" that conducts survey on opinion globally and has conducted dozens across Pakistan.

Here's another survey which found 72% believing that the Taliban had a negative influence on the country and only 4% thought they had a positive influence.

Taliban Increasingly Unpopular in Pakistan

You are amongst the smallest groups of this country who sympathize with militants who have killed more than 30,000 people in this country.

This is the last warning. If you try to sympathize with them, even in vague terms, you will receive a permanent ban from PDF. The harshes term ever to cone out of your terrorist apologist mouth was "thugs" for the TTP. Any humane and sane person would at least have some decency to label them nothing but murders and maniacs. You have been given too much slack and you have continued your terrorism apologist agenda here. More than 30,000 Pakistanis and thousands of our soldiers have died not for supporting terrorists and their sympathizers like you, but protecting the millions of Pakistanis who hate the Taliban.

It's your forum and you can ban me it's up to you.... I have stated many times that I m not a terrorist sympathizer at all.... I just have a different POV.... and this time I was just passing comments based on my talks with common man in Pakistan but looks like you do not want to hear that...
 
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I have stated many times that I m not a terrorist sympathizer at all.... I just have a different POV

Perhaps even a terrorist has "just" a "different POV" as well then? He just wants to see you dead as you do not fit in his political or religious ideology.

Terrorist sympathies are not a "different POV". They are a set of politico-religio-social views that have no place in a sane, rational and plural society.

I was just passing comments based on my talks with common man in Pakistan but looks like you do not want to hear that...

Stop this "common man has this opinion" rant as this has no factual authenticity. The common man you meet must be in your own group of people having ideological inclination similar to yours. Not one, but dozens of surveys have spoken. "Common man" does not support the Taliban. Less than 10% of the people support them or have a favourable opinion about them.
 
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maybe its the same group who plotted the bombs in iraqi shrines to create divide amoungst sunni and shia fighters so they can plot to run iraq......for who they are your guess is good as mine.

divide and conquer first ahmedis, and then shia parade bombing and now this attacking sunnis....pakistan and its people need to stand strong together to defeat this sly evil.
 
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