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do you know why taleban came to power?? how did they gain strength??

Islamism is proportional to Anti Islamism. The more anti Islamists (secular, communism etc) become active, the more Islam becomes stronger in the heart of the followers....

Afghanistan and Iran most probably the top two islamic countries that control lifestyle of women..

but they were like this...

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now take a hint and answer why they become conservative?? because the secularization in those countries were forced by powerful minority on majority muslim values....

the only reason behind the rise of Hefajat is Shahbag alone..... hefajat cant be controlled or suppressed... .we are heading towards a strict Islamism and people like madx are the reason, neither jamat, nor mahmudur rahman.......

Secularism is not the opposite of Islam or for that matter any religion. One can be secular while being strictly religious. Only bigots need an Islamic state in this modern age.
 
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Secularism is not the opposite of Islam or for that matter any religion. One can be secular while being strictly religious. Only bigots need an Islamic state in this modern age.

Secularism in Indian style means anything that negates Islam.

Thats what your above comment says.

Secularism is not against Islam hence an Islamic state does not mean bigotry.


on the other hand despite tall claims of secularism India is all a Hindu state that works according to hindu beliefs.

dont thurst your way style of sickularism upon us Muslims

Why do I need to born before Quran to have some of the content of it to be agreeable with me. I didn't read Quran so it must be universal knowledge and not exclusive to some group or individual.

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common sense. something said before you were born and you are repeating it, means you are agreeing to the former NOT the former agreeing to you.
 
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Secularism is not the opposite of Islam or for that matter any religion. One can be secular while being strictly religious. Only bigots need an Islamic state in this modern age.

Technically a muslim can not be secular. Accepting laws contradicting and going against the Quran and Sunnah equals to going against the creator. A muslim can't even comprehend doing that. How can a muslim law maker even comprehend doing that if he wants to be strictly religious? . Islam is a complete way of life guaranteeing rights of every citizen including minorities. Please don't reply to this post if U can't accept such straight forward reasoning as to why a muslim can't be secular. :)
 
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Secularism in Indian style means anything that negates Islam.

Thats what your above comment says.

Secularism is not against Islam hence an Islamic state does not mean bigotry.


on the other hand despite tall claims of secularism India is all a Hindu state that works according to hindu beliefs.

dont thurst your way style of sickularism upon us Muslims

In all these tall claims and blabbering by Indians , these hypocrities won't even find a communal riot like 2001 Guzrat anywhere in the muslim world in any point of time. Islam always was a model for upholding minority rights and sicKularism won't even come close to it in zillion years. Why should muslims opt for something inferior (sicKularism) when we have been gifted the best model of governance.
 
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Technically a muslim can not be secular. Accepting laws contradicting and going against the Quran and Sunnah equals to going against the creator. A muslim can't even comprehend doing that. How can a muslim law maker even comprehend doing that if he wants to be strictly religious? . Islam is a complete way of life guaranteeing rights of every citizen including minorities. Please don't reply to this post if U can't accept such straight forward reasoning as to why a muslim can't be secular. :)
Ok. Now I know you are on Maududi stuff.

I am satisfied with your reasoning. Thank you.

But be aware, all religions had thekedars that claimed their religion is not just a religion but a complete way of life blah blah blah... There is nothing special in Islam here.
 
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Secularism is not the opposite of Islam or for that matter any religion. One can be secular while being strictly religious. Only bigots need an Islamic state in this modern age.

no thanks, lot of islamic scholars are available to research on it, i dont need jackasss to teach me about my religion............


By Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani
Translated by Zameelur Rahman

It has become well-known of Christians that they distinguish between religion and politics by their well-known dictum “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s”. It is thus as though religion has no relationship with politics and politics has no connection with religion. This concept has slowly advanced to its ugliest form in recent times in the name of “secularism” (al-’almaniyah) or “secularisation” which expelled religion from all matters of life until it did away with it completely.

Truly this concept in reality is one category from the categories of polytheism whereby religion’s authority in the material world is not recognised and the authority of religion is restricted only to rituals and worship which one practices in his private [life] or in his place of worship. It is thus as if God is not god except in [matters of] worship and ritual, and as far as worldly matters are concerned, they have another god. And refuge is [sought] from Allah.

For this [reason] Muslims firmly rooted [in their religion] will continue to reject this deviant concept in every age and place because there is no scope for it in Islam which safeguards the creed of monotheism in its most accurate expression and its most perfect form, and which assigned divine rules in all affairs of life along with all that they contain of politics and economics. Therefore, it is incumbent on the people of knowledge to reject this concept and refute it knowledgeably and satisfactorily. And indeed they have undertaken this task, and all praise is due to Allah.

However some Muslims in our time[1] who undertook [the task] of refuting secularism have gone too far in this until they fell into a subtle mistake, that changed the focus and caused many errors in this field; that is, they made politics and the establishment of an Islamic government the primary objective and highest aim of all the rules of religion, and it is as though the rules of worship etc. are not aimed at [anything] besides one goal which is the establishment of an Islamic government, and it is as though worship and religiosity (diyanah) are all means in the attainment of this primary objective; to [the extent] that they diminished the importance of worship and made it an exercise and training for the fundamental target, which is the establishment of a theocratic government (al-hukumat al-ilahiyyah).

Due to this cogitation, two dangerous causes of corruption emerged:

First: since worship became a means in the establishment of a theocratic government, it is not regarded as an objective in itself, and by its [performance] is intended a gradual progression to the fundamental target. Thus, if the conditions demanded that these means be sacrificed by choosing other means to [attain] that important objective then indeed from the results of this cogitation is that there is nothing preventing sacrificing them because they are not the objective.

Second: one does not have a relationship with means besides a basic ordinary relationship [which falls] within the domain of necessity, and naturally he will regard it as a transitory passing stage, and will not regard it as his life target and the goal of his efforts, and will not progress in it and excel therein with the sensations of [spiritual] experience, delight and tranquillity within him.

In the words of the esteemed scholar and great preacher Mawlana Shaykh Sayyid Abu ‘l-Hasan ‘Ali al-Nadwi (Allah Most High protect him) in his refutation of some of the writings of the deceased teacher, Sayyid Abu ‘l-A’la Mawdudi, “Indeed those who obtain their religious information from the source of this interpretation of Islam alone, and limit their study of Islam to these books alone, their relationship with Allah will be rendered restricted and limited, and [will congeal] into dry, rigid formalism (jamidatun rasmiyyah), empty of internal states which the believer is required to adjust [himself] to. This is particularly when the emphasis that the root goal of sending Prophets and the end target of their teachings and the utmost of their actions is the production of change in this limited worldly life, and bringing about change for the better, and establishing human civilisation on proper foundations, appears [many] times repeatedly [in these books]; and when the focus on this aspect appears with ferocity and irascibility, enthusiasm and passion, and in a manner that makes conceptions of divine love, lordly pleasure and otherworldly success, meagre; it is natural and something that concurs with reason and is consistent with [logical] analogy that he departs the vehicle of effort and work from the road of faith in the unseen, yearning for the Afterlife, seeking Allah’s pleasure and devotion to His love, that road which the Prophets instituted, to the path of seeking rule, glory, dominance, and achieving rule and subsequently the materialist galaxy.” (Al-Tafsir al-Siyasi li ‘l-Islam, p. 107, published by Nadwat al-’Ulama Lucknow, 1399 AH/1979 AD)

In sum, these authors in their eagerness to refute secularism, and their focus on the political aspect of the Shari’ah, made all of Islam a political ideology, instead of making politics religious. The truth is that politics is a branch of the branches of religion, just as business and economics is a branch thereof, and indeed the rules of religion pertain to politics, just as they pertain to business. However nothing of politics and business is the root goal of the message of Islam, nor a fundamental objective of its rules and teachings. Thus, just as the connection of the rules of the Shari’ah to business do not entail that business becomes the objective of religion, similarly the rules of the Shari’ah pertaining to politics do not imply that politics be made the fundamental objective of Islam.

Hakim al-Ummah Shaykh Ashraf ‘Ali al-Thanawi (Allah Most High have mercy on him) drew attention to this point in a brief [but] firm statement, all of which is insightful, so we will quote it here, translating it from Urdu to Arabic. He says (Allah Most High have mercy on him):

“Allah Most High said: ‘those who, if We establish them in the land, establish regular prayer and give regular charity, enjoin the right and forbid wrong: with Allah rests the end and decision of all affairs.’ (Qur’an 22:41). It is clear from this verse that the essential objective is religiosity (diyanah) and nothing of politics and jihad is the fundamental objective — it is only a means to establish religiosity. And for this reason, spirituality and the rules [regulating] religiostiy were given to every one of the Prophets (upon them be peace) without exception, while politics and jihad were not given to all of them. Jihad and politics were given to some of them when the need and interest [of their communities] demanded [them], and indeed that is the condition of means, since they are not given except for a necessity.

“It is possible that a doubt will arise here in the minds of some, which is that another verse of the Noble Qur’an indicates the opposite of this, that religiosity is a means, and establishment (tamkin) in the earth and politics are the objectives, and this is His statement (Most High): “Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance [of power], as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion — the one which He has chosen for them” (24:55). Since this verse makes belief and good deeds preconditions to the establishment [of Islam] on earth from what is apparent thereof of establishment and politics being the objective.

“The response is that Allah Most High promised in this verse establishment and power, and conditioned them on faith and good deeds, whereby establishment is qualified upon them, so politics and power are promised [to the believers conditional upon] faith and good deeds. It does not follow [however] from it being promised that it becomes the objective, for otherwise Allah Most High said in another place: “If they had observed the Torah and the Evangel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet” (Qur’an 5:66). So He promised expansion in provision [conditional] upon the observance of the Torah, Evangel and the Qur’an. Can then one say that expansion in provision is the objective of religion? No, rather it is promised. Thus, it is established that a promise does not entail that it becomes the objective. Similarly in the verse of establishment [i.e. 24:55], establishment is promised [conditional] upon faith and good deeds, so they are a consequence of them by the decision of it being qualified upon them, but that is not the objective of religion, nor a target of it.

“Thereby it becomes clear that politics is a means from the means and the objective is spirituality. The implication of this is not that politics is not sought after altogether. I only intend thereby to specify the place of politics in religion in that it is not the objective, as opposed to spirituality, for indeed this is the essential objective.” (Ashraf al-Sawanih 4:28-9, published in Multan)

Takmilah Fath al-Mulhim, vol. 3, pp. 224-7
 
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he could be balanced on other things but seems like all NON Muslims he too has a flawed definition of Secularism which means anyone who wants to keep beared and pray five times a day is NOT secular.

Secularism says equal rights to all to practic their faith but look around all over this word is used to ban Mosques, Azans, Muslim atire.

this is only a stick to impose their own version of faith on us. just like al-qaeda is trying to impose their version.

all in all for Muslims Islam is Moderate path.

anything that is leaning to left or right is extreme and Islam does NOT support extreme
 
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above post covers both secularism and extremism ......
 
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Secularism in Indian style means anything that negates Islam.

Thats what your above comment says.

Secularism is not against Islam hence an Islamic state does not mean bigotry.

on the other hand despite tall claims of secularism India is all a Hindu state that works according to hindu beliefs.

That is what you are conditioned to believe.

For us it means equal laws for all citizens, irrespective of faith or birth.

Islam actually doesn't figure in this at all. You people try to judge everything wrt Islam or Muslims. The rest of the world may not care for these things at all.

dont thurst your way style of sickularism upon us Muslims

Who is doing that? You are enjoying your Shariah and we have no issues. Taliban will make sure you do that anyways. At least in the Afghan areas if not everywhere else in your country.

If that happens, we will miss you on this forum, being namehram.

We just don't want to be subjected to it or pay Jaziyah.

Hope you don't mind that.
 
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Who cares ?

As long as their body does not lie in India, could not care less where their soul lies.
 
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Ok. Now I know you are on Maududi stuff.

I am satisfied with your reasoning. Thank you.

But be aware, all religions had thekedars that claimed their religion is not just a religion but a complete way of life blah blah blah... There is nothing special in Islam here.

Do you even understand what Maududi did?
 
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In all these tall claims and blabbering by Indians , these hypocrities won't even find a communal riot like 2001 Guzrat anywhere in the muslim world in any point of time. Islam always was a model for upholding minority rights and sicKularism won't even come close to it in zillion years. Why should muslims opt for something inferior (sicKularism) when we have been gifted the best model of governance.

You are very much mistaken.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions have been killed and are being for their sects in several Muslim countries as we speak.

Most Muslim majority countries have zero or minuscule minorities left. This is across the board. Think of the reasons for this.


The results of your "best model of governance" are there for everyone to see. Only the blind can't see the obvious facts.

Many of you, almost everyone who can, is running to "secular and democratic" "dar ul harb" countries to escape from this system.

Show me one country at present where this "best model of governance" is being practiced and is successful. Just one.
 
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