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Once upon a time there was a churail. Her hair wud stand on her head like a bedraggled mop. Once she was walking thru thick forests, her hair got entangled with lo leaning tree branches and she got lifted up in the air when the branch moved up for some reason. She always remained stuck on that branch.
Story ends.
Story ends.
Hi, I wanted to give Quranic perspective about an article given in the post:
Islam and slavery: The persistence of history
But, the post is in seniors cafe, where I am not allowed. So, Please somebody copy and paste it there. I am doing this only because I think that topic is very important and should be addressed in the light of Quran to clear any misconceptions.
The purpose of this post is to give the Quranic perspective on slavery.
Quran uses the word 'what your right hand possess' as an alternative term for slave (Ghulam, Abd). This term encompasses all people who are dependent upon a person (Master); whether they are slave, are in bondage or servitude.
Forced concubinage is not sanctioned in Quran.
Do not force your slave-girls into prostitution, when they themselves wish to remain honourable, in your quest for the short-term gains of this world, although, if they areforced, God will be forgiving and merciful to them. (24:33)
In the case of Yazidi women described in the article, those women are war captives not slaves. They are also not spoils of war about which instructions are given in verses 8:41 & 59:7 – 9. Quran makes a distinction between all 3. Humans captured in a battle can only be war captives; not slaves or spoils of war.
Treatment with Captives (Aseers)
There are only 2 kinds of treatments allowed for the captives in Quran:
No other treatment – including taking the slaves – is permitted in the Quran. The famous event of Battle of Khyber – in which Jews were enslaved – is total fabrication. Quran only talks about taking the captives (Aseers) not the Slaves (Abd or what your right hand possess).
Marriage with Slave Women
First of all, the verses from Quran ask believers to marry with the slaves (what your right hand possesses).
If you fear that you will not deal fairly with orphan girls, you may marry whichever [other] women seem good to you, two, three, or four. If you fear that you cannot be equitable [to them], then marry only one, or your slave(s): that is more likely to make you avoid bias. (4:3)
Terms of marriage are given in verse 4:25; they not allowed to be kept as adulteresses or lovers.
If any of you does not have the means to marry a believing free woman, then marry a believing slave –– God knows best [the depth of] your faith: you are [all] part of the same family –– so marry them with their people’s consent and their proper bride-gifts. [Make them] married women, not adulteresses or lovers. If they commit adultery when they are married, their punishment will be half that of free women. This is for those of you who fear that you will sin; it is better for you to practise self-restraint. God is most forgiving and merciful, (4:25)
Treatment with Slaves (What your right hand possess)
In fact, a condition of bondage or servitude has always been and will always be present in all the cultures of the world. A person need not be a slave to be dependent completely on another person; that is why Quran talks about people who are totally dependent (what your right hand possess) upon the other.
Quran commands:
1. Treat the slaves so that they become your equals
God has given some of you more provision than others.Those who have been given more are unwilling to pass their provision on to the slaves they possess so that they become their equals. How can they refuse to acknowledge God’s blessings? (16:71)
2. Give slave women an equal status as a free woman; see above verses 4:3 and 4:25.
3. Marry off the slaves – share your wealth with them
Marry off the single among you and those of your male and female slaves who are fit [for marriage]. If they are poor, God will provide for them from His bounty: God’s bounty is infinite and He is all knowing. (24:32)
4. Make a contract with them if they want freedom and give them some of your bounty
If any of your slaves wish to pay for their freedom, make a contract with them accordingly, if you know they have good in them, and give them some of the wealth God has given you. (24:33)
In addition, Quran gives many incentives to believers to free the slaves. For example, 2:178; 4:92 – 93); (5:89); (58:2 – 4); (9:60). It does not, on the other hand, give any instructions to make somebody a slave.
Islam and slavery: The persistence of history
But, the post is in seniors cafe, where I am not allowed. So, Please somebody copy and paste it there. I am doing this only because I think that topic is very important and should be addressed in the light of Quran to clear any misconceptions.
The purpose of this post is to give the Quranic perspective on slavery.
Quran uses the word 'what your right hand possess' as an alternative term for slave (Ghulam, Abd). This term encompasses all people who are dependent upon a person (Master); whether they are slave, are in bondage or servitude.
Forced concubinage is not sanctioned in Quran.
Do not force your slave-girls into prostitution, when they themselves wish to remain honourable, in your quest for the short-term gains of this world, although, if they areforced, God will be forgiving and merciful to them. (24:33)
In the case of Yazidi women described in the article, those women are war captives not slaves. They are also not spoils of war about which instructions are given in verses 8:41 & 59:7 – 9. Quran makes a distinction between all 3. Humans captured in a battle can only be war captives; not slaves or spoils of war.
Treatment with Captives (Aseers)
There are only 2 kinds of treatments allowed for the captives in Quran:
- Release them by Grace
- Release them by Ransom
No other treatment – including taking the slaves – is permitted in the Quran. The famous event of Battle of Khyber – in which Jews were enslaved – is total fabrication. Quran only talks about taking the captives (Aseers) not the Slaves (Abd or what your right hand possess).
Marriage with Slave Women
First of all, the verses from Quran ask believers to marry with the slaves (what your right hand possesses).
If you fear that you will not deal fairly with orphan girls, you may marry whichever [other] women seem good to you, two, three, or four. If you fear that you cannot be equitable [to them], then marry only one, or your slave(s): that is more likely to make you avoid bias. (4:3)
Terms of marriage are given in verse 4:25; they not allowed to be kept as adulteresses or lovers.
If any of you does not have the means to marry a believing free woman, then marry a believing slave –– God knows best [the depth of] your faith: you are [all] part of the same family –– so marry them with their people’s consent and their proper bride-gifts. [Make them] married women, not adulteresses or lovers. If they commit adultery when they are married, their punishment will be half that of free women. This is for those of you who fear that you will sin; it is better for you to practise self-restraint. God is most forgiving and merciful, (4:25)
Treatment with Slaves (What your right hand possess)
In fact, a condition of bondage or servitude has always been and will always be present in all the cultures of the world. A person need not be a slave to be dependent completely on another person; that is why Quran talks about people who are totally dependent (what your right hand possess) upon the other.
Quran commands:
1. Treat the slaves so that they become your equals
God has given some of you more provision than others.Those who have been given more are unwilling to pass their provision on to the slaves they possess so that they become their equals. How can they refuse to acknowledge God’s blessings? (16:71)
2. Give slave women an equal status as a free woman; see above verses 4:3 and 4:25.
3. Marry off the slaves – share your wealth with them
Marry off the single among you and those of your male and female slaves who are fit [for marriage]. If they are poor, God will provide for them from His bounty: God’s bounty is infinite and He is all knowing. (24:32)
4. Make a contract with them if they want freedom and give them some of your bounty
If any of your slaves wish to pay for their freedom, make a contract with them accordingly, if you know they have good in them, and give them some of the wealth God has given you. (24:33)
In addition, Quran gives many incentives to believers to free the slaves. For example, 2:178; 4:92 – 93); (5:89); (58:2 – 4); (9:60). It does not, on the other hand, give any instructions to make somebody a slave.
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Life's Demerit System
All men who have been married will attest to some real wisdom in this email...
...In the world of romance, one single rule applies:
MAKE THE WOMAN HAPPY!
Do something she likes, and you get points.
Do something she dislikes, and points are subtracted.
You don't get any points for doing something she expects.
Sorry, that's the way the game is played.
Here is a non-exhaustive guide to the point system:
SIMPLE DUTIES
You make the bed. (+1)
You make the bed, but forget the decorative pillows. (-10)
You throw the bedspread over rumpled sheets. (-3)
You go out to buy her what she wants (+5) in the rain (+8)
But return with Beer. (-5)
PROTECTIVE DUTIES
You check out a suspicious noise at night. (+1)
You check out a suspicious noise, and it is nothing. (0)
You check out a suspicious noise, and it is something. (+5)
You pummel it with an iron rod. (+10)
It's her pet Schnauzer. (-30)
SOCIAL ENGAGEMENTS
You stay by her side for the entire party. (+1)
You stay by her side for a while, then leave to chat with an old school friend. (-2)
Named Tina (-10)
Tina is a dancer. (-20)
Tina has breast implants. (-40)
HER BIRTHDAY
You take her out to dinner. (+2)
You take her out to dinner, and it's not a sports bar. (+3)
Okay, it's a sports bar. (-2)
And its all-you-can-eat night. (-3)
It's a sports bar, it's all-you-can-eat night, and your face is painted the colors of your favorite team. (-10)
A NIGHT OUT
You take her to a movie. (+1)
You take her to a movie she likes. (+5)
You take her to a movie you hate. (+6)
You take her to a movie you like. (-2)
It's called 'Death Cop.' (-3)
You lied and said it was a foreign film about orphans. (-15)
YOUR PHYSIQUE
You develop a noticeable potbelly. (-15)
You develop a noticeable potbelly and exercise to get rid of it (+10)
You develop a noticeable potbelly and resort to baggy jeans and baggy Hawaiian shirts. (-30)
You say to her, "It doesn't matter, you have one too." (-80)
THE BIG QUESTION
She asks, "Do I look fat?" (-5)
(Yes, you lose points no matter what)
You hesitate in responding. (-10)
You reply, "Where?" (-35)
You give any other response. (-40)
COMMUNICATION
When she wants to talk about a problem, you listen, displaying what looks like a concerned expression. (+2)
You listen, for over 30 minutes (+50)
You listen for more than 30 minutes without looking at the TV. (+500)
She realizes this is because you have fallen asleep. (-4000)
Send this on to all of the gentlemen you know to refresh them on the point system.
(and to the ladies you know with a good sense of humor!)
All men who have been married will attest to some real wisdom in this email...
...In the world of romance, one single rule applies:
MAKE THE WOMAN HAPPY!
Do something she likes, and you get points.
Do something she dislikes, and points are subtracted.
You don't get any points for doing something she expects.
Sorry, that's the way the game is played.
Here is a non-exhaustive guide to the point system:
SIMPLE DUTIES
You make the bed. (+1)
You make the bed, but forget the decorative pillows. (-10)
You throw the bedspread over rumpled sheets. (-3)
You go out to buy her what she wants (+5) in the rain (+8)
But return with Beer. (-5)
PROTECTIVE DUTIES
You check out a suspicious noise at night. (+1)
You check out a suspicious noise, and it is nothing. (0)
You check out a suspicious noise, and it is something. (+5)
You pummel it with an iron rod. (+10)
It's her pet Schnauzer. (-30)
SOCIAL ENGAGEMENTS
You stay by her side for the entire party. (+1)
You stay by her side for a while, then leave to chat with an old school friend. (-2)
Named Tina (-10)
Tina is a dancer. (-20)
Tina has breast implants. (-40)
HER BIRTHDAY
You take her out to dinner. (+2)
You take her out to dinner, and it's not a sports bar. (+3)
Okay, it's a sports bar. (-2)
And its all-you-can-eat night. (-3)
It's a sports bar, it's all-you-can-eat night, and your face is painted the colors of your favorite team. (-10)
A NIGHT OUT
You take her to a movie. (+1)
You take her to a movie she likes. (+5)
You take her to a movie you hate. (+6)
You take her to a movie you like. (-2)
It's called 'Death Cop.' (-3)
You lied and said it was a foreign film about orphans. (-15)
YOUR PHYSIQUE
You develop a noticeable potbelly. (-15)
You develop a noticeable potbelly and exercise to get rid of it (+10)
You develop a noticeable potbelly and resort to baggy jeans and baggy Hawaiian shirts. (-30)
You say to her, "It doesn't matter, you have one too." (-80)
THE BIG QUESTION
She asks, "Do I look fat?" (-5)
(Yes, you lose points no matter what)
You hesitate in responding. (-10)
You reply, "Where?" (-35)
You give any other response. (-40)
COMMUNICATION
When she wants to talk about a problem, you listen, displaying what looks like a concerned expression. (+2)
You listen, for over 30 minutes (+50)
You listen for more than 30 minutes without looking at the TV. (+500)
She realizes this is because you have fallen asleep. (-4000)
Send this on to all of the gentlemen you know to refresh them on the point system.
(and to the ladies you know with a good sense of humor!)
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I'm in deep s.hit sir. Thanks !
Only the name's not Tina.
And as natural as I (vividly) recall.
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Leader bhai@levina arent you forgettting something?#Today?
Tell me you remember it because nobody else has wished me yet.
(I mean non-mallu).
I thought I will add some more info to it....
Do something she likes, you get points-(+1)
Do something she dislikes, and it gets subtracted- (-2).
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Leader bhai
Tell me you remember it because nobody else has wished me yet.
(I mean non-mallu).
Yes I remember, and I wish you all the best in life. RakshaBandhan
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AwwYes I remember, and I wish you all the best in life. RakshaBandhan
So sweet.
But Rakshabandhan is tommorow.
I was talking about the festival of Onam, which is celebrated by Keralites.
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Aww
So sweet.
But Rakshabandhan is tommorow.
I was talking about the festival of Onam, which is celebrated by Keralites.
damn it, I forgot, it was 2-3 weeks ago that I learned and kept remembering, till I wished a day before
I dont know about Onam festival. damn you guys have so many cool festive... what is Onam about?
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Rakhi is on Aug 29.damn it, I forgot, it was 2-3 weeks ago that I learned and kept remembering, till I wished a day before
its a harvest festival.
It's about pookalam(flowers), sadya(food), dance (kathakali) etc.
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Rakhi is on Aug 29.
its a harvest festival.
It's about pookalam(flowers), sadya(food), dance (kathakali) etc.
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thats celebrated in Kerala, I am guessing from the food?
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Hahaha
Yes, sadya is an important part of this festival.
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are you laughing at me for seeing food first, assuming that I am paito?
well no denying at it, I see food first everywhere 
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Not sure if you will like the taste of South Indian food.are you laughing at me for seeing food first, assuming that I am paito?
Idlli and Dosas are the more famous (fast) foods of this region.
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