Ambedkar is also mysterious. Honestly I know little about him. He had a great deal of willpower no doubt
And I also seek the demolition of the caste system 
Savarkar's design of "Hindustan" was fundamentally weak and looks utterly fragile to its core.For example, he acknowledges that Hindus and Muslims indeed are two nations. This is a debatable statement. Ordinary Muslims in India, by far and large are entirely detached from their Arabic,Persian or any other Middle Eastern counterpart. In fact a South Indian Muslim, in his customs,culture or language was more akin to a South Indian Hindu than to a Muslim living in UP or Bihar. If you notice the Shia custom during Muharram or the rituals followed by upper echelon Muslim nobles when a baby is born, you will see how Muslims for the last thousand years have been imbibed into Hindu culture and essentially Hindu way of performing rituals.By describing entire Muslim community as a distinct separate nation is a flawed concept.Also his idea of a subservient Muslim community living under a powerful Hindu dominance violates every essence of a liberal society;Something definitely conforms with a Ram Rajya after all.I am also fascinated by Savarkar. Though I ain't an atheist like him.
Hitler will remain an enigma forever.
This is what Ambedkar had to say about Savarkar -
"Mr. Savarkar... insists that, although there are two nations in India, India shall not be divided into two parts, one for Muslims and the other for the Hindus; that the two nations shall dwell in one country and shall live under the mantle of one single constitution;.... In the struggle for political power between the two nations the rule of the game which Mr. Savarkar prescribes is to be one man one vote, be the man Hindu or Muslim. In his scheme a Muslim is to have no advantage which a Hindu does not have. Minority is to be no justification for privilege and majority is to be no ground for penalty. The State will guarantee the Muslims any defined measure of political power in the form of Muslim religion and Muslim culture. But the State will not guarantee secured seats in the Legislature or in the Administration and, if such guarantee is insisted upon by the Muslims, such guaranteed quota is not to exceed their proportion to the general population." - Ambedkar, Bhimrao Ramji (1945). Pakistan or the Partition of India. Mumbai: Thackers.
Nehru hated this man tremendously - in fact only after Nehru's death Shastri started his pension! Nehru also wanted to demolish the Cellular Jail!
@Ravi Nair @scorpionx
I love this. A real discussion after such a long time. I will puncture this a little laterSavarkar's design of "Hindustan" was fundamentally weak and looks utterly fragile to its core.For example, he acknowledges that Hindus and Muslims indeed are two nations. This is a debatable statement. Ordinary Muslims in India, by far and large are entirely detached from their Arabic,Persian or any other Middle Eastern counterpart. In fact a South Indian Muslim, in his customs,culture or language was more akin to a South Indian Hindu than to a Muslim living in UP or Bihar. If you notice the Shia custom during Muharram or the rituals followed by upper echelon Muslim nobles when a baby is born, you will see how Muslims for the last thousand years have been imbibed into Hindu culture and essentially Hindu way of performing rituals.By describing entire Muslim community as a distinct separate nation is a flawed concept.Also his idea of a subservient Muslim community living under a powerful Hindu dominance violates every essence of a liberal society;Something definitely conforms with a Ram Rajya after all.
Secondly, according to Savarkar Sanskrit is an essentially "Hindu" language and Hindi should be the Pan Hindu National Language. But how hollow this claim is? Classical Sanskrit is a codified version of Vedic Sanskrit which belong to Indo-European language group. Vedic Sanskrit had direct derivative Prakrita from which Ardha Magadhi and later from which Hindi and Urdu had originated. So, by Savarkar's own argument Urdu too becomes an essentially "Hindu" language too!!
I really do not know how much Savarkar was hated by Nehru.There were ample evidences against him. Like the testimony Digambar Bagde gave which was quite comprehensive. But some how Savarkar escaped the wrath of Judicial system. I have no idea what saved him,but there is every chance of a powerful lobby within the ruling party was behind his acquittal.
Oh Wait!! We are in the wrong place. Aren't we?
And we are unfortunately in the wrong place Puncture !! OkI love this. A real discussion after such a long time. I will puncture this a little later
Puncture !! Ok
The crux of the matter is the definition of the terms - Hindus and Muslims. It is our good fortune and our Muslims' credit that they have by and large not followed the extremist footsteps. But...
Just because Pakistanis speak and write Urdu is not reason enough for me to dismiss it as being non Hindu. It is Hindu - but not solely so. It also belongs to others. But from Ambedkar's quoted passage it is clear that he was perhaps more secular in approach (even if taken at face value) than all our present leaders today - from across the political spectrum. No special privileges, no special duties - just like any other. The only point of contention - you can say is the primary allegiance. Savarkar wants that to be the 'motherland, the holyland' instead of faith. Pretty close to 'India First' slogan of today. I must say, a commendable idea indeed. 
1. Honestly I know little of the unbiased story about him, so I will take your post as true.
2. Hindus and Muslims can be considered two nations. The two nations need not be mutually exclusive. Indeed, they can be complimentary
----i. A 'pure' (for the lack of a better word) Muslim will be totally different from a Hindu or a Sikh/Buddhist.
----ii. As you said, the similarity exists between a Tamil Hindu and and a Tamil Muslim because as you said - Muslims have imbibed Hindu culture.
^^^Now here in comes the logic of the Two Nation Theory(not necessarily of Jinnah's authorship) - the 'fear' of being dominated socially and culturally by non Muslims so much so that the Muslim identity itself is compromised.
As an example - the cultural mixture of the Muslims and Hindus that you have mentioned and I also cherish is itself considered a danger by many Muslims.
----iii. Also to note is the ability of Indian/Hindu culture is unique - assimilation. A Hindu can and does consider even Christ as God (may be not by everyone) - it is not considered blasphemy. Actually the term itself does not exist. On the other hand, though the Hanafi fiqh has been followed in India and therefore we have been spared the worst of excesses, it remains that Islam remains or at least tries to remain - shall we say unadulterated. This Abrahamic insistence on superiority goes above my head
----v. Now the instances of conflicts is rising - not only from historically troubled and repeatedly invaded areas like the North, but also and most stunningly in Kerala. Onam as a festival was and still is celebrated not only by Hindus but also by Christians and others. Now Muslims however are turning away from it - especially in the North. @Manvantaratruti may be able to give you a better idea. The idea of being a better Muslim, unfortunately lies in seclusion - the very opposite to the Dharmic concept of brotherhood, irrespective of allegiance to God.
3. Sanskrit is certainly a very Indian language and by Savarkar's open defintion Hindu too. But I don't think a language can be bound by narrow definitions of Weltangschaung. But then - going by Savarkar's broad definition of the origins of Sanskrit - claiming it to be Hindu(Indic) is not wrong. Please quote a reference for this please, simply because I don't know much about it
Besides Urdu is certainly an Indian language as well. I like Urdu as well
4. According to Savarkar, as far as my limited knowledge goes - never stated that Muslims should remain subservient to Hindus. Please elaborate where and how he meant that - then we can proceed
@scorpionx - Yes please move it there - I will be grateful
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