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The only Sheila that counts is the one that sticks with you through thick and thin, bro. Baqi, do char dina da ae mela duniya fir matti di dheri.
Keep telling yourself that kid the sheila that you want haunts you for life you keep thinking what if there was a happy ending?
Even if you get 30 sheilas after her that old feeling doesnot letting go aint as easy as some say
 
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Keep telling yourself that kid the sheila that you want haunts you for life you keep thinking what if there was a happy ending?
Even if you get 30 sheilas after her that old feeling doesnot letting go aint as easy as some say

I know what you're saying, just trying to be upbeat!

It's not easy to forget someone, but time does heal eventually.
 
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And that is how PDF lost PM facilities for its general members.
That's really sad I always wanted that .

I think the main problem with PDF is moderation team not able to give enough time or the need for more moderators. If you have suggestions for people that fit the moderator criteria please let us know in the GHQ section. Better moderation = increased quality.
Many mods arent active on pdf anymore or get online for a very little time.
I suggest you to revamp Mods and Senior mods from point zero.
 
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Keep telling yourself that kid the sheila that you want haunts you for life you keep thinking what if there was a happy ending?
Even if you get 30 sheilas after her that old feeling doesnot letting go aint as easy as some say
If you keep thinking,''what if'',it means you're not happy with this Sheila,im sure you are comparing them in your mind(from time to time).
My advice as a man with real experience on Sheila's,:azn::azn::azn:
When something is finished,its over,move on and never think about it again.
If something didnt happen,it wasnt meant to be.
This overthinking will efect every facet of your life(in a negative way).
Forget her.
 
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@jbgt90 will bear me out on this, and I feel we differ fundamentally with @Joe Shearer 's read onthis in that the sanghis are actually quite ambivalent towards you guys. Of course, as with everything else in life, things are subjective.

Their venom has mainly today and during this term and always since the inception of their toxic ideology always been directed within.

If you know your history you will know their contribution to the freedom struggle. A big zero if not outright whiners and collaborators.

Trust me when I tell you that they are the mirror saffron opposites of your Islamists.

And they are trying to drive our country in the same direction.

Who are your Islamists attacking? Us? Or you?

Same equation here.

Look deeper ....

Cheers, Doc
There is a bit of history in that with the Brits, and to avoid derailment but to drop a hint for notes on a “future” discussion.
I have read books and some articles on ghe google search rabbit hole by the Shah or someone’s biography on him, some Pakistani bureaucrats and ex-CIA on the Brits using religious leadership as their primary target for “agents” and moles.
Multiple well known Mullahs in Iran during the Shah and then as recently in FATA were found with their foreskin still attached, “Aryan” Pundits calling the sacredness of dharm but then enjoying their beef and pork as well.
I am 80% convinced that the religious fanatics back during partition and after have a lot of external input.
 
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Him and I goes a way back on an earlier forum. Sure miss his presence...but he just got tired of the incessant attacks on him...when he was simply giving the most neutral perspective he could.

The damage some ppl do, without much effort, to forum gems is just monstrous.

<ahem>

Point noted.

Ignore the heathen, O Shining Light of the Forum, for they know not what they do. I watched you interlocute ('conversation', 'discussion', 'dialogue', 'talk to' none of them cut it) with racists who find nothing in common with south Asians, but total identity with other Pakistanis with heart in mouth. Much the same feeling as on watching a beloved neighbourhood diplodocus dancing the polka right next to a tar-pool. Long may your non-ungulated toes twinkle.

Keep telling yourself that kid the sheila that you want haunts you for life you keep thinking what if there was a happy ending?
Even if you get 30 sheilas after her that old feeling doesnot letting go aint as easy as some say

Move on, Bud. Take it from me, 'that old feeling' just screws you up and screws up people around you, whom you shouldn't be screwing up. Note that I'm not calling you 'kid'; this is serious.

I know what you're saying, just trying to be upbeat!

It's not easy to forget someone, but time does heal eventually.

It doesn't; you learn to cope.

If you keep thinking,''what if'',it means you're not happy with this Sheila,im sure you are comparing them in your mind(from time to time).
My advice as a man with real experience on Sheila's,:azn::azn::azn:
When something is finished,its over,move on and never think about it again.
If something didnt happen,it wasnt meant to be.
This overthinking will efect every facet of your life(in a negative way).
Forget her.

<sigh!>

So right. Such good advice, and so difficult to do.
 
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Ignore the heathen, O Shining Light of the Forum, for they know not what they do. I watched you interlocute ('conversation', 'discussion', 'dialogue', 'talk to' none of them cut it) with racists who find nothing in common with south Asians, but total identity with other Pakistanis with heart in mouth. Much the same feeling as on watching a beloved neighbourhood diplodocus dancing the polka right next to a tar-pool. Long may your non-ungulated toes twinkle.

Hehe...its all about learning in the end (this somewhat delicate dance of mine)...as much of the human experience as possible (flaws and all). I find it all so very fascinating... it would probably not surprise you some of the depths and heights I've been to (in other places), just to check on the extremities....so I may be better prepared to deal with them if they ever do come my way more physically....one of the worst things one can do is pretend they have some infinitesimal and totally isolated presence and reach....if its one thing history has taught me as a pragmatic, real world applicable lesson...its that.

Makes me remember what a friend of mine told me a long time ago..."how do you recognise an extremist?.... Oh they pretend to love their country...but hate 99% of the people in it."

So yes I do my little dance and tiptoe here...smoke and mirrors where needed...might as well while the willing specimens are only too eager to indulge. In the end I got to be a little greedy and self serving to some level on some stuff (of personal interest past the pure facts) you see...this forum is not something I control or even influence for some higher platonic plane...so I gotta be picky and discerning on what I get from it, and what I give to it :) ...there is a whole world outside it we all have to live in best we can.

@padamchen
 
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There is a bit of history in that with the Brits, and to avoid derailment but to drop a hint for notes on a “future” discussion.
I have read books and some articles on ghe google search rabbit hole by the Shah or someone’s biography on him, some Pakistani bureaucrats and ex-CIA on the Brits using religious leadership as their primary target for “agents” and moles.
Multiple well known Mullahs in Iran during the Shah and then as recently in FATA were found with their foreskin still attached, “Aryan” Pundits calling the sacredness of dharm but then enjoying their beef and pork as well.
I am 80% convinced that the religious fanatics back during partition and after have a lot of external input.

This would make a wonderful topic for discussion, if somebody like you were to lead the discussion.

[For the rest of my comment, it is regrettable that the instinct of self-preservation sometimes favours bad style. Life is an eternal compromise, and we never cease apologising for that for which we are ourselves responsible.]

Comment on this is possible only with respect to the Hindutva fanatics, who were incidentally NOT Hindu fanatics. To a man, they derived their ideology (they had no theology worth the name, one charlatan even proclaimed that he was an atheist) from western sources, dimly understood and distorted in the acquiring. Even more pernicious than the conscious efforts of the ubiquitous minions in the IB were the unconscious influences of the pretty rotten set of 'intellectuals' who infested the culture of the 'west' in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, the Houston Chamberlains and de Gobineaus and Cosima Wagners.

Some members here, I regret to have to remind you, apparently go around with a second carbon copy of such views.

Comment on eminences who got their philosophy disastrously wrong, but were reputed to be the shining light and guiding beacon for an entire country, is, in contrast, not possible, without the imminent prospect of execution by a joint Indian and Pakistani delegation. This particular instance was not an injected case; it was a spontaneous, self-inflicted case.

Comment on the failure to circumcise being a cultural failure and a poor absorption of a conquerors' religion might lead to a compounding of the previous offence and a similar abbreviation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, in spite of the phenomenon being entirely identical in nature though not in content.

Finally, some of the secular proselytisers are already 'known to the police'. The elder Philby, for instance; our own little industrious T. E. Shaw of Arabia and Karachi who forever sought to make up on his motor-cycle what nature had denied in his inches (the reference is to the length of his trousers, as ought to be obvious). There are many others.
 
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Part of the problem with technical discussions is that how quickly they disintegrate into vicious India vs Pakistan vitriol.

Both sides are to blame here. For one, the Indian members, at this point, should know not to drag in a comparison with anything Indian (on Pakistani threads) or Pakistani (on Indian threads). For example, if there's a thread on a new motorcycle design in Pakistan, there's a bunch of posts with pictures of Indian motorcycles. The subtext is obvious to most Pakistani members, even if not explicitly stated by the Indian members.

The same occurs with Pakistani members - there's no need to respond to someone dragging India into a comparison, report the post and ignore it. There's also no need for Pakistanis members to drag India into a discussion (mocking the LCA on a thread talking about developments in the JF-17 for example).

Also, going forward, Pakistani members should understand that I will have ZERO tolerance towards comments such as 'Baniya', insults towards ANY religion etc. Those who might recall my position as moderator in the past should already know where I stand on this.

Finally, if we are to start improving the forum, we REALLY need the senior members on both sides to step back and start from a clean slate. I understand years of dealing with vitriol and attacks from the other side have disillusioned many, but try and resist the urge to engage in a sarcastic response or button pushing. Many of us are genuinely interested in civil debate and sarcastic one liners and derogatory generalizations (regardless of how well hidden) are just a recipe for further poisoning of the atmosphere.

Nice post Agno. Happy that you will be a mod here.

But seriously man as hardcore biker long long before I was a forumer or PDF was born, your bikes are so 1980 man. :lol:

@VCheng disagrees though.

Cheers, Doc

There is a bit of history in that with the Brits, and to avoid derailment but to drop a hint for notes on a “future” discussion.
I have read books and some articles on ghe google search rabbit hole by the Shah or someone’s biography on him, some Pakistani bureaucrats and ex-CIA on the Brits using religious leadership as their primary target for “agents” and moles.
Multiple well known Mullahs in Iran during the Shah and then as recently in FATA were found with their foreskin still attached, “Aryan” Pundits calling the sacredness of dharm but then enjoying their beef and pork as well.
I am 80% convinced that the religious fanatics back during partition and after have a lot of external input.

Long long before partition.

My last post here on the subject but there was a thread I had started a long time ago about how Buddhism was killed in the land of its birth. Which touched upon the implicit understanding between the Brahmin clergy and the Muslim invaders.

Needless to add it created a shitstorm among the many sanghis still here in those days. Which was the mission.

Cheers, Doc

Hehe...its all about learning in the end (this somewhat delicate dance of mine)...as much of the human experience as possible (flaws and all). I find it all so very fascinating... it would probably not surprise you some of the depths and heights I've been to (in other places), just to check on the extremities....so I may be better prepared to deal with them if they ever do come my way more physically....one of the worst things one can do is pretend they have some infinitesimal and totally isolated presence and reach....if its one thing history has taught me as a pragmatic, real world applicable lesson...its that.

Makes me remember what a friend of mine told me a long time ago..."how do you recognise an extremist?.... Oh they pretend to love their country...but hate 99% of the people in it."

So yes I do my little dance and tiptoe here...smoke and mirrors where needed...might as well while the willing specimens are only too eager to indulge. In the end I got to be a little greedy and self serving to some level on some stuff (of personal interest past the pure facts) you see...this forum is not something I control or even influence for some higher platonic plane...so I gotta be picky and discerning on what I get from it, and what I give to it :) ...there is a whole world outside it we all have to live in best we can.

@padamchen

It all went over my head.

I'm just a farmboy here to have fun.

And learn.

And world peace.

Cheers, Doc
 
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<ahem>

Point noted.

Ignore the heathen, O Shining Light of the Forum, for they know not what they do. I watched you interlocute ('conversation', 'discussion', 'dialogue', 'talk to' none of them cut it) with racists who find nothing in common with south Asians, but total identity with other Pakistanis with heart in mouth. Much the same feeling as on watching a beloved neighbourhood diplodocus dancing the polka right next to a tar-pool. Long may your non-ungulated toes twinkle.



Move on, Bud. Take it from me, 'that old feeling' just screws you up and screws up people around you, whom you shouldn't be screwing up. Note that I'm not calling you 'kid'; this is serious.



It doesn't; you learn to cope.



<sigh!>

So right. Such good advice, and so difficult to do.
7 years and three sheilas later its still there albeit in lesser intensity but its there
 
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And rape please.


@jhungary, Also I would like @niaz sir to contribute more. He is absent nowadays.

Thanks for tagging.

I think I am the few who can go along with both Indian Member and Pakistani member in this forum but probably because I am not interested at all with religion so I don't see any importance with both Islam and Hinduism, nor any of the given religion for me.

I joined in 2012, and my only purpose is to discuss technical issue and personal experience with fellow member here, I don't brag about nothing, I don't overhype about anything either, in the early days, I can still find good people to discuss with and have a perfect contribution here, then the troll come in and while I know there are pretty much nothing the mod can do, but still because of that, the whole forum have declined into Sunday market. The insult coming and going, and to a point, I said to myself, what is the point I keep writing technical article when people are more enjoy in mud-slinging and name calling than actual discussion.

And the by-product of these type of member are that they forced out the more approachable member either by quitting themselves or getting ban by baiting troll, and unlike these troll, they don't come back with another account when they are gone. While the troll would just get another account and keep on trolling.

I think we are in an in-road between how and where the forum want to go, if the forum wanted to be more academic and authority, the admin and moderation team need to put the gear back together and weed out the troll, but if number is really that important, then this forum is just going to be one of these weekend hangout place when you come out after a week of work to insult someone on.

For me, I am willing to start writing article again, I never say no to that, but given only if the troll situation is subsided, there are just quite a few mod who were almost always actives, and you cannot moderate the whole form with them only. And if things goes like what it is going to, then I am afraid, you are trading meaningful discussion over user number.
 
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People fail to realize that the Internet is meant to be toxic. Trying to moderate it is futile. :lol:

@AgNoStiC MuSliM

Good luck with your crusade, but you've tried how many times and it always ends up with the same result.
 
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