Which country in South Asia will be first to become developed?

[Mage]

So with all this going on what does North Korea look like? The people must be living in slums, wearing rags or half naked, starving on the streets, pooping and washing on the roads right?

You see what you want to see. You can see this:

Or this:

Both exist in North Korea.

NK is quite industrialized. Till 80's it had a higher per capita than their Southern neighbor. Few nice pictures of Pyongyang doesn't really make it better.

 

[django]

Rivalry can be a good thing. Europe in the period of industrilization saw intense competition between Britain, France, Germany etc including even wars but that only helped them to push up even more and look where they reached in their competition.

Currently trade with China should suffice, we can only enhance relations with India until they stop trying to divert Indus till then their will be at best lukewarm relations.Kudos bro

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You see what you want to see. You can see this:

Or this:

Both exist in North Korea.

NK is quite industrialized. Till 80's it had a higher per capita than their Southern neighbor. Few nice pictures of Pyongyang doesn't really make it better.

Ever heard of propaganda? I know what the media make Pakistan look like. North Korea - well that is axis of evil don't forget. I saw once a Iranian documentary of UK. Wow.

 

[Mage]

Ever heard of propaganda? I know what the media make Pakistan look like. North Korea - well that is axis of evil don't forget. I saw once a Iranian documentary of UK. Wow.

I don't think NK is as bad as media tries to portrait it as. But it's not the amazing country you are making it out to be either. Actually till the early 80's it was quite good. But things only got worse for them. They are technologically quite advanced though, compared to their living standards.

 

[Well.wisher]

I totally concur with @Moonlight on this issue, it is in India's strategic interests to break us up and dominate the newly formed smaller states (heaven forbid), it is in our strategic interests to have inhibited access to Indus river hence Kashmir, the results are we can never be natural allies but vary competitors.Kudos

I understand .
A country thats been an enemy and always been damaging you can be difficult to be trust on . Your concerns are not alien to me .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

But it's not the amazing country

Depends what your definition of amazing is. NK is -

* Population same as large South Asian city.
* Army larger than Pak and Bangla combined but with more firepower
* Living standard - real. Higher than Pak or Bangla
* Plucky enough to face USA, SK, Japan and the have arrogance to say "fcuk" to everybody.
* Has the industrial/technology to send ballistic missiles/nukes.

It may not be my idea of paradise but I would definitely call it *amazing".

 

[VCheng]

South Asians just need to work on their poor mentality , no one keeps grievances for 70 years in their heart against a country .
Jinnah also wanted good relations with india amd neighbouring countries and wanted a good economic relations in this region .

I was in my senses when I typed that .

It is not just a matter of mentality or harboring grievances that keeps South Asia poor. The security matrix that was created by a messy partition and then has been carefully nurtured by several wars and use of proxies ensures that the stalemate imposes enough economic costs to keep everyone in the region impoverished, save a few who control national agendas for their own benefit.

 

[Mage]

* Population same as large South Asian city.

True.

* Army larger than Pak and Bangla combined but with more firepower

True.

* Living standard - real. Higher than Pak or Bangla

Nope. And that's what matters most. Famine and food shortage in NK are real.

* Plucky enough to face USA, SK, Japan and the have arrogance to say "fcuk" to everybody.

True.

* Has the industrial/technology to send ballistic missiles/nukes.

True. They have a strong industrial base. But I wonder for long their base will be able to keep up with others.

 

[EasyNow]

For all it's issues, it will be Pakistan. Somehow you guys managed to build a country with infrastructure more broad and of a higher standard then the rest.

When I see roads and cities of Pak, I must admit the contrast in quality and cleanliness is stark. You also have a land that is very good for building on. Your population compared to your land mass is reasonable. And your geography with CPEC is undeniably useful.

If anything Pakistan has underformed massively with the resources you have. Pakistan will solve it's security issues before the rest of us will solve our more complex problems.

 

[Śakra]

Save this comment and reread it in 33 years. South Asia will NEVER be developed. By 2050, Sub-saharan Africa will have but the Subcontinent will be struggling. The people don't have it in them to better themselves. You have to go back 2,300 years to get an example of the only time someone with South Asian blood running through their veins made a state worth while. That guy was the exception, literally once in 2000 year change. Now that rule has returned back to South Asians don't expect anything good to happen.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Save this comment and reread it in 33 years. South Asia will NEVER be developed. By 2050, Sub-saharan Africa will have but the Subcontinent will be struggling. The people don't have it in them to better themselves. You have to go back 2,300 years to get an example of the only time someone with South Asian blood running through their veins made a state worth while. That guy was the exception, literally once in 2000 year change. Now that rule has returned back to South Asians don't expect anything good to happen.

I live in the West. I was nurtured in the West. I was educated in the West. I know the West. I can fcuk the West everyday. I have total and absolute faith in my people. Pakistan has the talent. Our ancestors built Mehr Garh, our ancestors were doing dentistry when the West was trying to figure out what is the sac that hangs between the legs for, our ancestors built Taxila, Sirkap, Harappa, our ancestors were using zero when the West could not count the fingers. I have no idea where come from but my ancestral village has more civilization within 100 mile of it then some entire European countries. From what I have obserbed of Pakistanis in UK - they are more shrewd then the indigenous population.

Where we have fcuked up in Pakistan is we have mixed religion with politics and created a toxic product that is literally killing us. So I have no doubt about the genious of my people. Only iy is frustrating to know that it will take another two generations before we get past the haze created by religion.

If anything Pakistan has underformed massively with the resources you have. Pakistan will solve it's security issues before the rest of us will solve our more complex problems.

We have better geography. We have the best physical human stock in South Asia - excuse my arrogance here. We have better location. We have better civilizational history as you know Indus was fulcrum in the ancient world. We even have better infrastructure. We have better and cleaner cities etc.

But we do not have clear vision. We are a fractured polity. We are in a religious quicksand. And this is like a huge weight chained around our neck and I can't see how we will get past it for at least 1-2 generations. The recent Faizabad demonstrations expose our problems better than anything else. No number of ballistic nuclear missiles, Block 52 F-16s, 1,000 of tanks, elite armoured divisions, attack helicopters, nuclear submarines is going to overcome our craven display of leadership in face of Islamists chaos. This quote by the honourable judge says it all -

"If you cannot secure the federal capital, how will you secure the country?" he asked, addressing the government"


https://www.dawn.com/news/1373841/a...heir-questionable-role-in-the-faizabad-sit-in

 

[.]

Pakistan needs social and cultural revolution or simply evolution through education, this can educate people and encourage rationalized thinking on the individual level.
Otherwise you can build the Greatest cities and no use if the people are retarded bunch of Self destructive maniacs.

There is a reason why south Asian politics is best known for its confrontational and diverse political nature, No leader in South Asia can argue the case for another country or a bunch of other countries and hope to win the popular vote.

 

[EasyNow]

We have better geography. We have the best physical human stock in South Asia - excuse my arrogance here. We have better location. We have better civilizational history as you know Indus was fulcrum in the ancient world. We even have better infrastructure. We have better and cleaner cities etc.

You're probably right. The average Pakistani is stronger, taller, faster than the average indian or Bangladeshi. But those very martial features are what has made Pak society so hard to organise.

But I do feel this is an easier conundrum than the one that faces my relatively peaceful, smart, open minded and homogenous society.

 

[Moonlight]

I belive economic stability is more important than the wars .
Trade with india can touch billion of dollars if we open trade with it. Our difference in GDP growth isn't that big , we only need right policies to take it up than India . Hate with each other has served no benefit. I believe more than Pakistan , indians need to work on their mentality as hate and ignorance is more rampant there , a third world poverty filled country with a stubbornness with Pakistan . I can only see them boasting but no work.. ..

You know what is primary mechanism to develop a strong economy? Peace in country. That is exactly why are spending on war on terrorism. We need to fight with the enemies of the soil before anything.
You can NEVER develop good relations with a country without the will of the other country.
Pakistan is a peaceful country. And it surly wants good relations with neighbors. But if one doesn’t want peace, then we have to find the different and harsh ways to deal with the enemies.
Modhi called to isolate Pakistan from the rest of the world. That’s a different story how his statement slapped him back. When on various events where Russia, Uk, Turkey, China and other countries took step forward to strong its relationship with Pakistan.

what is india anyway ? And pakistan ?

Wait what do you even mean here? You sound like “Pakistan” is irrelevant anyways.
If that what you mean do reply me back. So I explain you what Pakistan is.

@django

 

[django]

You know what is primary mechanism to develop a strong economy? Peace in country. That is exactly why are spending on war on terrorism. We need to fight with the enemies of the soil before anything.
You can NEVER develop good relations with a country without the will of the other country.
Pakistan is a peaceful country. And it surly wants good relations with neighbors. But if one doesn’t want peace, then we have to find the different and harsh ways to deal with the enemies.
Modhi called to isolate Pakistan from the rest of the world. That’s a different story how his statement slapped him back. When on various events where Russia, Uk, Turkey, China and other countries took step forward to strong its relationship with Pakistan.

Excellent assessment, liberals may think you are hawkish yet they ignore the neighbourhood we live in.Kudos