What’s up lately with Pak-KSA relations ?

[YeBeWarned]

Saudis are bankrolling Pakistan. Beggars can't be choosers.

US did more to Pakistan but we did go separate ways too, if you push a country to a corner it will eventually backfire .

 

[jericho]

PMIK’s statement to Mahatir “We couldn’t attend KL Summit due to Pressure from KSA”

He did not say it like the way you are quoting, from the videos I heard.

 

[MastanKhan]

So the 'intelligent' think that they know how and what form Allah will give/reward us for killing fellow Muslims who have no ill towards us Paks?

Anyone promoting killing Muslims who do not attack us is clueless himself!

Hi,

First of all---terrorists / insurgents are not fellow muslims---. Houthis started terrorist activities---then there was a massive fear of isis as well.

The fear of isis was one of the primary reason for gcc asking pakistan for help---.

So all the wars by the invading muslim armies against the other muslim armies were clueless wars---.

All the afghan invasions or turkmen invasions of hindustan were clueless---?

Every person who has a LINEAGE OF BEING MUSLIM over the centuries knows that---that wars happen---. Zaheeruddin Mohammad Babur fights Ibrahim Lodhi---Amir Taimur fights Yeldrim---Sher Shah Suri ousts Jehangir---Iran starts a proxy war of terror in pakistan during the 80's---90's---.

The only ones who have a hard time knowing that would be the low caste hindus those who converted to islam not too long ago---because in those wars they did not participate directly or indirectly---because they were subjugated by one side or the other side---.

There comes a time, after thousand times, parents warn their kids of avoiding something that will prove bad for them, parents give up.

“KSA IS THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF KSA AND IT’S FELLOW ALLIES IN THE ME REGION”​

What options do we have now ? March and kick out Al-Saud from their own kingdom when still we will be considered villains by the people of those lands ? Isn’t American strategy to destabilize all countries and their existing Order of Rule be it monarchy/Communism or anything else, in the name of introducing democracy for people ?

This is why we must leave KSA as it is and one can only pray for them, since I don’t think advices from Pakistan overweigh the orders or advices from USA.

Hi,

Why should we kick them out---.

First of all---Pakistanis don't have the mental capacity to kick out someone---pakistanis do not have the mental ability of conquest---.

Current Pakistanis are basically kiss ar-se miskeen people who would prefer to serve rather than rule---it is in their nature---it is in their genes---.

Those pakistanis who wanted to lead and conquer are gone---. The down grade started at the end of Ayub Khan's tenure---then Yahya---Bhutto---Zia---Benazir---Nawaz---Zardari---and ended with Imran Khan.

After partition---the educated class of pakistan were the sons and daughters of warriors---either those in the military or the civil service---either they be punjabi pathan baluchi sindhi or the Urdu speaking muhajjirs---.

They all had the genes of the conquerers---those who could lead---because before partition there were those who were leading and those who were being led---.

After partition---over a period of time---those who were leading got taken out by those who were being led---because those being led wanted to be on the perch and enjoy the advantages of being on the lofty position---.

Sitting on the perch---did give them benefits---but when the time came to give back---these people did not have the fighting genes in them---. Their genetic makeup was technically sub-survient---that is why they kiss ar-se---Ji sir---Ji sir---Ji sir---.

In the 50's we had planned to conquer across the sea a couple of gcc countries---the plan somehow got leaked and the british ambassador warned his pakistani counter part in the foreign office not to do so---.

More than half of the planners were muhajirs---the urdu speaking ones---those who we make fun of and called them cowards---well they were not---.

Sadly---most of the brave heads of families fell on their swords and were replaced by those without backbones---and that is pretty much thru 1 /2 of the spectrum.

The only bright light we saw for a short term was the brave Muhajjir also known as General Musharraf---who got deceived by the Punjabis in the end.

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi,

Why should we kick them out---.

First of all---Pakistanis don't have the mental capacity to kick out someone---pakistanis do not have the mental ability of conquest---.

Current Pakistanis are basically kiss ar-se miskeen people who would prefer to serve rather than rule---it is in their nature---it is in their genes---.

That i do agree, actually not just Pakistanis, but whole world, especially the countries that haven’t seen total destruction or some very major wars, living in comfort and peace, growing up kids on books and games and cartoons. Seldom does one see a student/or young one who is interested in deep history, real politics, political models, strategics and military. We might have some such gems on this forum as well, but they if exist, are a minority on this forum.
But then again, to be a leader, requires in depth knowledge as well of all the subjects i mentioned above, when there is no motivation and such degree, how can one expect such people coming up ? This in turn is good as well as bad. Good in a sense that there would be lesser chances of some selfish morons growing up to become some leaders of stupid movements while playing for others.

Those pakistanis who wanted to lead and conquer are gone---. The down grade started at the end of Ayub Khan's tenure---then Yahya---Bhutto---Zia---Benazir---Nawaz---Zardari---and ended with Imran Khan.

After partition---the educated class of pakistan were the sons and daughters of warriors---either those in the military or the civil service---either they be punjabi pathan baluchi sindhi or the Urdu speaking muhajjirs---.

They all had the genes of the conquerers---those who could lead---because before partition there were those who were leading and those who were being led---.

After partition---over a period of time---those who were leading got taken out by those who were being led---because those being led wanted to be on the perch and enjoy the advantages of being on the lofty position---.

Like i said, the generation, the generation of you and your fathers, were the last ones with such mentality, ours is busy in different every day life issues, don’t even get time and will to come out of the box, enter the realm of widerness.

So the 'intelligent' think that they know how and what form Allah will give/reward us for killing fellow Muslims who have no ill towards us Paks?

Anyone promoting killing Muslims who do not attack us is clueless himself!

I believe @MastanKhan ’s Solution to enter Yemen WAS good in a sense that we could have intervened with military presence, overtook the whole situation just bring both parties on table and a solution WITHOUT SINGLE BLOODSHED FROM ANY SIDE. Even Houthis could have reasoned with us given out direct relations with iran and their Religion label. I am pretty sure, the foot soldiers of KSA and allies didn’t want to get into all this mess, War are fought for a strong cause, yemen is not ONE of them !!!

Pakistan could have intervened and played a major third party between KSA, Yemen, Houthi and Iran, but like MK said, we lack leadership qualities, and our previous government had a pacifier stuck on the mouth which had USA’s honey in it.

 

[Clutch]

US did more to Pakistan but we did go separate ways too, if you push a country to a corner it will eventually backfire

Correct. But Pakistan is more of a victim of its own doing than due to others.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Correct. But Pakistan is more of a victim of its own doing than due to others.

True ..

 

[Verve]

I believe @MastanKhan ’s Solution to enter Yemen WAS good in a sense that we could have intervened with military presence, overtook the whole situation just bring both parties on table and a solution WITHOUT SINGLE BLOODSHED FROM ANY SIDE. Even Houthis could have reasoned with us given out direct relations with iran and their Religion label. I am pretty sure, the foot soldiers of KSA and allies didn’t want to get into all this mess, War are fought for a strong cause, yemen is not ONE of them !!!

Pakistan could have intervened and played a major third party between KSA, Yemen, Houthi and Iran, but like MK said, we lack leadership qualities, and our previous government had a pacifier stuck on the mouth which had USA’s honey in it.

Constantly pondering over the past and what could have been is pointless. Learning the lesson, irrespective of it being a mistake or otherwise, and moving forward is what we should be doing.

Saudis have complied to calling OIC conference so let's see how it plays out.

 

[Super Falcon]

Saudi Arabia turns down Pakistan demand for urgent OIC Foreign Minister's meet on Kashmir
As the Senior Officials Meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation starts in Jeddah onFebruary 9 to make preparations for the OIC’s Council of Foreign Ministers, Saudi Arabia has shown reluctance to accept Pakistan’s request for an immedia...
By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | Feb 06, 2020, 09.50 PM IST

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While Saudi Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan visited Islamabad after Khan skipped Kuala Lumpur summit at the behest of Riyadh, Pakistan failed to garner support for standalone meeting on Kashmir of OIC.
New Delhi: In yet another setback for PM Imran Khan Saudi Arabia has refused to accept Pakistan's demand for stand alone OIC Foreign Minister meeting on Kashmir in near future.

As the Senior Officials Meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation starts in Jeddah onFebruary 9 to make preparations for the OIC’s Council of Foreign Ministers, Saudi Arabia has shown reluctance to accept Pakistan’s request for an immediate meeting on Kashmir, ET has learnt.
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Khan voiced frustration over the OIC’s silence on Kashmir while speaking at a think-tank during his visit to Malaysia and in fact chided Saudi Arabia indirectly for it He said on Tuesday in Kuala Lumpur: “The reason is that we have no voice and there is a total division amongst [us]. We can’t even come together as a whole on the OIC meeting on Kashmir.”

Pakistan has been pushing for the foreign ministers’ meeting of the 57-member bloc of Muslim countries, which is the second largest intergovernmental body after the UN.

Pakistan should change its foreign policy to middle east

Join malaysia turkey iran qatar block soon other will follow saudia has no vision but to serve eternal masters israel


Stop giving special place to saudia except makah and madina and work for free makad madina from this devil as turkey too said

Iran has lot of money but sanctioned they will help u

What will saud do they will send pak labours back this is what they are doing early stop behaving like second class country we have nukes and can use them who ever threaten our or islamic agenda

Saudia has ruined islamic system thats why israel opened its wings today openly killing muslims

Other way if u keep defying ALLAH look what hapoebed to kaboos of oman he shaked his hand with israel he died better take a snake from head

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Just one of the many things;Saudis dont like how we are working around with Japan and EU to have more of our labor..This has potential to reduce our dependence on them..
However Pakistan should not haste and make a wrong decision, just keep a foot on the arab peninsula while moving ahead on KL summit..

 

[313ghazi]

Economic independence = actual independence.

Maybe we will see the day, maybe we won't, but each one of us should work to creating a country where our children will see an economically independent Pakistan. This won't happen through the work of government, we need to be capitalists - this will happen through our efforts to attain wealth, pay tax and pay zakat/sadaqah.

Each and every one of us should look to create wealth, especially wealth through business were we can sell products or employ people.

If our leaders were not idiots and cowards we could be independent inspite of financial hardship, unfortunately, we are cursed with the leadership class we have. So we have to make it easier for them to take the right decisions by strengthening our own nation. We cannot leave it in the hands of our so called elite.

 

[Old School]

Pakistan has the potential to surpass Saudis in every developement catagory. We will reach that stage when we reject our subservient political leaderships which have been biting us since our countey was born.

 

[dBSPL]

Join malaysia turkey iran qatar block

There is no such bloc.

 

[313ghazi]

Economic independence = actual independence.

Maybe we will see the day, maybe we won't, but each one of us should work to creating a country where our children will see an economically independent Pakistan. This won't happen through the work of government, we need to be capitalists - this will happen through our efforts to attain wealth, pay tax and pay zakat/sadaqah.

Each and every one of us should look to create wealth, especially wealth through business were we can sell products or employ people.

If our leaders were not idiots and cowards we could be independent inspite of financial hardship, unfortunately, we are cursed with the leadership class we have. So we have to make it easier for them to take the right decisions by strengthening our own nation. We cannot leave it in the hands of our so called elite.

Some of the biggest winners of the British Empire and the American frontier days were regular people, people who exploited opportunity, who joined the goldrush, who joined the East India company. Those people made money, came back to the UK, bought land and titles and suddenly were buying their way into the houses of parliament and the house of lords.

Wealth can do that for us too. An educated wealth population will have higher aspirations - they won't tolerate those half baked Naya Pakistan we're being delivered and they certainly won't tolerate the pathetic Pakistan hating excuse of a political opposition we have. New money will fund new faces and new policies in politics too.

 

[PakistaniJunior]

We need to minimize our workforce in the gulf countries. Our authorities or establishment should discourage people from settling in Gulf states through heavy taxes and encourage working in other more neutral countries.

Another way would be for the government to gradually reduce using the money it gets from Gulf states. We must remember that indigenous investment must also be made in Pakistan which would provide the wellfare of the people.

Ultimately, we have the resources to stand up on our own. However corruption , Lack of investment and order is holding us back. The first step to a positive future starts with the correction of our educational institutions though. The build up of our character and professionalism is very important. Then we can invest in fields that require such professionalism which would ultimately generate income.

Someone needs to take the initiative. That's it.

 

[313ghazi]

We need to minimize our workforce in the gulf countries. Our authorities or establishment should discourage people from settling in Gulf states through heavy taxes and encourage working in other more neutral countries.

Another way would be for the government to gradually reduce using the money it gets from Gulf states. We must remember that indigenous investment must also be made in Pakistan which would provide the wellfare of the people.

Ultimately, we have the resources to stand up on our own. However corruption , Lack of investment and order is holding us back. The first step to a positive future starts with the correction of our educational institutions though. The build up of our character and professionalism is very important. Then we can invest in fields that require such professionalism which would ultimately generate income.

Someone needs to take the initiative. That's it.

The best way we can do that is generate jobs in Pakistan, jobs that pay a decent salary.

If you're making furniture in Pakistan and selling it locally, you can afford to hire people and pay them a reasonable wage. If you are exporting that furniture abroad you can afford to pay the same people a much better wage. This way your workforce remains yours, it doesn't leave for Dubai, it doesn't take it's skills elsewhere for a few hundred rupees a month more. The impact on our nation is working class people being able to afford a decent standard of living on a Pakistani salary. Of course you could also just pay them the same and keep the extra profit for yourself, but that approach doesn't benefit the nation much.

The need of the hour is young people with skills in e-commerce, business analysis, finance, marketing to team together and change the small SME's of Pakistan into businesses which are exporting and expanding. Do it for a % of increased profits, eventually someone will make a killing.