What’s up lately with Pak-KSA relations ?

[American Pakistani]

How has Pakistan deceived KSA? Its KSA that has sponsored religious extremism in Pakistan and throughout muslim world.

They are more Arbi/Gulf than Pakistani.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

KSA has more ego and pride than they have Oil, we are and will always be Ajam ( 2nd class Humans ) to them, they won't even let you integrate into their culture to begin with, if it was up to them they would make Islam a Regional religion not a universal one . Their Pride and arrogance will be their downfall if its not already, because Allah does not like people who transgress their limits , those who took pride in them , those who believe to be superior to others etc . Only reason for Arabs to not get destroyed yet is that Dua of Prophet which he make before departing the world or else the Arabs are much worse than Jews in my opinion .

There is a big fat shut up call for those who lie! Ajam does NOT mean second class human! It means a person who cannot converse with an Arab. The original connotation is of a mute person. It is true they are directionless and have shallow, ignorant monarchies... last 100 years spent on Arab nationalism but their fate was foretold... they will be undone by another power... but that would be inspite having good people amongst them ...

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir, You are right in that.

However, the last 6 years, we can’t blame Pakistan Alone, death of King Abdullah, came in Salman, initiated yemen conflict and then came in MBS, the fostering of USA to KSA grew to new heights, it is as if MBS is an ambassador of USA, Previous kings weren’t that tough with Pakistan in dealing, the current Prince is a clever one, either is dictated directly by US or himself plays with Pakistan tough, giving narrow path to Pakistan in getting along with their conditions.

Come to Trump, and last years of Obama, and the influence of Indian Congress, The relations between Pak and USA went very down, as if just like any other country. Zarb e azb hurt US the most, and the fencing of torkhum and the Fall of TTP. USA lost much of its interest in Pakistan, China jumped in, finally signed CPEC, this further hurt the ties between Pak and USA. The ever growing Pak China relation, an the USA-Ksa relations, are the reason why it is getting tough for Pak and KSA to get along now, one can simply call KSA as USA.

Had Pakistan entered Yemen, China might have withdrew from CPEC, ME wouldn’t have invested that amount in infrastructure as China has done just to repay for Yemen.

Just my thoughts.

I am more interested to see what happens of Pak-Iran relations, especially if we see a regime change in iran which is not going to happen anytime soon.

@Mangus Ortus Novem @aliyusuf


PM and FM aren’t on the same page, that is why Imran Khan is being negatively portrayed due to his stances and unthought conversations, speaking anything to foreign persons that comes in his mind.

Hi,

It was totally our failure with KSA---.

Why does Israel does not fail with the USA---. There is a lots of anti Israel sentiment in the US---there are times that when american presidents are pushing hard against Israel but Israel keeps on moving forward and pushing on the joint relationship---.

Pakistanis as usual---make a nasty face at thing they don't like or don't understand---and keep on bragging about " our strong military " and saudi military is worthless---.

Well if a brother is "worthless' then Allah has created them that way---which means that Allah made the source for you to PROSPER FROM---.

The problem with the Pakistani Fools is that they have no clue how and in what form Allah gives---.

Pakistanis are thick headed---untill and unless---the resource does not become available in a certain manner---they don't accept that Allah has destined it to be so and they reject it---.

The pakistanis reject it just like their cousin brothers The Jews rejected Allah's blessing and centuries ago---. Fruit does not fall too far from the tree---.

Well ... seems like it is Turkey and Malaysia, who are taking the initiative. The rest are following suit. Pakistan would do well to do so too.

Having Qatar and Iran aboard adds diversity yet coherence of views.

For too long the Saudi's have been the benevolent elder brother who have been shaping the ME policies. It has been Ok until the advent of the current Saudi regime came to power. The tilt towards the US is now absolute. The clandestine growing influence of the Zionists in Saudi matters is alarming. Tilt towards India is just the last nail in the so called coffin of the deference that Pakistan had held the Saudi Arabia throughout it's history. We need to stand on our own economic feet. Stop taking hand out's and start increasing national production. Create our economic, diplomatic and security bloc that is not against anyone but more in support of each other. OIC seems to be hostage to the the policies of the Arab League. Pan Islamism has no sway with major Arab countries. Most of them are vying for a more closer tie with the US. In that context supporting India is part of their US appeasement policy. Saudi Arabia has pledged something like 75 to 100 bn USD investment in India. Well I think it's high time Pakistan take a new look to it's Arabian policy. However, having said that, we need to stay wary of the Iranians too.

Hi,

Regardless of your belief---asking Iran in an alliance or forming an alliance with Iran is a death sentence for Pakistan---.

There are 4 other countries who have been decimated by iranian interference---.

Turkey has created many a not needed problems for them recently and malaysia is coming out of a financial disaster of the previous corrupt govt---.

Qatar is a fine nation but very small---. And Iran---it is nest of WASPS.

The problem with the pakistanis is that they really don't know who they are---. They are a nuclear power---possibly the 7th strongest nation of the world---and yet its citizens are wandering around like weaklings---.

Rather that making alliances with the powerful---we are trying to make it with the weak and the sordid---.

Turkey has no influence over US or the world---neither does Malaysia---and talk of Iran---rather put a noose around your neck and say hang me now please---don't wait.

What surprises me is from where do pakistani young men get their " international relations " training from---?

 

[Deltadart]

International relations are constantly evolving: something lost on the policy makers in Pakistan. They have a habit of selling our nation to the highest bidder for the short term gains. We had a super sugar daddy for a very long time, now that we have been disposed off like a sanitary napkin by them, we are completely lost. The new master is not so benign or bothers with laws and regulations. They have started off by taking advantage of our poor Pakistan girls under the guise of marriages, (actually for organ harvesting, prostitution etc), ofcourse it wouldn't work without the complicity of local traitors/pimps.
More to come in the future when we can't pay back their loans. I wonder What else we will let them get away with in the future? Scary thought.

 

[Dual Wielder]

When your heavily dependent on the remittenance, which is equal to the propotion of your abysmal exports, and your imports exceed 2.5 folds the latter, thanks to the policies of the ingenious industrial tycoon Nawaz Sharif et al; becuase heck all Pakistanis are wealthy like him so; "hey lets keep following the importing mantra.." It's no wonder we are in this state today.

Foreign relations keep revolving over time, todays enemy maybe your best friend tommorow and vice-versa, heck look at our Malaysian relationship now, we pissed them off during the Malaysia-Indonesia confontation by siding with Indonesia, to give substance how close our relationship with Indonesia was at the time, they were willing to support us and open a front against India in the east (Bay of Bengal / Andaman sea). Now fast track to today Indonesia is shamelessly mute over the second dismemberment of Pakistan, whilst the Malaysian PM, who is heading a fragile coalition, risked the political and economic fallout by righteously supporting us over the official Kashmir annexation, by the Bharti dogs.

The only reason why Saudi Arabia is generally 'respected' by sheeple is because they illegitimately occupy Hejaz, a gift by the British to for dismembering the Caliphate, to put things to prospective the 'house of saud' did not get recongnition by the muslims and the butcher of muslims the Russian empire (well known for mass butchering muslims and absorbing muslim states) offered to give them legitimacy. So one should not see the 'house of saud' as an legal entity, but rather they are a resemblence to modern day ISIS, a group of infighting cannibalistic thugs fueled by greed and lust for power, who were unfortunately given keys the the kindom. This cursed clan only reached enlightenment during the Faisal days; who was more genuine to the Muslim cause, but was assassinated by his own blood, and infact if I recal correctly, he asked God to take his life away, if he could not free Jerusalem NOW compare that with this fool MBS, who is backing this so called 'peace plan' and infact offered Abbas 10 billion USD on the bahalf of his zionist brothers to accept it.

So trying to make sense of this fasad you call 'relationship' is pointless, our establishment and illiterate leaders were criminally incompetent these past decades, whilst India was putting all their ducks in a row; our leaders plundered and enjoyed luxury at the cost to the state, now we must pay the price with interest. We have not got many options we can leverage from, as you know the GCC has got the state by the neck, but at the sametime we cannot compromise on our RED LINE, I am hoping with clever political manoeuvring we can get out of the current quagmire, and forge closer meaningful political and economical ties with nations like Malaysia i.e. they requesting 100-150k immigrants, which will help to diversify our remmitence basket, and to most importantly ensure the biggest lifeline that is CPEC goes full steam ahead, we need to build up our exports as relying on the host of expats is dictating our poor foreign policy at the cost to the state interests.

What surprises me is from where do pakistani young men get their " international relations " training from---?

Certainly not from reading; 'Mercenary for Hire: How to be the perfect Courtesan'

 

[Clutch]

Honestly if its not for Mecca and Medina , KSA has no importance for Pakistan

Saudis are bankrolling Pakistan. Beggars can't be choosers.

KSA is currenty being ruled by naive millenials which is certainly destined to be shortlived. Have patience. Things will be back to normal sooner than you might imagine.

Pakistan's 100% alliance with Saudis currently would be a risky move. MBS is moving the nation too fast towards the Neo-liberal Zionist cultural camp.

MBS promised to the West Saudi recognition of Israel in exchange for his ascension to the throne.

But all thrones are made to be overthrown.

The conservative and traditionalist in Saudi will take MBS out or cause a civil war... Saudi Arabia is currently living on borrowed time.

Pakistanis are beholden to the Saudis as they bankroll Pakistan. Pakistan sees more ideological and emotional connection with Turkey and Malaysia.

Unfortunately, beggars can't be choosers. Say well done to decades of Corruption!!!

Conclusion:
Pakistan cannot give Saudis 100% alliance. Saudis are not happy with less than 100% servitude from Pakistan and are breaking the mold.

Pakistan would like to divide it's alliance:
50% Turkey-Malaysia
And
50% Saudi-GCC

Iran as a neutral is good enough from Pakistan's perspective ... However Iran comes as a part of the Turkey-Malaysia package.

 

[War Thunder]

Since 2 weeks, many things are pointing to a direction in which Pak and KSA are not on same page or are having some sort of RIFTS.

- KSA unwilling to Back Kashmir in OIC

- PMIK’s statement to Mahatir “We couldn’t attend KL Summit due to Pressure from KSA”

- Pak-Iran to collaborate on Film Industry focusing on historical Islamic characters

- Iran trying to create a Bloc of muslim countries to cooperate in terms of intel on security of region including turkey and Pak as well as Qatar and Malaysia.


What are your views guys ? What has happened all of a sudden ?

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Verve @waz @The Eagle @MastanKhan @PakSword

They are in bed with Israel more openly than ever.
That is what has happened.

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi,

It was totally our failure with KSA---.

Why does Israel does not fail with the USA---. There is a lots of anti Israel sentiment in the US---there are times that when american presidents are pushing hard against Israel but Israel keeps on moving forward and pushing on the joint relationship---.

Pakistanis as usual---make a nasty face at thing they don't like or don't understand---and keep on bragging about " our strong military " and saudi military is worthless---.

Well if a brother is "worthless' then Allah has created them that way---which means that Allah made the source for you to PROSPER FROM---.

The problem with the Pakistani Fools is that they have no clue how and in what form Allah gives---.

Pakistanis are thick headed---untill and unless---the resource does not become available in a certain manner---they don't accept that Allah has destined it to be so and they reject it---.

The pakistanis reject it just like their cousin brothers The Jews rejected Allah's blessing and centuries ago---. Fruit does not fall too far from the tree---.



Hi,

Regardless of your belief---asking Iran in an alliance or forming an alliance with Iran is a death sentence for Pakistan---.

There are 4 other countries who have been decimated by iranian interference---.

Turkey has created many a not needed problems for them recently and malaysia is coming out of a financial disaster of the previous corrupt govt---.

Qatar is a fine nation but very small---. And Iran---it is nest of WASPS.

The problem with the pakistanis is that they really don't know who they are---. They are a nuclear power---possibly the 7th strongest nation of the world---and yet its citizens are wandering around like weaklings---.

Rather that making alliances with the powerful---we are trying to make it with the weak and the sordid---.

Turkey has no influence over US or the world---neither does Malaysia---and talk of Iran---rather put a noose around your neck and say hang me now please---don't wait.

What surprises me is from where do pakistani young men get their " international relations " training from---?

Deep, really deep, i bet if you were a businessman, you could have achieved miles, regardless of thinking nature, you are an out of the box thinker, respect for you sir.

Rather that making alliances with the powerful---we are trying to make it with the weak and the sordid---.

Making alliances out of emotions, and then when you make them with emotions, you kick off the old allies from your good books. This kicking off is the thing i earlier referred to as a women’s behavior, putting your eggs in one basket, which has holes in it. China and USA enjoy better relations with each other as compared to Pak and Usa, even though those 2 super powers are rivals of each other.

When we got closest to China, we dumped USA completely, instead of systematically and cleverly bringing down the heightened relations, we just kicked them off our books. This is what i am afraid might happen with Pak and KSA relations soon...

No matter what we think of Arabs, or the prophecies, We should never abandon Arab, EVEN IF THE RULERS ARE CORRUPT. We Pakistanis have a grave problem of always living in Prophecies, and then sitting idle, thinking that “Acha han, ye To Allah ne aisa hi karna hai, hum bethkar dekhte hain”, even when prophecies will become true, We won’t be safe from Israel, it will be knocking us from Indian ocean front as well as probably Destabilized Iran/Afghanistan

 

[BATMAN]

Productive Alliances to build *

Of course new alliances can be built, but besides the alliance lead by enemies of Saudi Arabia, what choices you got?

Basically Imran Khan's handlers are desperate to destabilize middleast... obviously Iran himself not only failed, but as well got humiliated. Now they are looking at Pakistani idiots for their evil plans, and we have plenty of them, who just follow lies.... same as you stated in OP.

Imran Khan and his handlers can plan but Allah has his plans.

 

[StormBreaker]

Of course new alliances can be built, but besides the alliance lead by enemies of Saudi Arabia, what choices you got?

Basically Imran Khan's handlers are desperate to destabilize middleast... obviously Iran himself not only failed, but as well got humiliated. Now they are looking at Pakistani idiots for their evil plans, and we have plenty of them, who just follow lies.... same as you stated in OP.

Imran Khan and his handlers can plan but Allah has his plans.

If we look at that from a wider picture, except for China and Russia, most of the militarily active countries are heading to a direction that will destabilize the world peace, USA, India, France, Whole of Middle East, Iraq, Egypt, Turkey, Not to forget Israel and iran and their proxies, greece.

China and Russia are quietly watching, Pakistan is actively countering its threats from borders and is semi active in the international shift of world dynamics since we haven’t expressed our interest in taking part of any conflict.

Only time will answer whats gonna happen, but all i can see is doom in some or even by the end of this decade, restlessness grows, internal and external threats of most countries increase, many countries are heading towards civil unrestness and war.

 

[StormBreaker]

Of course new alliances can be built, but besides the alliance lead by enemies of Saudi Arabia, what choices you got?

There comes a time, after thousand times, parents warn their kids of avoiding something that will prove bad for them, parents give up.

“KSA IS THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF KSA AND IT’S FELLOW ALLIES IN THE ME REGION”​

What options do we have now ? March and kick out Al-Saud from their own kingdom when still we will be considered villains by the people of those lands ? Isn’t American strategy to destabilize all countries and their existing Order of Rule be it monarchy/Communism or anything else, in the name of introducing democracy for people ?

This is why we must leave KSA as it is and one can only pray for them, since I don’t think advices from Pakistan overweigh the orders or advices from USA.

 

[SD 10]

If KSA ditch Pakistan then they will show their true face to muslim world which still thinks that KSA is rightful owner of Islam.

Myth is breaking now.

 

[BATMAN]

There comes a time, after thousand times, parents warn their kids of avoiding something that will prove bad for them, parents give up.

“KSA IS THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF KSA AND IT’S FELLOW ALLIES IN THE ME REGION”​

What options do we have now ? March and kick out Al-Saud from their own kingdom when still we will be considered villains by the people of those lands ? Isn’t American strategy to destabilize all countries and their existing Order of Rule be it monarchy/Communism or anything else, in the name of introducing democracy for people ?

This is why we must leave KSA as it is and one can only pray for them, since I don’t think advices from Pakistan overweigh the orders or advices from USA.

I fail to make any real sense from your remarks... may be some British commie can.... but what i sense.... the PIA indeed is the MBS, which i know from the forum history. So all the rest of the BS is just bubbles in boiling water.

Irrespective of your proposed ways to destabilize the region, there's a history of attempts, which obviously have had always failed.... Saudi Arabia will remain protected, as long it's wished by Allah, but what will be the consequences on Pakistan, are no secret.

 

[Verve]

The problem with the Pakistani Fools is that they have no clue how and in what form Allah gives---.

So the 'intelligent' think that they know how and what form Allah will give/reward us for killing fellow Muslims who have no ill towards us Paks?

Anyone promoting killing Muslims who do not attack us is clueless himself!

 

[BATMAN]

asking Iran in an alliance or forming an alliance with Iran is a death sentence for Pakistan---.

That's the idea.