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[Vergennes]

got the link for the video?

im fine got the sniffles or as call it man flu.

Ok,hope everything is allright.

 

[ashok321]

@waz
@WebMaster

Respected seniors, I once again fell victim to a well thought of and planned intricate conspiracy here spearheaded by a Saffronist, right winger & a Modi lover @ MilSpec who does not like my views on him.

The fellow is hard on my heels, despite being ignored by me, following each of my post and scrutinizing it for possible abuse. (not in the case of other Indians though)

Today, this usual suspect, (who gave me couple of negatives before which justifiably got reversed on its merit by higher authorities like you) gave me one more negative despite no clearcut violation as such.

Here is the targeted post of mine:

China stops Indian pilgrims from travelling to Kailash Mansarovar; reason unclear

This post does not contain any profanity = a non dictionary word.

The word that I used (bhencho) is known for Rajagiri. Not ********.

However, after exactly 13 minutes, someone (Indian flag) posted a clear cut post with the exact dictionary wording of profane nature which does violated the PDF norms on negatives.

And the poster went scot-free, why?
Because he is a pro Modi character.

Here it is:

On this @ MilSpec can not say that he did not see it (while he was there) because ignorance is no defense.

I have cautioned the management earlier by saying that these Hindutva brigade is conspiring and ganging up against me on this with sinister agenda.

It is a clear cut case of a mis-use by not using the same yardstick for everyone.
Its a case of prejudice and discrimination. Period.

All the grudge & grievances are reserved against me. Not for other Modi followers who are ideologically right wingers, which unmistakably are left alone by this man >>>> @ MilSpec

Why is he throwing caution to winds for not exercising his job prudently, thereby prosecuting PDF members without adequate reasons?

Please restore my previous rating.

Thanks

Ashok321

Later addition:

Following post is crying for negative, but some right wingers are blind selectively.

Chinese army says Indian soldiers crossed border; stopped Chinese road construction

Chinese army says Indian soldiers crossed border; stopped Chinese road construction

 

[Nilgiri]

at this ashok character. What a princess. Suck it up ya false flagging douche.

Obv an attention whore as well posting it here instead of GHQ.

 

[Desert Fox]

He had a good discussion with Dennis Prager about the same subject. Worth watching.

He makes good points...but the way I see it we may have hit an unstoppable descent into this notion that full perceptive based, materialist driven ideology is the only worthy direction for the human species instead of intuitive based, moral driven ideologies of before. The sheeple conveniently point to "science" and "equality" without being able to carry a conversation/debate past those monikers.

Simply may be entropy taking root (as part of an inherent universal fatalist force).....leftism afterall seeks to make everything a totally homogeneous congealed mass of utter mediocrity or worse...it has just shifted from impulsive transition (authoritarian communism) to a more gradual one (democratic/populist socialism). Socrates was correct, the idiots, cowards and sloths will inevitably win in a democracy....because their political power is expanded several fold over (and exploits their larger natural presence in number) what it would be in a fully moral based, merit based system.

We had a decent run I think (dunno how other "intelligent" life forms have fared tbh)....and maybe the resistance can yet overturn this flood (past delaying it)...but I am not optimistic about it now....but internally I do have faith something will work out....or that I am just completely wrong and there is some silver lining and end-strength and cherished truth to the way things are headed right now. Would like to be able to somehow see how it turns out...but maybe its ultimately irrelevant anyway.

Well said. Precisely how I see it as well. What is today Western "Civilization" is certainly headed in an irreversible decline and this is mostly due to the abundance of decadence of individualism and abandonment of traditional moral values and the pursuit of fulfilling a higher purpose which at one time characterized Western man. I believe this was the result of a deliberate attempt of various social revolutions to destroy traditional spiritual & moral structures of Western societies to weaken them.

But like you I too see a silver lining in the form of the various new movements arising all across the West with their revolutionary idealism which has no counterpart in any of the current mainstream political parties either on the left or the right, and rather have more in common with the idealistic movements of 20th century Europe but unlike the latter these might actually have a chance to fully sprout and evolve.

But I doubt these movements will have a chance to gain power within the current power dynamics and Trump's election has kinda proven this that in the end no matter how good of a person you get into office there will be someone else behind the scenes calling the shots.

And yes, democracy is the great "equalizer". It equalizes the worth of a buffoon to that of a genius, a coward to that of a hero, a thief to that of an honest man. It's no wonder commies/leftists are big on democracy. Most people in any given population are not fit to influence important decision making, and this is only natural as qualified leaders can only be a few.

 

[ashok321]

Obama and family go river rafting on holiday in Indonesia:

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

He had a good discussion with Dennis Prager about the same subject. Worth watching.

He makes good points...but the way I see it we may have hit an unstoppable descent into this notion that full perceptive based, materialist driven ideology is the only worthy direction for the human species instead of intuitive based, moral driven ideologies of before. The sheeple conveniently point to "science" and "equality" without being able to carry a conversation/debate past those monikers.

Simply may be entropy taking root (as part of an inherent universal fatalist force).....leftism afterall seeks to make everything a totally homogeneous congealed mass of utter mediocrity or worse...it has just shifted from impulsive transition (authoritarian communism) to a more gradual one (democratic/populist socialism). Socrates was correct, the idiots, cowards and sloths will inevitably win in a democracy....because their political power is expanded several fold over (and exploits their larger natural presence in number) what it would be in a fully moral based, merit based system.

We had a decent run I think (dunno how other "intelligent" life forms have fared tbh)....and maybe the resistance can yet overturn this flood (past delaying it)...but I am not optimistic about it now....but internally I do have faith something will work out....or that I am just completely wrong and there is some silver lining and end-strength and cherished truth to the way things are headed right now. Would like to be able to somehow see how it turns out...but maybe its ultimately irrelevant anyway.

This is something that is churning my head for quite sometime and it grew stronger after hearing views of like of Taleb on religion. What my --admittedly naive-- understanding of religion is this :

Religion = An Explaination of how humans arrived ie who made them and their history in this world (first part) + An ethical and moral standard that humans are supposed to follow (second part) + A brief revelation in terms of what will happen in future with those who follow and those who do not follow (third part).

The first and the second parts are often supernatural in description and look fantastic. The real meat of religion is the second part. Most of the liberal and intellects attack the first and the third part while decrying the second part as deplorable, unequal, exploitive, primitive and what not.

The issue with this is -- as this gentleman very aptly put -- it takes the root out of a HUGE tree. The supernatural first part is what gives the authority to the second part. Function of the third part is that of leaves in the tree, that is to let the entire 'system' grow. By attacking first and second part the liberals make the entire tree of religion fall on its own weight. The middle stem of morality and ethics then simply do not stand chance and they are often subjected to relativism ie who the hell any authority is to say how should folks act! Its all relative.

Funny part is, the intellectuals of this world or rather those whom likes of Taleb called 'IYI' -- Intellectual Yet Idiotic are so much bogged down by the supernatural aspect of first and third part that they forget to see the entire picture of the tree and they end up attacking what should have been protected. Listen to Dawkins sometime, his biggest problem with faith is that of supernatural portions. They are so mechanical in attacking the supernatural parts that they fail to realise what role does it play in the whole tree of religion.

As almost all the people of a certain age know; religion is NOT ONLY a written text of supernatural stories but it is more of a practice. A practice of living and forming society in an uncertain and unknown world. The key phrase for religion is 'practicing follower'. Most of those who practices today religion knows that you do not burn widows on husband pyres or behead a guy because he disrespected your God. They are more concerned with living a life within a certain moral or ethical framework, in a world which is basically uncertain or not properly understood. Supernatural parts provide rationalization for supporting those morals and ethics.

When you remove those supernatural parts, those rituals etc etc, you also deprive the morals and ethics of the society based on those of any authority. And then anyone can force any moral, morals that are so messed up that most will find it revolting and only few will profit from it. Morals which allow private individual to profit from taking risk on a whole country while keeping upside to them and democratizing the downside.

..... Bloody hell, I think I am ranting too much now.... Sorry folks.

 

[Sky lord]

This is something that is churning my head for quite sometime and it grew stronger after hearing views of like of Taleb on religion. What my --admittedly naive-- understanding of religion is this :

Religion = An Explaination of how humans arrived ie who made them and their history in this world (first part) + An ethical and moral standard that humans are supposed to follow (second part) + A brief revelation in terms of what will happen in future with those who follow and those who do not follow (third part).

The first and the second parts are often supernatural in description and look fantastic. The real meat of religion is the second part. Most of the liberal and intellects attack the first and the third part while decrying the second part as deplorable, unequal, exploitive, primitive and what not.

The issue with this is -- as this gentleman very aptly put -- it takes the root out of a HUGE tree. The supernatural first part is what gives the authority to the second part. Function of the third part is that of leaves in the tree, that is to let the entire 'system' grow. By attacking first and second part the liberals make the entire tree of religion fall on its own weight. The middle stem of morality and ethics then simply do not stand chance and they are often subjected to relativism ie who the hell any authority is to say how should folks act! Its all relative.

Funny part is, the intellectuals of this world or rather those whom likes of Taleb called 'IYI' -- Intellectual Yet Idiotic are so much bogged down by the supernatural aspect of first and third part that they forget to see the entire picture of the tree and they end up attacking what should have been protected. Listen to Dawkins sometime, his biggest problem with faith is that of supernatural portions. They are so mechanical in attacking the supernatural parts that they fail to realise what role does it play in the whole tree of religion.

As almost all the people of a certain age know; religion is NOT ONLY a written text of supernatural stories but it is more of a practice. A practice of living and forming society in an uncertain and unknown world. The key phrase for religion is 'practicing follower'. Most of those who practices today religion knows that you do not burn widows on husband pyres or behead a guy because he disrespected your God. They are more concerned with living a life within a certain moral or ethical framework, in a world which is basically uncertain or not properly understood. Supernatural parts provide rationalization for supporting those morals and ethics.

When you remove those supernatural parts, those rituals etc etc, you also deprive the morals and ethics of the society based on those of any authority. And then anyone can force any moral, morals that are so messed up that most will find it revolting and only few will profit from it. Morals which allow private individual to profit from taking risk on a I will leave whole country while keeping upside to them and democratizing the downside.

..... Bloody hell, I think I am ranting too much now.... Sorry folks.

I will leave it to @Nilgiri who is much smarter than me to answer the question.

I have one thing to add though

There is much scientific evidence that much of our "morality" is hard wired into our DNA. so it is not possible for anyone to impose "bad" morality on us. We evolved over the millennia to be what we are.

There was a very interesting fairly recent study on altruism and the evolutionary advantage of altruism. Why groups where some animals voluntarily sacrifice themselves for the greater good of their society have a better chance of surviving and how that gene stays in the gene pool despite the fact that the sacrificed animal is not able to pass it own to his progeny.

irreligious people do not go around murdering others simply because they no longer believe in hell or karma or whatever. Our behaviors have been hard wired into us and will not change much whether we give up religious practices or not.

 

[Nilgiri]

Well said. Precisely how I see it as well. What is today Western "Civilization" is certainly headed in an irreversible decline and this is mostly due to the abundance of decadence of individualism and abandonment of traditional moral values and the pursuit of fulfilling a higher purpose which at one time characterized Western man. I believe this was the result of a deliberate attempt of various social revolutions to destroy traditional spiritual & moral structures of Western societies to weaken them.

But like you I too see a silver lining in the form of the various new movements arising all across the West with their revolutionary idealism which has no counterpart in any of the current mainstream political parties either on the left or the right, and rather have more in common with the idealistic movements of 20th century Europe but unlike the latter these might actually have a chance to fully sprout and evolve.

But I doubt these movements will have a chance to gain power within the current power dynamics and Trump's election has kinda proven this that in the end no matter how good of a person you get into office there will be someone else behind the scenes calling the shots.

And yes, democracy is the great "equalizer". It equalizes the worth of a buffoon to that of a genius, a coward to that of a hero, a thief to that of an honest man. It's no wonder commies/leftists are big on democracy. Most people in any given population are not fit to influence important decision making, and this is only natural as qualified leaders can only be a few.

Actually recently I talked with a hardcore leftist (he overheard me discussing Trump etc with a friend of mine while we were at a park). He gave me the usual spiel, but I eventually (when he let me respond) gave him something big to chew on. If you want absolute enforcement of "equality", why is it not seen fundamentally in the Universe? Why do stars from the vast clouds of gas form? Why cannot the whole gas cloud turn perfectly and entirely into a star or just stay a gas cloud if it cannot? The exact same is seen in the matter/anti-matter hypothesis (there had to be unequal amounts for one to prevail and creation to unfold) and the dissonance of element prevalence (say universal vs local earth). Thus you are only here talking to me because of inequality (without star formation and these other massive inherited and natural inequalities....there would be no observable universe as we know it, much less life). Over time as stars die and the universe itself becomes purely homogeneous (entropy, expansion winning over gravity etc), there will be literally nothing to see and nothing to live for....you are telling me there is no parallel with this microcosm we find here? He had no answer....guess it wasn't talked about in Das Kapital.

 

[Nilgiri]

irreligious people do not go around murdering others simply because they no longer believe in hell or karma or whatever. Our behaviors have been hard wired into us and will not change much whether we give up religious practices or not.

Its more nuanced than that. When we have no absolute morals, when everything is relative, it becomes that much easier for vast swathes to be controlled by people in positions of power (who simply fluidly change those now relative morals to augment and maintain their own power/control).

When that which we owe ultimate fealty to, cannot be touched by any human or even natural/physical/tangible phenomena...when that concept exists in our hearts and minds as a society...it will always be a bedrock and shield against those human forces that seek that fealty for themselves (for their own purposes - ironically with the promise of it being for everyone but them).

Things as extreme as murder constitute very little (given its clear extreme) of what truly degenerates a society and makes it more pliable and controllable in the long run. Its always that gooey middle stuff, the "grey" areas that make up our existence that carry the most philosophical inertia and mass....thats what is in massive flux (more than at any point in human history) and perceived by many (incl me) to be deteriorating quite rapidly now.

When we lose what we have always used to carry us this far....we better have a darn good replacement for it...and people like Stefan, @Desert Fox , I and others simply don't see it (and what's growing instead is quite abhorrent to a lot of us too).

 

[Zibago]

Ab daikha meney
@The Sandman @Hell hound @Moonlight @Divergent1 @django @Arsalan

 

[Deidara]

Pakistanis look like a deluded people to me on evidence of one thing. I've scorned dozens of the best girls this country had to offer in the past 12 years. This behaviour implied that they were not good enough for me in the circumstances which required solitude. But people assume that a loner like me will be desperate for ladyparts. LOL.
If only it werent for the broken dreams of cute Pakistani girls.

 

[Divergent]

I have a major sore throat, any tips on how to cure it. I hate going doctors

 

[Desert Fox]

Actually recently I talked with a hardcore leftist (he overheard me discussing Trump etc with a friend of mine while we were at a park). He gave me the usual spiel, but I eventually (when he let me respond) gave him something big to chew on. If you want absolute enforcement of "equality", why is it not seen fundamentally in the Universe? Why do stars from the vast clouds of gas form? Why cannot the whole gas cloud turn perfectly and entirely into a star or just stay a gas cloud if it cannot? The exact same is seen in the matter/anti-matter hypothesis (there had to be unequal amounts for one to prevail and creation to unfold) and the dissonance of element prevalence (say universal vs local earth). Thus you are only here talking to me because of inequality (without star formation and these other massive inherited and natural inequalities....there would be no observable universe as we know it, much less life). Over time as stars die and the universe itself becomes purely homogeneous (entropy, expansion winning over gravity etc), there will be literally nothing to see and nothing to live for....you are telling me there is no parallel with this microcosm we find here? He had no answer....guess it wasn't talked about in Das Kapital.

That is great way to explain it because no one can deny that the universe and nature are hierarchical and thus unequal. Even if one does not believe in inequality because their university professor indoctrinated them to believe otherwise, but intrinsically they know it to be true, which is why that Leftist had no rebuttal to your explanation. That was probably his red pill moment (hopefully).

Honestly I never understood the appeal of Leftist ideologies.

Its more nuanced than that. When we have no absolute morals, when everything is relative, it becomes that much easier for vast swathes to be controlled by people in positions of power (who simply fluidly change those now relative morals to augment and maintain their own power/control).

When that which we owe ultimate fealty to, cannot be touched by any human or even natural/physical/tangible phenomena...when that concept exists in our hearts and minds as a society...it will always be a bedrock and shield against those human forces that seek that fealty for themselves (for their own purposes - ironically with the promise of it being for everyone but them).

Things as extreme as murder constitute very little (given its clear extreme) of what truly degenerates a society and makes it more pliable and controllable in the long run. Its always that gooey middle stuff, the "grey" areas that make up our existence that carry the most philosophical inertia and mass....thats what is in massive flux (more than at any point in human history) and perceived by many (incl me) to be deteriorating quite rapidly now.

When we lose what we have always used to carry us this far....we better have a darn good replacement for it...and people like Stefan, @Desert Fox , I and others simply don't see it (and what's growing instead is quite abhorrent to a lot of us too).

Exactly! This is why I believe major societal institutions like religion, the family, marriage, sexual morality, etc were specifically targeted in Western countries because certain people benefit from this at the expense of the well being of the rest of the people. The reason why I'm always referring to the West is because, let's be honest, most of the world follows the West. The West leads the rest of the world in terms of cultural influence. Whatever happens in the West eventually trickles down to other countries. This has alot to do with Hollywood too. The West has the highest divorce rate and single parent households but this same pattern is developing worldwide even in countries that aren't industrialized like Pakistan where the divorce rate, though nowhere as bad as any Western country, is steadily increasing.

A while ago I listened to an interesting podcast about the destructive influence of Hollywood and how major Hollywood production companies partnered up with Bollywood but this began the phase of hypersexualization of Bollywood which, and I wouldn't be shocked, could be the cause of a greater portion of the rape of women in India and also other countries.

Btw I saw the post you tagged me in on the US politics thread but I can't comment there because I'm still banned. Lol I can't even like a post on that thread.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

I have a major sore throat, any tips on how to cure it. I hate going doctors

Saline gargles with warm water works wonder. A bit of turmeric suspended in water, taken at night helps too -- it tastes aweful but acts as a mild antibiotic.

 

[Desert Fox]

Its more nuanced than that. When we have no absolute morals, when everything is relative, it becomes that much easier for vast swathes to be controlled by people in positions of power (who simply fluidly change those now relative morals to augment and maintain their own power/control).

When that which we owe ultimate fealty to, cannot be touched by any human or even natural/physical/tangible phenomena...when that concept exists in our hearts and minds as a society...it will always be a bedrock and shield against those human forces that seek that fealty for themselves (for their own purposes - ironically with the promise of it being for everyone but them).

Things as extreme as murder constitute very little (given its clear extreme) of what truly degenerates a society and makes it more pliable and controllable in the long run. Its always that gooey middle stuff, the "grey" areas that make up our existence that carry the most philosophical inertia and mass....thats what is in massive flux (more than at any point in human history) and perceived by many (incl me) to be deteriorating quite rapidly now.

When we lose what we have always used to carry us this far....we better have a darn good replacement for it...and people like Stefan, @Desert Fox , I and others simply don't see it (and what's growing instead is quite abhorrent to a lot of us too).

@EndangeredSpecies @Psychic @The Sand

This reminded me of this quote from a rather famous (or should I say "infamous" )book

"It would be unthinkable to live in a world
without religious faith. The broad masses of a people are not made up of philosophers, so the faith of the masses is often the sole foundation for any moral World-Concept they may have. The various proposed substitutes have not shown any results that would indicate they could be useful replacements for religious denominations. But if any religious-type teachings are actually to take hold of the broad groups, as they successfully have in the past, the basic teachings of existing religion would be a necessary foundation in order for a new teaching to be effective.

There may be a few hundreds of thousands of superior men who can live wisely and morally without depending on the general standards of religion, but the millions of others cannot do so and need daily guidance.

The way people live ordinary life, by
following religious principles, can be compared to the way governments follow principles of the state and Churches follow their own dogma. The purely intellectual idea of how one should conduct oneself can change and may be reinterpreted endlessly. It is the religious doctrine alone which binds the idea and puts it into a form that makes it a faith. Otherwise, the moral idea would never grow beyond the status of an abstract concept or a philosophic opinion (aka moral relativism). Accordingly, the attack on a religious doctrine is very similar to an attack against the constitution that founded the State. Just as the State would fall into chaos from such an attack, so would religion become worthless and end in emptiness with the annihilation of the core church beliefs.

A politician must not judge the value of a religion by its faults. Instead he should ask if there is an available substitute which fits his needs more closely.

As long as there is no substitute for religion, only a fool or criminal would consider
abolishing an existing religion.

The Church must take its share of responsibility for those who overload religion with purely earthly concerns and unnecessarily battle against exact science. They spend too much time arguing about physical matters when they should be focused on the spirit. After a difficult struggle, science will almost always win. In the eyes of people unable to see through the superficial nature of science, religion will be severely damaged. The worst chaos is created when religion is used for political purposes. Such miserable deceivers who see religion as a means for gaining themselves political, or rather business
power and should be harshly condemned." - Mein Kampf