When Palestine slapped Pakistan in the face ..

[egodoc222]

How will we dignify ourselves when we don't respect our heritage and our own selves? When we treat ourselves and our own history like rubbish. We must build self respect based on historical roots as well as for the sole mission of a glorious future.

The reason why we are so pathetic is bcz we are rudderless, goalless and identity less. We need all these three.

Today a country which barely has any form, is slapping us, on the other hand we also have another country which has no control on half of its land shouting at us.


Kaptaan if we can't answer back to Palestine, then we truly are a nothing nation.

So what to you propose? War with Palestine?

 

[RescueRanger]

You guys need to relax!!
In grand scheme of things present day Pakistan is 'irrelevant'...it's time you guys realize that...it'll save you from heartburn...!!
But this may change if for once...your army stops meddling in your neighbours affairs...and you civilian government stops this Kashmir rants and for a change concentrates on economy try pulling a chunk of people from poverty!!

We are relaxed, it still doesn't stop you chaps coming over and stirring the pot though!

 

[egodoc222]

We are relaxed, it still doesn't stop you chaps coming over and stirring the pot though!

Come on...you accuse of anything...but stirring the pot?
What would we get from it?
All we want is you guys off our back...so can concentrate on our growth better!!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You guys need to relax!!
In grand scheme of things present day Pakistan is 'irrelevant'...it's time you guys realize that...it'll save you from heartburn...!!
But this may change if for once...your army stops meddling in your neighbours affairs...and you civilian government stops this Kashmir rants and for a change concentrates on economy try pulling a chunk of people from poverty!!

I have no idea why you are bringing army, Kashmir or poverty [which you are drowning in] into the discussion. The only lesson that this episode has brought home is the meaning of "self interest". To put it simply all countries pursue self interest or what they percieve to be thier "self interest". So what if any is the "take away" for Pakistan? Simple. Pakistan and it's people need to place Pakistan first and pursue with determination and sole focus what is Pakistan's interests and under no circumstances get mirred in ummah chumma politics. Just follow a simple business like foreign policy sans any emotion or other considerations. Have a simple ledger account. If the benefits are greater than losses then follow that policy. No ummah chummah consideration whatsoever. If the lesson of "self interest" is learn't by Pakistan this slap from Palestinian's might have even been a good thing. It woke up Pakistan to the hard reality.

This is exactly like what rest of the world does - including this little disposessed crap called Palestine.

"Countries don't have friends ~ Countries have self interests".

 

[RescueRanger]

All we want is you guys off our back.

This was a Pakistani thread, you want us off your back, lol then why come here. Seems you guys are obsessed with us! Read the posts from your fellow countrymen, are they not what you would call provocative?

 

[313ghazi]

I would like to address a few issues.

The response on this forum
Frankly it's been embarrassing. Some people act like jilted lovers...lol It's shameful. You are surrounded by your enemies, conduct yourself with grace and dignity, not like buffoons. The only type of respect that matters is self respect. The rest can be achieved through economic or military might, but self respect cannot be attained through anything worldly or spiritual, it is from within one self.


The response of our government
Pathetic as expected. This is what the foreign office said - http://www.mofa.gov.pk/pr-details.php?mm=NTc2NQ,,
What we should have done is recalled our ambassador in protest, rejected anyone else they sent and demanded an apology. This is the PLO and organisation who's very roots are in terrorism, who's currently in a unity government with another UN designated terrorist organisation, who have fought a civil war for power in the occupied lands - they have zero credibility to represent the Palestinian people - they're just thugs playing at victim and should be called out for who they are.

Ummah
The concept of Ummah is enshrined in the holy Quran, in the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and is documented in hadith. There are millions of documents written about it's virtues, it's structures etc. It's foundation is in following the deen and love; love for Allah, his messenger, the family of his messenger and just as importantly love for each other. People belittle it as a political construct but it is not - it is a part of your faith. Rejection of such a concept is a rejection of Quran and hadith.


Pakistan and Palestine
Pakistan should support the Palestinian nation and it's people on the below grounds;
1. It is our Islamic duty to support Muslims under oppression.
2. It is only humane to support other humans under oppression.
3. Al Aqsa. This is the first Qibla of the Muslims, it is promised to us by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we can never give it up.

The political entity of Palestine is irrelevant. If you really think about it, these guys bought it upon themselves. Arabs sold land to Jews happily taking their money. It's only when they decided to make a nation that they had a problem. Our support is based on humanity and Islamic values.

The steps forwards
I have read much negativity and reactionary remarks, that must stop now. We are not a weak nation, or a cowardly people, our ideology and our history (from the ancient period onwards) is one of greatness. All greatness starts as a dream, kept deep within hearts and minds, sometimes not even uttered until it is achieved.

I suggest everyone read about 3 things;

1. Islam - it's ideology, history and importantly it's most significant personality; the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
2. Pakistan - the ancient history of our nation, the Islamic period, the Pakistan movement and our modern history. Most important is reading and understanding the works of Alama Iqbal.
3. Read about success and successful people and nations. Read about empires and personalities, Muslim AND non Muslim, read the works of Macheaveli, Sun Tzu, Karl Marx, understand how others work and spot the patterns to their success.

I have a personal anecdote. I know dozens of Pakistani people in the UK within the city in live in who are today millionaires. They grew up in poverty and threw hardwork, ambition and grasping opportunity have become millionaires. One of these people is a very close friend. He has achieved this status in less than a decade after graduating university. He grew up with us, he is not extra intelligent or extra hardworking, he does not come from wealth, he did not sell drugs or win the lottery. The difference between him and the rest of us - he is ambitious and he dreams big. He has the courage to take risks and he has earned the reward from that. It is the same for all these examples of success. Everyone works hard, not everyone has big ambition. I bet you guys reading this might well be in this position yourself or know of others who are.

Our nation was born from nothing and is destined for greatness. Destiny needs to be grasped, that required the development of identity, society, economy and military. Our destiny is such that none of this will ever be blessed unless it is enshrined in the practices of Islam and through halal means.

As a nation we need to be ambitious. We need to think big. The ideology of Pakistan is not that of a sliver of land wedged into Asia - it is bigger than that. Imagine if all of us woke up every morning with the ambition to be millionaires. Maybe less than 1% would achieve that ambition, but imagine the wealth and productivity that would be generated through everyone else trying?

People internally and externally mock us for having ideals and having ambition. All greatness came from ideals, ambitions and hard work. We do not lack for hard work, we need to stay true to ideals, we need to be brave enough to have ambition and we need to coordinate these things. Take this approach and the same people who look down at us today, will sit at the feet of your grand children and great grand children.

Politically we should not reject our ideals because of betrayal by the PLO. We should however put them in their place, because being a doormat never helped anyone. Turning the other cheek means you get smacked twice. Iran turned on Hamas when they didn't support Assad, today the same Hamas is sitting at the feet of Iran. Learn a lesson from that. We should build our own economy, our own military and project influence wherever we can. Erdogan has a decent model for this. We need to make like minded allies and eventually we will lead, not be led.

People talk of black flags of Khosran - idk about that - but the world will see the Green and white inshaAllah.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yet the world remembers Gandhi and hardly knows about Jinnah

Gandhi is associated with bringing freedom to 1/5 of the globe. That is a huge mass of humanity and numbers alone leave a mark on history.

 

[navtrek]

I admire you attempt to awaken us from the rubbish of the greater ummah but we will not awaken. We are toilet paper of the ummah world to be used and thrown away. Every country calls us and then throws us away at our time of need. Pakistanis do not have self respect which in turn Pakistan does not have self respect.

I have seen Palestinians abuse us like crazy on social media and often equate us with Israel. Perhaps we should be like Israel and gain brownie points by saying that forget Jerusalem, all of Palestine belongs to Jerusalem. Maybe just by doing that we may get a loyal friend...


I would give excuses that India is a major power that can't be ignored but Palestinians really hate us. Its like afghans except in afghan's case I have seen a few that like us.


But it won't happen @Kaptaan . We will always be that puppy that comes crawling when they call only to kick us away and one day we will die bleeding for them and they will spit on us.

For God's sake for these nothing countries we made Israel our enemy when turkey befriended them. We simply gifted them this animosity and what did we get in return. Egypt hates us, Syria betrayed us by revealing nuclear technology, Palestine hates us and Iraq supported baluch separatism.

Difference between turkey and pakistan. Turkey will always look out for its own interest. We will do no such thing and we will always suffer for that.

May we change.

Why do they equate Pakistan to Israel ?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So even by your own admission, more than 95% of indians have no racial connection to Pakistan whatsoever.

You need to ask this guy what exactly the hell is "Indic"? These Indian's have a habit currying up terms and then giving them their own meaning to it. Can they first explain what "Indic" means? I mean we could curry up "Pakistanic" and use that as catch all term for anybody from the indus region.

For instance does "Indic" cover Dravidians, Austro-Aborginals, Tibeto-Burmans in India? Much as we have in Pakistan divisions so does India - even if not more. At least all our ethnic groups live within a small Indus Valley region have interacted with each other as neigbours for millenia within this geography. On other hand what does a Dravid, a Tibeto-Burman Ladakhi, a Sikh Punjabi, a Aboriginal Munda from Odisha have in common???

Self serving terms like "Indic, Bharatvarsha etc etc" have been contrived to furnish a artificial or mythical unity when non existed. Time perhaps for Pakistani's also to invent fancy sounding terms and then harness them for our political agenda.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

They are now different to indian Punjabis who at most make up no more than 5% of india's population. So even by your own admission, more than 95% of indians have no racial connection to Pakistan whatsoever.

Yes, I agree. Nobody can deny that Indian Punjabi Sikhs are pretty well the same as Pak Punjabi's but as you state Indian Ounjabi's only, yes only make 5% of India.

Yet in a desperate attempt to leach onto Pakistan rest of the 95% glories of the Ganga and Dravidia use that 5%. That 5% common group is leveraged by rest of Ganga/Dravid swamp to associate with Pakistan.

Even this Jinnah link with Hindu is a joke. Even if that is true so what? Obama's dad was Muslim Kenyan groid. How does that make America "African" or even with 10% of it's African American population make USA a African country???

No country is pristine. all countries have some influences from their neighbours but each has it;s own unique "mix" or "recipe". We know what Pakistan's "mix" is. Compare that to India and you will see the differances. For instance India has nearly 100 million Bengalis, 10s of millions of Odishans, Tamils in 10s of millions, Telagus, etc etc etc.

Then look at our recipe.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

A simplified "mix" for both countries is:-

The term Pakistan is another term for this recipe

Punjabi
Pakhtun
Baloch
Sindhi

The term India is another term for this recipe

Tanils
Telagu
Malaylam
Odishans
Marattas
Assamese
Bengalis
Bihari
UPians
Punjabis
etc
etc
etc
etc
etc


Do these recipes look the same? USA has Indians, Africans, Chinese etc etc but any country is defined by the dominant groups. The fact is the Indian recipe gives India it's own flavour best described as Gangadeshi/Dravidic. Pakistan is best described as Indus Valley. Finding a few Obama, a few Adrican Americans as proof that USA is a "Africanic" country is just desperate delusion by Indians to associate with one of the four wonders of the ancient world - Indus Valley Civilization.

No one cares. We don't based the destiny of our race and nation on what foreigners think or feel about us........lol........

Mate do me a favour slightly watch what you say - I am tired of seeing you get banned all the time.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Our relations with them and the Arabs aside, I don't like saying this but unless the Palestinians start to get their act together and fight back they will cease to exist as a people within 50 years. Their situation is grave. They need to do something quick. Just as the world stood by and did nothing when 1 million Pakistanis were genocided by the sikhs in 1947 so they will do the same when the israelis will ultimately slaughter them.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@PAKISTANFOREVER Keep this in mind. This is us. One of epic four. Today USA can bra, Scandanavia can show fancy stats etc etc but we gave the world civilization and the zero. Nothing is going to change this fact. The Gangadeshis simply are cursed with thay biblical sin "though shall not covet your neighbour". These Ganga junglees want what is under our feet, our heritage, our ancestors. This is why contrive terms like "Indic" are etc etc are used.

This is "us". The cradle. 95% of Pakistani members hail from this map.

This is Gangadeshi's and Dravids. Far, far away from the "cradle. 95% of Indians on this board hail from these regions ~ Ganga/Dravidia

@PAKISTANFOREVER Do me a favour. Instead of getting banned, tone down and help me to spread these facts on the ground and educate our people. So that they can take pride and take position in front of the world heritage nations.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Sir, there is a reason for their behaviour towards us....
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That operation was launched on the orders of the Jordanian King. Zia was the way down the chain of command.

It Aint About Palestinian Government Man It's About Qiblah e Awal.Mehmood Abbas And Al Fatah Can Go To Hell For All I Care But Sanctity of Qiblah e Awal Must Not Be Harmed

Absolutely.

Al Aqsa should be the priority and only priority of Pakistan. Its a Muslim world issue, not Palestinian.

 

[alphaxyz]

The only 2 nations in the world who matter to Pakistan are China and Turkey. Our destiny as Pakistan is intertwinned with that of China and Turkey

tells a lot doesnt it?