Which great power treats the best its muslim citizens?

[Desert Fox]

Give me your opinions, friends.

I choose Russia as a clear winner. There is no doubt for me.

Muslims in USA are discriminated for almost two decades, Trump is clearly anti muslim and islamophob.

Chinese Muslims are not just second rate citizens but Chinese attitude toward Muslims are similiar to Nazi policy towards Jews in 30s.

On the other hand, Islam in Russia flourishing. New mosques are opened every month. Muslims Russians are patriotic Russian citizens, they serve in Russian military, they defend Russian interest from South America to the South east Asia. They wouldnt do that if they dont feel that RUSSIA IS THEIR COUNTRY.

Just look at these videos.

If I could choose both I would choose USA and Russia both.

But to be honest Russian Muslims are Slavicized local Muslims. Whereas Muslims in America are from all over the world from Sri Lanka to Morocco, from Indonesia to Nigeria.

How would Russians tolerate if 2 million Nigerian Muslims moved into St. Petersburg? Now that's a real scenario to ponder on.

Because Chechens, Tajiks and Uzbeks aren't exactly "foreign" and world Muslim population isn't confined to former Soviet Bloc Muslim ethnicities either.

 

[fisher1]

In England.

China is a gas chamber for Muslims

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

If I could choose both I would choose USA and Russia both.

But to be honest Russian Muslims are Slavicized local Muslims. Whereas Muslims in America are from all over the world from Sri Lanka to Morocco, from Indonesia to Nigeria.

How would Russians tolerate if 2 million Nigerian Muslims moved into St. Petersburg? Now that's a real scenario to ponder on.

Because Chechens, Tajiks and Uzbeks aren't exactly "foreign" and world Muslim population isn't confined to former Soviet Bloc Muslim ethnicities either.

Yes, that’s another good point. The US has Muslims from all over. Not sure if 100s of thousands of Muslims from a different continent would sit well with the local populations of Russia and China.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes, that’s another good point. The US has Muslims from all over. Not sure if 100s of thousands of Muslims from a different continent would sit well with the local populations of Russia and China.

US doesn't have native Muslims like China and Russia do, we all know what US did to the natives.

 

[Desert Fox]

US doesn't have native Muslims like China and Russia do, we all know what US did to the natives.

All nations have bloody histories. The only reason why you even know of the plight of American natives is ironically because Europeans and Americans themselves who documented it and acknowledged these as wrongs.

Meanwhile Asiatic Mongoloid hordes who have no compunctions in boiling dogs and cats alive wouldn't bother to record the massacres of the people they conquered and brutalized. See Japanese colonization of China, see Mongol conquests, see Chinese and Korean conducts during wars even as late as Korean war or Vietnam or Chinese civil war. The stories will send shivers down your spine knowing how brutally they treated each other.

And if you want to talk about natives then look no further than your treatment of Uyghurs sending them to camps to force them to integrate and behave more like Han culture and people.

@Hamartia Antidote @LeGenD

 

[beijingwalker]

All nations have bloody histories. The only reason why you even know of the plight of American natives is ironically because Europeans and Americans themselves who documented it and acknowledged these as wrongs.

Things in China were also documented that's why we unfornately have to remember so much history facts while Americans don't have to. what's the point for acknowleding their atrocitites when they already killed off almos tall the natives and took their lands? Are they going to give the lands back to the natives?

And if you want to talk about natives then look no further than your treatment of Uyghurs sending them to camps to force them to integrate and behave more like Han culture and people.

What China did for the Uighurs is more than most Muslim countries did for their citizens, go to Xinjiang and go to their homes and see what a life they live and what a life their neighors to the west live.

 

[SQ8]

Russia has seen the greatest integration recently after realizing that suppression got them nothing but rebellion and also because it has the high percentage.

there are still barely 2% muslims in the US however the treatment depends mostly upon the state and local tolerance. More difficult in arlington to be accepted than in Detroit.

China has taken a regressive chance which regardless of their internal issue is going to reduce their goodwill among muslims internally and externally. Eventually, like Russia they will see the error of their ways

 

[Desert Fox]

what's the point for acknowleding their atrocitites when they already killed off almos tall the natives and took their lands? Are they going to give the lands back to the natives?

That's not true because majority of Hispanics are of indigenous origin with some European admixture.

And no one gives back land they conquered. This isn't exactly original to Americans.

What China did for the Uighurs is more than most Muslim countries did for their citizens, go to Xinjiang and go to their homes and see what a life they live and what a life their neighors to the west live

Sure, Americans will say the same for the native people as you say for the Uyghurs.

 

[beijingwalker]

Russia has seen the greatest integration recently after realizing that suppression got them nothing but rebellion and also because it has the high percentage.

there are still barely 2% muslims in the US however the treatment depends mostly upon the state and local tolerance. More difficult in arlington to be accepted than in Detroit.

China has taken a regressive chance which regardless of their internal issue is going to reduce their goodwill among muslims internally and externally. Eventually, like Russia they will see the error of their ways

People in Xinjiang only see better life year on year and enjoy having a wonderful life full of opportunities. they have the best standard of living in the whole region, their families and children are being take care by the government, that's human rights are all about.
Western media potrays China as a monster in Xinjiang, but how come Xinjiang doesn't have any attacks for 3 consecutive years already, that only shows how good the government policy is and how content the local population are, course where there is oppression, there's rebellion. but that's not the case in Xinjiang.
Look at what's around Xinjiang outside China, people die in big nunmber due to frequent bombings, terroriist attacks, diseases, malnutrition and lack of clean water and electricity, only fools will believe people in Xinjiang will give up their affluent, prosperous enjoyable life for that.

Sure, Americans will say the same for the native people as you say for the Uyghurs.

Americans killed them off, so to whom they say that?

 

[Desert Fox]

Americans killed them off, so to whom they say that?

Then they did a really sh!tty job because there's still millions of native origin Hispanics in north and south America.

Maybe they should learn from the Asiatic Ghengis Khan how to slaughter millions in a blink of an eye.

 

[beijingwalker]

Then they did a really sh!tty job because there's still millions of native origin Hispanics in north and south America.

Maybe they should learn from the Asiatic Ghengis Khan how to slaughter millions in a blink of an eye.

Hispanics are not natives, go to google and find what happened to the natives after white people arrived, over 90% of them were killed by gun and by the disease that white people brought to them.

 

[Desert Fox]

Hispanics are not natives, go to google and find what happened to the natives after white people arrived, over 90% of them were killed by gun and by the disease that white people brought to them.

Diseases kill millions everywhere.

Black plague from China killed millions of Europeans. In this time people had no knowledge of bacteria or viruses.

And yes Hispanics are mostly indigenous peoples.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/04/nyregion/more-hispanics-in-us-calling-themselves-indian.html

 

[fitpOsitive]

Islam is the third largest religion in the United States, after Christianity and Judaism.[1] A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims were living in the United States, about 1.1 percent of the total U.S. population.[2] According to the Pew Research Center, up to 25% of Muslims in the United States are converts.

Islam in Russia is the nation's second most widely professed religion. According to a nationwide survey conducted in 2012,[2] Muslims in Russia numbered 9,400,000 or 6.5% of the total population. However, the populations of two federal subjects with Islamic majorities were not surveyed due to social unrest, which together had a population of nearly 2 million, namely Chechnya and Ingushetia,[2] thus the total number of Muslims may be larger.

Islam has been practiced in Chinese society for 1,400 years.[3] Currently, Muslims are a minority group in China, representing between 0.45% to 1.8% of the total population according to the latest estimates.[1][4] Though Hui Muslims are the most numerous group,[5] the greatest concentration of Muslims is in Xinjiang, with a significant Uyghur population. Lesser but significant populations reside in the regions of Ningxia, Gansu and Qinghai.[6] Of China's 55 officially recognized minority peoples, ten groups are predominantly Sunni Muslim.[6]

Germany.

 

[SQ8]

People in Xinjiang only see better life year on year and enjoy having a wonderful life full of opportunities. they have the best standard of living in the whole region, their families and children are being take care by the government, that's human rights are all about.
Western media potrays China as a monster in Xinjiang, but how come Xinjiang doesn't have any attacks for 3 consecutive years already, that only shows how good the government policy is and how content the local population are, course where there is oppression, there's rebellion. but that's not the case in Xinjiang.
Look at what's around Xinjiang outside China, people die in big nunmber due to frequent bombings, terroriist attacks, diseases, malnutrition and lack of clean water and electricity, only fools will believe people in Xinjiang will give up their affluent, prosperous enjoyable life for that.


Americans killed them off, so to whom they say that?

You cannot lock people up, indoctrinate them that their religious beliefs are invalid and that they will be treated persecuted if they follow them; then hand them a house, car and fireworks to go celebrate and be happy.

The problem with the Chinese members here is that are incapable of taking concern on an issue and advice from Pakistanis as genuine goodwill for China and Chinese people( and vice versa it applies for Pakistanis as well).

While western media does exaggerate issues related to China, it did not make a crow out of thin air. Most of us have and are still more than happy to defend China as our friend and ally regardless of most actions undertaken, and will continue to do so in general. But will like any “iron brothers” continue to raise our concerns on such issues until we get some satisfactory reply from your end. Unfortunately, for the most part the Chinese member response here has been reactionary, arrogant and downright bigoted hostility. Something our common foes are thoroughly enjoying.

So far the majority of unbiased evidence shows that your country is prosecuting religious minorities in an attempt to suppress any separatist ideals which is simply not a pathway that has worked for the past 500 years. With social media and more ways to get information to people on the ground, it will only backfire.

 

[royalharris]

India