Where is Islam in Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

[VCheng]

its common sense only a muslim can make an islamic state better, where as a non muslim will tend to deviate away from it....

its also the majority mentality like in america where a muslim president is a simply non possible..

the system of governance which followed after prophet, i-e righteous caliph system never had non muslims, even though the non muslims were in large number, it is because the newly islamic state needed the islamic leaders to make this state possible..

So how many of the Righteous Caliphs were murdered rather than succeeded peacefully?

This wrong tradition of wars of succession went on for generations of muslim rulers, including the Mughals who were weakened immeasurably with this infighting and this fact was used by the British to their great advantage.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

So how many of the Righteous Caliphs were murdered rather than succeeded peacefully?

This wrong tradition of wars of succession went on for generations of muslim rulers, including the Mughals who were weakened immeasurably with this infighting and this fact was used by the British to their great advantage.

yes all that happened because Muslims further themselves from Islam (excluding the spiritual aspect because only Allah knows best about his mankind).

umed nau is also right. The Caliphs have a big big big responsibility as leaders in accordance to Islam.

Prophet Mohammed says... “If anybody sees in his Ameer (Leader) something which displeases him, he should remain patient, for he who separates himself from the authority of Islam (Sultan) by even so much as a hand span and
dies thereupon, he would die the death of the days of ignorance.”

 

[Majnun]

its common sense only a muslim can make an islamic state better, where as a non muslim will tend to deviate away from it....

No, its not common sense that only a Muslim can make an Islamic state better, while a non-Muslim will deviate, common knowledge is that a Muslim will be more inclined to make an Islamic state more Islamic than a non-Muslim.

its also the majority mentality like in america where a muslim president is a simply non possible..

So are we taking orders from America? Are they our masters or teachers that we should necessarily do the same as them?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

So are we taking orders from America? Are they our masters or teachers that we should necessarily do the same as them?

Ask Mush .

 

[Sinnerman108]

Islamic Democracy An Example :

YouTube - genral zia ul haq Address to Majlis-e-Shoora

Try and comment keeping aside the prejudices which have been hammered since the last 2 decades.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

So how many of the Righteous Caliphs were murdered rather than succeeded peacefully?

This wrong tradition of wars of succession went on for generations of muslim rulers, including the Mughals who were weakened immeasurably with this infighting and this fact was used by the British to their great advantage.

assalam alaikum

The first four Caliphs didnot fight each other for the rule and their murders was not bcoz of the succession. After that it was a total different story.

Where in the Quran does it say that a non-Muslim cannot be elected to run the State?

And what gives you the right to speculate on what the Prophet may or may not have done?

someone asked this question on the last page and i countered it since we know the Prophet (PBUH) we can answere this question from his acts. When he was in madinah and want to go for jihad he would oppoint a Muslim ameer in amdinah and when he used to send small armies to different places all the commanders will be muslims if anyone can give a non muslim name i will appreciate. if not then it is understood that certain jobs can't be given to non muslims.

TARIQ

 

[VCheng]

assalam alaikum

The first four Caliphs didnot fight each other for the rule and their murders was not bcoz of the succession. After that it was a total different story.

TARIQ

The murders happened because of lack of acceptance of legitimacy, and of perceived grievances that were not being addressed adequately, in part because the successions were regarded as arbitrary by some. Hence my point.

 

[Sinnerman108]

assalam alaikum

The first four Caliphs didnot fight each other for the rule and their murders was not bcoz of the succession. After that it was a total different story.

Where in the Quran does it say that a non-Muslim cannot be elected to run the State?

And what gives you the right to speculate on what the Prophet may or may not have done?

someone asked this question on the last page and i countered it since we know the Prophet (PBUH) we can answere this question from his acts. When he was in madinah and want to go for jihad he would oppoint a Muslim ameer in amdinah and when he used to send small armies to different places all the commanders will be muslims if anyone can give a non muslim name i will appreciate. if not then it is understood that certain jobs can't be given to non muslims.

TARIQ

Tariq,
This whole issue about Ahmadi / qadyan sect and this whobla of this and that ...
they want to be president,they want to be called muslims and etc etc etc

Here see this , Ahmedi Mosque in ISRAEL !!!
visited by none other than Shimon himself !
YouTube - Shimon Peres visits Ahmadiyya Mosque in Kababir Israel

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

assalam alaikum

Brother nobody questioned the legitmacy of Omer R-A and he was murdered. he ruled for ten years. Otheman R-A ruled 12 years 6 good years and fitnah started after it. Ali R-A ruled 5 years plus nobody questionled his legitimacy to rule. But yes during his time muslims fought each other bcoz of the murder of Othman R-A.

TARIQ

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

assalam alaikum

gg salman bhai i know, it is their wish it. Time for them to wake up

TARIQ

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Pakistan was born as a confused state.
Jinnah does not deserve "the great leader" tittle.

 

[Mutee]

To OP to specifically answer this q in a very short is that no where ppl say taliban are bad Taliban are bad indeed they are not the soldiers of Islam as they claim but right now these liberal fascist are trying to take over this country by blaming religion for everything wrong in Pakistan just switch on the tv you wud see mullahs bashing going on everywhere intact one can become a celebrity by badmouthing religion this should not be allowed at all and all the problems that we face today can be solved by following true Islam with unity i know it's easier said than done but steps should be taken remember we owe this to Pakistan it's our country

 

[mikkix]

pakistan wasn't made for Islam..
Stop saying Islamic republic, there is no such republic exist in the world.
Islam was used to divide india, as iraq and afghanistan is now facing the same issue.
Pakistan was runned and trained by british beareucracy after getting independence.

 

[Majnun]

Tariq,
This whole issue about Ahmadi / qadyan sect and this whobla of this and that ...
they want to be president,they want to be called muslims and etc etc etc

Here see this , Ahmedi Mosque in ISRAEL !!!
visited by none other than Shimon himself !
YouTube - Shimon Peres visits Ahmadiyya Mosque in Kababir Israel

You can find videos of Sunni mosques in Israel being visited by Israeli leaders, does that mean Ahmadis are non-Muslims?

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

My only qualm with the Qadianis is this ridiculous dance that they engage in by asserting that they are Muslims... They know fully well that this causes trouble in the community yet they keep doing this everywhere... including in other countries...