What would China be like today if the Nationalists had won the Chinese Civil War?

[gambit]

What physical evidence lol? You want physical evidence, look at photographs of Shanghai vs. Taipei. Look at the infrastructure. Look at Nature or Science publications. Look at how many satellites are in space (this is an easy one). Look at Taiwan's Navy which still uses some WW2 era ships.

In 1971 China had not undergone market reforms. China didn't do business. Yet almost all the industrialized capitalist countries, as well as all of the more advanced socialist countries, voted in favor of the PRC. Almost all countries that voted against the PRC were destitute 3rd world dictatorships.

That is a pathetic argument. You are comparing what China did today with what Taiwan accomplished yesterday ? But of course you must. You have nothing else.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Fine...Then do not even imply that it was political incompetence that other countries politically distanced themselves from Taiwan. Admit that it was nothing more than politically bullying by mainland China.

What matters are the results.

And it was incompetence, why do you think Chen Shui-bian was jailed?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

All anti-China trolls came here to defend KMT, do I need to say more?

Of course, all anti-China trolls love a weak China and hate a strong China.

 

[gambit]

Your comparison is not valid since the KMT and CCP leadership period has different contexts, vastly different contexts. How can you compare the KMT’s period before 1949 to the CCP period post-1978? like I said, there was the internal civil war and the war against the Imperial Army so its not even fair to compare the economic growth, infant mortality, lifespan and other social indicators between the KMT period and the period post-1949, where the IJA had already surrendered.

The main question of this thread was, what would China look like if KMT was in control? i.e. what would it look like if thw KMT still controlled mainland China post-1949. And I’ll remind you my point was this: this KMT China would not go through the Cultural Revolution and it would integrate itself economically with the west much earlier than the CCP did.

If we agree that the Cultural Revolution was bad for the development of China and that integrating economically with the West was essential for development, then I conclude that the KMT would be better for mainland China on these 2 points.

Very good, sir.

 

[Hyperion]

China's size would be that of England + Scotland, and would've been as corrupt as Italy + Pakistan and India combined!

The obvious answer is probably something like Taiwan. Yet would the Nationalists have to reform and adopt democracy with a much wider base of money and resources to finance their rule? How would the Cold War play out? Without Mao, the Cultural Revolution, The Great Leap, would China be worse off, better, or bizzarely and unrecognizably different?


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[ChineseTiger1986]

China's size would be that of the England + Scotland, and would've been as corrupt as Italy + Pakistan and India combined!

The ROC is the China in their (anti-China trolls) dream.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

China's size would be that of England + Scotland, and would've been as corrupt as Italy + Pakistan and India combined!

You jest, but I think that is actually very possible.

There is no limit to the failure of the KMT.

 

[zeronet]

i don't trumpet for ccp, honestly KMT was a much better choice.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You jest, but I think that is actually very possible.

There is no limit to the failure of the KMT.

The China that got run down by Japan was the ROC.

The China that makes Japan looks like a little puppy is the PRC.

Tell me, if you are a Japanese, which China you would prefer?

And Nihonjin believes that we the Chinese posters are all retarded for not knowing what he truly thinks?

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

All anti-China trolls came here to defend KMT, do I need to say more?

Of course, all anti-China trolls love a weak China and hate a strong China.

What a bloody truth.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

All anti-China trolls came here to defend KMT, do I need to say more?

Of course, all anti-China trolls love a weak China and hate a strong China.

This post is all we need to know.

Basically anyone here who is pro-China is pro-CPC.

And all the foreigners who are anti-China are pro-KMT.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

i don't trumpet for ccp, honestly KMT was a much better choice.

Because you are just a young boy who got brainwashed by the KMT propaganda.

But the time will prove that you were wrong.

 

[gambit]

What matters are the results.

You guys thinks -- like sheeps -- that since the way China turned out today, whatever happened yesterday were necessary. In that case, have the courage to say for the record that the Great Famine and the bloody Cultural Revolution were necessary to condition the Chinese people to accept the CPC's leadership.

But if you do not think so, then you opened wide the door for the possibility that there were alternatives to the CPC that could make China the way she is today, and perhaps even better. And that possibility, which is the point of this thread, you do not like.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This post is all we need to know.

Basically anyone here who is pro-China is pro-CPC.

And all the foreigners who are anti-China are pro-KMT.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

The KMT's China is always a paradise for the foreigners, but the hell for the Chinese people.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Your comparison is not valid since The KMT and CCP leadership period has different contexts, vastly different contexts. How can you compare the KMT’s period before 1949 to the CCP period post-1978? like I said, there was the internal civil war and the war against the Imperial Army so its not even fair to compare the economic growth, infant mortality, lifespan and other social indicators between the KMT period and the period post-1949, where the IJA had already surrendered.

The main question of this thread was, what would China look like if KMT was in control? i.e. what would it look like if thw KMT still controlled mainland China post-1949. And I’ll remind you my point was this: this KMT China would not go through the Cultural Revolution and it would integrate itself economically with the west much earlier than the CCP did.

If we agree that the Cultural Revolution was bad for the development of China and that integrating economically with the West was essential for development, then I conclude that the KMT would be better for mainland China on these 2 points.

You focus on the Cultural Revolution. But what about the industrialization drive of the 1950's and early 1960's that resulted in the nuclear, space and naval programs? What about the mass education and sanitation programs that were carried out by mobilized volunteers, which vastly improved literacy and healthcare? The KMT could not have carried these programs out, since they did not have the ability to organize the population. This was already proven by their past track record; Chiang Kai Shek was even kidnapped by his own generals during the Xi'an incident.

KMT had already integrated with the west in 1920's. They failed to extract any benefit whatsoever from that relationship. I don't get why you are so fixated with integration with the West. Even today China isn't really integrated with the West; we have different standards in things ranging from telecom to food labeling that aren't changing any time soon while Taiwan has copied the US down to a tee yet mainland China is surging ahead while Taiwan is stagnating. Coastal Chinese cities already have equal or higher GDP per capita than Taiwan.