When Ayub Khan Accused Fatima Jinnah Of Being An Indian And American Agent

[SQ8]

Where's the darn proof? And if the answer again is with the forces, don't bother replying.

The Dark side, and the light.

 

[Armstrong]

If the mother of the nation is herself a traitor then no one loyal to the state of Pakistan has ever been born. Ironic though.

Its alright....Chooteiii Miyaaan; take a political slogan as a political slogan !

Don't go on extrapolating endless meanings from it !

The Dark side, and the light.

I am a firm believer in the Potentium Theory of the Force !

 

[SQ8]

If the mother of the nation is herself a traitor then no one loyal to the state of Pakistan has ever been born. Ironic though.

Not really.. in the words of Samuel Johnson..
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

If Ayub and many on PDF are an indication of Johnson's jibe at false patriots, we clearly have a national issue of "Patriotism".

Its alright....Chooteiii Miyaaan; take a political slogan as a political slogan !

Don't go on extrapolating endless meanings from it !



I am a firm believer in the Potentium Theory of the Force !

There is a problem when political slogans become belief. And that transcends any one ethnity in Pakistan, we have all dipped our hands(some have licked) in the proverbial sewer of racial hatred due to a politicians urging.

 

[Secur]

Don't go on extrapolating endless meanings from it !

There is no extrapolation, Ayub appealed to the masses with the allegation that his opponent is a RAW agent. Today is no different. Where do you see the extrapolation and seeing more than there is?

 

[FaujHistorian]

Is there the same level of evidence against AH and MQM as there was against Mukti Bahini? If there is, I don't have a problem with him getting hanged.

If you are looking for Bharati generals writing books and confessing?

Please wait until 2045.

If you want to see similarities between Mukti Bahini and MQM militants.
Plenty of proof.
Heck I never liked Rao Anwar's media trial.

But there are direct confessions of Langra, Lamba etc.

you will understand this if you are like me, ready to see MQM militant wing and its horrible role in our beautiful city and urdu speaking community.

Thank you

 

[Secur]

The Dark side, and the light.

How does one turn like that seriously?

 

[Armstrong]

There is a problem when political slogans become belief. And that transcends any one ethnity in Pakistan, we have all dipped our hands(some have licked) in the proverbial sewer of racial hatred due to a politicians urging.

They never became beliefs; all of Pakistan's woes including sectarian, ethnic, linguistic, provincial, class fault lines are because of failures in governance and do not require an overly elaborate anthropological deconstruction of the Pakistani society to figure that out. Tell an illiterate and a semi literate man enough times that 'Punjabi, Pashtun, Baluch, Sindhi, Muhajir *insert your group of choice* khaaa giyaaa funds' to rationalize away your own incompetence and it'll stick especially if hes not going to go on a fact finding mission to corroborate whether the Sardar fighting the good-fight for me in Baluchistan didn't spend a penny of his personal wealth to open even a broken down dispensary in his area of influence or that Mr.Potato Head in the PM suite is dumber than a dodo and the economy not picking up has next to nothing to do with Khan's shenanigans !

Deliver on the 'governance' and give these prejudices a mere 10 years...subbb khattam ho jain geiiin !

 

[haviZsultan]

Ayub Khan was an enemy of Pakistan and he stood against a national figure of the stature of Fatima Jinnah. The entire nation should stand with Fatima Jinnah.

 

[Armstrong]

There is no extrapolation, Ayub appealed to the masses with the allegation that his opponent is a RAW agent. Today is no different. Where do you see the extrapolation and seeing more than there is?

Tu mujhe seh ghuseei seh bolaaa !

 

[Secur]

If you are looking for Bharati generals writing books and confessing?

Please wait until 2045.

If you want to see similarities between Mukti Bahini and MQM militants.
Plenty of proof.
Heck I never liked Rao Anwar's media trial.

But there are direct confessions of Langra, Lamba etc.

you will understand this if you are like me, ready to see MQM militant wing and its horrible role in our beautiful city and urdu speaking community.

Thank you

Show me something worth seeing in that regard and I will see. And no confessions video, people can admit to murder of a thousand people under police torture. Working for a foreign agency is no problem at all. If the mere evidence of someone's involvement in something is that there's no evidence, then there really is no one exempt from this malicious blame game and propaganda.

 

[Pakistani E]

If the establishment can call Fatima jinnah an Indian agent and then punish Karachites for voting for her what makes you think they won't do it again if Karachites don't toe their line? Any neutral observer can see it.

And I love Pak army and Pakistan, If I honestly believed MQM was being supported by RAW I would be calling for an operation agains them. But I know it's foolish to label them RAW agents just because they refused to listen to the establishment on certain issues.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Ayub Khan was an enemy of Pakistan and he stood against a national figure of the stature of Fatima Jinnah. The entire nation should stand with Fatima Jinnah.

FJ failed to show up in Pak politics for almost 16 years when Pakistani politicians brought immense instability to Pakistan.

That in my view was shirking the responsibility by a big figure like FJ.

She was not a kid during 1949, 50s and then early 60s.

Why did she fail?

 

[Slav Defence]

You obviously know what rest of us not, maybe you got some inside info. Please provide us with the list of those thousands and thousands (exactly how many thousands) and the names of their murderers and their supposedly affiliation with a political party.

Oh no!
You and @Secur are at their best with logic and reasoning,specially with Mr.Zarvan
The main essence of this thread is to highlight political tactics.That is,accusing your rival of being foreign agent,pro-american,pro-Israel etc.
So,are we seeing reflections of past history in present situation?
Yes we do,
@Horus
Remember ,Imran Khan experienced same?He was accused of pro-jewish and having Jamima as Miss.Khan was enough to do so.
Now,let us come towards MQM:
-Jinnahpur conspiracy
-Saulat Mirza conspiracy
-Militant training at some African country conspiracy
-Hakeem Saeed assassination conspiracy etc

Every time,some criminals with unusual titles such as kunkatta, surphatta, lamba,dubla,kameena etc were recognized and then whole story along with proves are either rejected by court or players themselves jump up to tell real story.
Alright,now let us look at this story with another angle:
Albeit, every time something happened that proves MQM as "victim" yet still it meets tragic end and reason behind this is definitely Altaf Hussain's excessive dramatic words during his speech.Mr.Hussain's own words create obstacles for MQM as whole,thus giving chances to other parties to manipulate. Sad,but true.

Solution:
-Prevention of live coverage and transmission of his speech.
-Show only edited version
Regards

 

[rockstar08]

RAW , CIA , MOSSAD , ZIONIST , WAJIB-UL-QATAL ...
we never learn to accept others , whoever we dont support is one of them ...

 

[FaujHistorian]

Show me something worth seeing in that regard and I will see.

This is exactly Sh. Mujib and Mukti bahini was saying in 1970s.

Fast forward, to 1990s, and even Manekshaw came on record to confess the role of Indian agents training and equipping anti-Pakistan insurgency.

Please wake up. It pains me to see my community involved with militant wings and bhatta khori. Killings and murders.

we were supposed to be highly educated and thus above the racial and sectarian chauvinism. But we are not. Sadly.