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Who built Red fort in Delhi???

if stupid kings know that future wars will be fight by missiles guns tanks and airforce they will never waste money and wait for made in china fifth generation fighter plane
 
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Bihari labour like you build it.
1) I am not Bihari. But I don't mind being called Bihari, bcoz they're Indians.
2) Labourers are hard working so I don't mind being called a labourer.
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@Viper0011. just told me it was built by PMLN and its founding stone was laid by ancestors of Sharif sahab. He will prove it once he come online. He will show you proof. His subordinates (who work in his company and he is a owner of that company) from IIT, MIT, Harvard has done some research on it and he will share it with all of us.

Abdul once you are done with your taxi work, share it with all.

If you can't contribute to this thread then pls stay out of this thread. Derailing not allowed!
 
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Shutup and get lost. I am contributing. Viper will soon prove that it was made by PMLN. See my post 33..Over to you my dear American friend sitting in Sindh viper.
Reported for derailing.
 
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Reported for derailing.
Yes!
The behemoth structure occupies about 256 acres of land. So while it was being renovated Moghul rulers might have decided to keep some part of the older structure.


Posting a screen shot from a book which describes Delhi's history....

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All power to you. I am the first to support you in claming everything within your country as "Indian" irrespective of who built it. Whether it was Indian Hindu or Indian Muslim it is for you to sort out. We in Pakistan should mind our own business. This is your internal matter. That is why I will agree with whatever Indian's say. If you say Prithviraj built it, yes sir so be it,no problem.

However coin has two sides. I would ask the same respect paid to our culturel heritage. You can't claim everything in India as "Hindu" or Indian or whatever. That is your choice but then after having digested that you have no right to come into our land and attempt "raping" our heritage. Yours to you. Ours to us. Not yours to you and ours to you as well.

You can't have it both ways.
 
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From the book P.N Oak titled ‘Some Blunders of Indian Historical Research.

1. According to Oak, Prithviraj Raso, a contemporary chronicle tells us that Prithviraj Chauhan, the king who ruled Ajmer and Delhi, lived in a palace on the bank of river Yamuna. Traditional accounts also tell us that Prithviraj’s palace was known as Lal-Kot, that is, a red-walled structure. The only building in Delhi which answers four-square to these specifications is what is today known as the Red Fort. And yet the Mogul emperor Shahjahan is being wrongly given the credit of having built the Red Fort in Delhi.

2. Taimurlang who invaded Delhi in 1398, that is nearly 250 years before Shahjahan, refers to Old Delhi whose inhabitants he massacred. And yet Old Delhi is mentioned in our histories as a city founded by Shahjahan. In fact Old Delhi is built around the axial road – The Chandni Chowk - which joins the Red Fort with the building which is now known as the Fatehpuri Mosque but which was the temple of the hereditary deity of Delhi’s Hindu rulers. So even 400 years before Shahjahan, Old Delhi, Red Fort and Chandnin Chowk did exist.

3. The Yamuna bank to the rear of the fort is known as Raj-ghat. That is a Sanskrit word. It could not have stuck on unless several generations of Rajas had occupied the Red Fort prior to Shahjahan and his predecessors. No Rajas ever ruled from the Red Fort after Shahjahan, the fifth generation Mogul ruler. Had Shahjahan built the fort, the bank stretch of the Yamuna at the rear would have been known as the Badshah Ghat and not Rajghat.

4. The Delhi gate of the fort has a pair of stone elephants outside it. Islam strictly forbids the raising of any images while Rajput monarchs were known for their love of the elephant. On either side of the fort, archways are embossed with stone-flower emblems which appear on all mediaeval Hindu buildings. Running water channels, through which Yamuna water coursed its way throughout the fort, again suggest Rajput construction because Muslims with a desert tradition could never have thought of running-water channels.

5. The Sbravan and Bhado pavilions and the Kesar Kund in the Diwan-i-Khas are again all Hindu terms. The Diwan-i-Khas and the Diwan-i-Aam do not have a single dome or minaret which the Muslim architecture is believed to insist on. The marble balcony in which the ruler used to sit in the Diwan-i-Aam has a temple type ceiling with stalactite style ends nicking out obliquely. The Diwan i-Khas has a striking similarity with the royal apartment inside Ambar (old Jaipur) built by the Rajputs in pre-Mogul times.

6. Every one of the Mogul rulers had a harem of 5,000 women as mentioned in memoirs and chronicles. All of them, the ruler himself and his many children could by no stretch of imagination be accommodated in the two-three rooms that comprise the Diwan-i Khas. The Diwan-i_khas and the Diwan-i-Aam have a mandap style ornate Hindu workmanship. Besides, the Diwan-i-Khas bears a close resemblance to the interior palace in Ambar (Old Jaipur) built around 984 A.D.

7. A marble grill wall near the Diwan-i-Khas displays a balance motif symbolic of royal justice. The Mogul rulers who regarded 99 per cent of their subjects as mere vermin could never think of flaunting that symbol of justice in their palace. But the Rajput rulers advised by their Brahman councillors did certainly have the dispensation of justice as one of their primary functions constantly impressed on them through the scales motif.

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and many more....
 
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All power to you. I am the first to support you in claming everything within your country as "Indian" irrespective of who built it. Whether it was Indian Hindu or Indian Muslim it is for you to sort out. We in Pakistan should mind our own business. This is your internal matter. That is why I will agree with whatever Indian's say. If you say Prithviraj built it, yes sir so be it,no problem.

However coin has two sides. I would ask the same respect paid to our culturel heritage. You can't claim everything in India as "Hindu" or Indian or whatever. That is your choice but then after having digested that you have no right to come into our land and attempt "raping" our heritage. Yours to you. Ours to us. Not yours to you and ours to you as well.

You can't have it both ways.
I know what you are coming to. Harappa??
I did not want to make it a Hindu versus Muslim thread...but now that you are at it let me tell you Islam came into being 1500 years back (Prophet Muhammad was born in 570 CE). So it would be impetuous for you to claim 5000 years structures as those belonging to Muslim rulers because Islam did not exist back then.
Now if you meant that as an Indian we have no claim over Harappan sites then let me assure to a normal Pakistani, Harappan culture of putting vermilion on their forehead and wearing shell bangles ( like Bengali Hindu brides) etc are completely alien.
your ppl can not relate to it, but my ppl do.
Don't want to make you insecure but this is a fact.

From the book P.N Oak titled ‘Some Blunders of Indian Historical Research.

1. According to Oak, Prithviraj Raso, a contemporary chronicle tells us that Prithviraj Chauhan, the king who ruled Ajmer and Delhi, lived in a palace on the bank of river Yamuna. Traditional accounts also tell us that Prithviraj’s palace was known as Lal-Kot, that is, a red-walled structure. The only building in Delhi which answers four-square to these specifications is what is today known as the Red Fort. And yet the Mogul emperor Shahjahan is being wrongly given the credit of having built the Red Fort in Delhi.

2. Taimurlang who invaded Delhi in 1398, that is nearly 250 years before Shahjahan, refers to Old Delhi whose inhabitants he massacred. And yet Old Delhi is mentioned in our histories as a city founded by Shahjahan. In fact Old Delhi is built around the axial road – The Chandni Chowk - which joins the Red Fort with the building which is now known as the Fatehpuri Mosque but which was the temple of the hereditary deity of Delhi’s Hindu rulers. So even 400 years before Shahjahan, Old Delhi, Red Fort and Chandnin Chowk did exist.

3. The Yamuna bank to the rear of the fort is known as Raj-ghat. That is a Sanskrit word. It could not have stuck on unless several generations of Rajas had occupied the Red Fort prior to Shahjahan and his predecessors. No Rajas ever ruled from the Red Fort after Shahjahan, the fifth generation Mogul ruler. Had Shahjahan built the fort, the bank stretch of the Yamuna at the rear would have been known as the Badshah Ghat and not Rajghat.

4. The Delhi gate of the fort has a pair of stone elephants outside it. Islam strictly forbids the raising of any images while Rajput monarchs were known for their love of the elephant. On either side of the fort, archways are embossed with stone-flower emblems which appear on all mediaeval Hindu buildings. Running water channels, through which Yamuna water coursed its way throughout the fort, again suggest Rajput construction because Muslims with a desert tradition could never have thought of running-water channels.

5. The Sbravan and Bhado pavilions and the Kesar Kund in the Diwan-i-Khas are again all Hindu terms. The Diwan-i-Khas and the Diwan-i-Aam do not have a single dome or minaret which the Muslim architecture is believed to insist on. The marble balcony in which the ruler used to sit in the Diwan-i-Aam has a temple type ceiling with stalactite style ends nicking out obliquely. The Diwan i-Khas has a striking similarity with the royal apartment inside Ambar (old Jaipur) built by the Rajputs in pre-Mogul times.

6. Every one of the Mogul rulers had a harem of 5,000 women as mentioned in memoirs and chronicles. All of them, the ruler himself and his many children could by no stretch of imagination be accommodated in the two-three rooms that comprise the Diwan-i Khas. The Diwan-i_khas and the Diwan-i-Aam have a mandap style ornate Hindu workmanship. Besides, the Diwan-i-Khas bears a close resemblance to the interior palace in Ambar (Old Jaipur) built around 984 A.D.

7. A marble grill wall near the Diwan-i-Khas displays a balance motif symbolic of royal justice. The Mogul rulers who regarded 99 per cent of their subjects as mere vermin could never think of flaunting that symbol of justice in their palace. But the Rajput rulers advised by their Brahman councillors did certainly have the dispensation of justice as one of their primary functions constantly impressed on them through the scales motif.

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and many more....

Yes I read his book in bits and parts.
 
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I did not want to make it a Hindu versus Muslim thread...but now that you are at it let me tell you Islam came into being 1500 years back (Prophet Muhammad was born in 570 CE). So it would be impetuous for you to claim 5000 years structures as those belonging to Muslim rulers because Islam did not exist back then.
Now if you meant that as an Indian we have no claim over Harappan sites then let me assure (I do not intend to make you insecure ) to a normal Pakistani Harappan culture of wearing a vermilion on their forehead and wearing shell bangles ( like Bengali Hindu brides) etc are completely alien.
your ppl can not relate to it, but my ppl do.

Do read my post. I said "irrespective" of being Hindu or Muslim they are Indian and of no import to us. That vermillion thing does not mean ditt. Jamaican's dress like English, speak English and have significant Anglo Saxon culture traits however non of that entitles them to claim Stonehenge.

5,000 years is a long time. Things evolve. Modern Italians neither speak the original Latin and are followers of a Semitic religion but that does not divorce them from Ancient Rome. The same applies to modern Eygptians. They speak Arabic, are Muslim mostly, use Arabic characters. That does not divorce them either.
 
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We all know of this architectural beauty called red fort where every year on our Independence Day Prime Minister hoists red flag, today I stumbled on some conflicting details regarding its construction and ownership.

1) This is a painting displayed at Bodleian Library, Oxford, which says Red fort existed in 1628.

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2) Wikipedia and other sources claim that red fort was built 20years later, in 1648.

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3) further digging revealed, that Prithviraj Chauhan used to live in a palace called Lal-Kot, on the bank of Yamuna.


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4) Britishers played their part in hiding the original plaster.

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So who really built Red fort???
Most probably a cumulative structure. X built a fort. Y added some to it. Z added more and so on. The original design is very Rajput, but the whole Red Fort as known today was most prominently used by the Mughals.
 
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Your virmillion argument is as preposterous as me saying because I pray 5 times, I have similar names to, similar script to the builders of Taj Mahal thus I will claim it.
 
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Do read my post. I said "irrespective" of being Hindu or Muslim they are Indian and of no import to us. That vermillion thing does not mean ditt. Jamaican's dress like English, speak English and have significant Anglo Saxon culture traits however non of that entitles them to claim Stonehenge.

5,000 years is a long time. Things evolve. Modern Italians neither speak the original Latin and are followers of a Semitic religion but that does not divorce them from Ancient Rome. The same applies to modern Eygptians. They speak Arabic, are Muslim mostly, use Arabic characters. That does not divorce them either.

This is a very interesting point, I have to agree with you here.

Not agreeing with you would make the entire world history extremely messy and schizophrenic.

At the risk of sounding idealistic, the better thing would be to attribute everything to our combined heritage as who knows who was what in those ancient times :)

@levina your opinion?
 
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I did not want to make it a Hindu versus Muslim thread...but now that you are at it let me tell you Islam came into being 1500 years back (Prophet Muhammad was born in 570 CE). So it would be impetuous for you to claim 5000 years structures as those belonging to Muslim rulers because Islam did not exist back then.
Now if you meant that as an Indian we have no claim over Harappan sites then let me assure to a normal Pakistani, Harappan culture of putting vermilion on their forehead and wearing shell bangles ( like Bengali Hindu brides) etc are completely alien.
Ignore all Pakistani claims to pre-history/history (with due respect though). All over the world, there is no term for a distinct 'Pakistani' history or pre history. There are terms present in Pakistan, but it is isolated and that's that.

Your argument is as preposterous as me saying because I pray 5 times, I have similar names to, similar script to the builders of Taj Mahal thus I will claim it.
The Taj Mahal is a heritage that all people of the subcontinent can lay claim to. If West Punjab becomes a country tomorrow, it will still be able to lay claim to this joint heritage.

This is a very interesting point, I have to agree with you here.

Not agreeing with you would make the entire world history extremely messy and schizophrenic.
Wrong. The point is childish and not accepted in any part of the World. It's like when the Germans created Deutsche Mathematik, Deutsche Physik etc. In fact agreeing to it makes things messy and schizophrenic. Joint cultures are not delineated by borders drawn half a century back.
 
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Wrong. The point is childish and not accepted in any part of the World. It's like when the Germans created Deutsche Mathematik, Deutsche Physik etc. In fact agreeing to it makes things messy and schizophrenic. Joint cultures are not delineated by borders drawn half a century back.

My full post for your reference

This is a very interesting point, I have to agree with you here.

Not agreeing with you would make the entire world history extremely messy and schizophrenic.

At the risk of sounding idealistic, the better thing would be to attribute everything to our combined heritage as who knows who was what in those ancient times :)
 
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