What is the biggest threat to Pakistan?

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Okay guys please in order of three vote what you consider the biggest threats to Pakistan. I list -

1. Mullahism
2. India
3. Afghanistan

Add the option for "all of the above'

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

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what happened, so stealth not visible to even human eye, I want to see.

So beware.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

IMO, the embedded and crypto RAW/CIA/MOSAD etc. sleepers....

 

[undercover JIX]

So beware.

thanks but universe has nothing to counter.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

thanks but universe has nothing to counter.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

However me and @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan will disagree on starting relations with Israel and its nothing religious for me to be honest plenty of Poor African hell holes have relations with Israel they are not rich what makes you think Pakistan having relations will do anything

Yes, you are right about this my friend.

As a nation founded on the principles of Islam and for the cause of uniting the global Muslim world and, furthermore, presenting the true just nature of Islam devoid of fanaticism (mullahism) or Arab imperialism (salafism/sectarianism,) we very well contain the key to the roots of the problems plaguing the Muslim world.

If we believe that our enemies, be they Zionists, Hindutva zealots, or Western Imperialists, will back off from fighting us because we capitulate to their demands and compromise on our principles, we would be totally wrong.

Just look at history. What was the end of Saddam, Arafat, Gaddafi when they capitulated to their enemies? Did it prevent their destruction?

It’s time to live in the real world and recognize our enemies for who they are. Aggressive Nationalism is key here to
weed out the pseudo-liberal traitors in our midst. Followed immediately by a state sanctioned definition of acceptable and unacceptable practice of Islam, going after homegrown militancy and anti-government radicalism.

The state needs to deal with any threats, external and internal, with an iron fist. In the case of Pakistan, almost all internal problems have foreign hands behind them.

IMO, the embedded and crypto RAW/CIA/MOSAD etc. sleepers....

My thoughts exactly.

I admire the strength of purpose and unity in Turkey of dealing with PKK, Gulen, and other anti-state groups. I also am impressed by the resiliency and loyalty of Iranians to their government. We have much to learn from our Muslim brothers.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Anyway we can only lump lack of female education to mullahism but what about boys not getting education.

Mullahism also impacts general education by reducing value given to temporal knowledge.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

I would go on to say the 1898 Boxer Rebllion was the start of Changes what occured in China, Turkey and China went through a simmlar process both the Qing and Ottomans tried to reform but failed due to the monarchs decadence and clinging to negatives of traditional culture I mean 40 years before Ataturk ablioshed the Ottoman Empire the Ottomans were the first Muslim State to have Democracy and a Parlamient however those were cosmetic, China,and Turkey had to deal with hard truths and pain to get where they are today

I have not seen many foreigner with this depth of knowledge of China’s recent history. Hat off to you! This was indeed a very struggling period for China and I do feel that there are a lot can be learned from that period.

To complement your point about the start of the change, the efforts of modernization have started even earlier, shortly after the conclusion of first Opium war, in which China was soundly defeated by Britain. The reform were carried out by the government elite and were mainly around setting up modern industry and institutions and acquiring technology from the west. Its principle goal was to maintain the strong essence of Chinese civilization while adding superior technology from abroad.

As you pointed out, a couple of key events around 1900 like the disastrous defeat of China by the Japanese, the subsequent Boxer rebellion and subsequent fall of Beijing to the foreign powers proved that the conciliatory reform was simply not enough to revive China. It was in this period that Chinese nationalism developed, along with urgent appeals from elite class for more radical reform.

Yankee trolls got nothing better to do but to fap to Israel while the US is becoming a rusty belt country with mestizos running around lol



The Transformation of Chinese society began way before the Chinese Communists under Mao took over from the Kuomantang(Chinese Nationalist Party) in 1949, the starting turning point was the 1911 Xinhai Revolution when the Qing Dynasty the last dynasty that ruled China fell leading to the Republic of China which was early on was lead by Dr.Sun Yat Sen who proposed Three Principles of the People in which he listed Mínzú(Nationalism),Mínquán(Democracy),
Mínshēng(Welfare of People),anyways the thing was after 1911 and the fall of the monarchy there were radical changes to Chinese society in urban parts but rural parts were still under war lords then you had the CCP form after the USSR inception in 1917 the bloody civil war that followed by Japanese invasion and Russian incursion etc. even under those conditions Dr.Sen successor General Chiang Kai-Shek, did try he his best in modernizing China under the Kuomantang lead Govt however circumstances did not help eventually the CCP would take over once the Japanese left and Civil War resumed again my point is China was already changing well before the 1940s

Great post. Indeed General Chiang Kai-Shek did try he his best in modernizing China under the Kuomantang lead government during 20s and 30s, when further modernization initiatives were carried out. Domestic industry also enjoyed a period of rapid growth with western technology, provided some economical and technological basis for the long war against Japanese invasion.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

As much as I admire Mao and the Current People's Republic of China govt there are times where I wished that Chiang Kai Shek wasnt so incompetent and the Kuomantang was still in power their symbols and uniform plus Blue Sky flag was much better symbol however the Anthem the ROC uses now cant match the March of Voulanteers the anthem used by the PRC now.

In my view, Chinese nationalists and communists in that period are both nationalists and highly patriotic in their core, they shared a common goal which was to save China. The differences were their pathway.

The communist clearly thought that China as a nation as well as a civilization was too sick to be saved by a dose of strong medicine. An inside out revolution in every element was required to completely change Chinese mindset and way of doing things in order to quickly transform it from a backward agrarian country to an industrial one. One can certainly question or criticize their certain policy in hindsight but don’t think one can question their motive.

One wide thought is that should ROC won the civil war and they have been the government to this day, they are going to do the same thing as their communist counterpart ie competing with US in every fields, because they they are nationalists.

The silver lining for me is the uber-athiest Chinese. These Chinese are most rabid money loving people with zero time for mullahism you will ever find. By comparison American's are Islamophiles. As Chinese shadow rises with every billion dollars of loan/investment their ability manipulate Pakistan increases. As they say there is no such thing as free lunch. They [Chinese] will snuff out Mullahism over the long term.

And I will be laughing from upstairs ...

I actually think deep down Chinese are not very materialistic. When the European were sailing around the world after gold and silver, we were busy writing poems, making porcelain and producing landscape paintings. You find Chinese are so money-oriented at the moment is because we are just really poor compared to Europeans and Americans. When Chinese living standards exceed our peers by a large margin, you will see Chinese pick up their old habits of doing art again. We just cannot change it.

And you are right we will see more influence in Pakistan from China simply because it progressively becomes more attractive as a civilization.

 

[Yankee-stani]

In my view, Chinese nationalists and communists in that period are both nationalists and highly patriotic in their core, they shared a common goal which was to save China. The differences were their pathway.

The communist clearly thought that China as a nation as well as a civilization was too sick to be saved by a dose of strong medicine. An inside out revolution in every element was required to completely change Chinese mindset and way of doing things in order to quickly transform it from a backward agrarian country to an industrial one. One can certainly question or criticize their certain policy in hindsight but don’t think one can question their motive.

One wide thought is that should ROC won the civil war and they have been the government to this day, they are going to do the same thing as their communist counterpart ie competing with US in every fields, because they they are nationalists.

You see its hard to support the any side in the Chinese Civil War as both the Kuomantang and CCP wanted whats best for China that's why as a student of history when you look back and cut through the post 1950s Cold War propaganda pushed by Mao and Chiang when they both were ruling Taiwan and China, Chiang and Mao wanted the same thing a Strong,Nationalistic and prosperious China not a weak country with a rich elite who let hostile foreign nations plunder its wealth, the problem was your country was invaded in the 1920s,1930s by Japan had to deal with poverty yet an hostile enemy at the same time

I have not seen many foreigner with this depth of knowledge of China’s recent history. Hat off to you! This was indeed a very struggling period for China and I do feel that there are a lot can be learned from that period.

To complement your point about the start of the change, the efforts of modernization have started even earlier, shortly after the conclusion of first Opium war, in which China was soundly defeated by Britain.

Great post. Indeed General Chiang Kai-Shek did try he his best in modernizing China under the Kuomantang lead government during 20s and 30s, when further modernization initiatives were carried out. Domestic industry also enjoyed a period of rapid growth with western technology, provided some economical and technological basis for the long war against Japanese invasion.

I loved history and geo-politics from a young age that's why the Opium Wars you could say was the starting point but it was mainly the Imperial elite that saw this not your average Chinese person it took another 50 years for the Chinese people to understand what was going on that lead to the Boxer Rebellion, same with the Otttoman's when they lost Greece and parts of the Balkans in the mid 1800s they went through the Tanzimat reforms but this did not trickle down to the Ottoman subjects until like the late 1800s and early 1900s when The Young Turks movement would take foot only the elite and defense forces benefited from such modernization under the Qing and Ottoman's average Qing and Otttoman subjects had to wait for leaders like Dr.Sen,or Ataturk to push ahead

Yes, you are right about this my friend.

As a nation founded on the principles of Islam and for the cause of uniting the global Muslim world and, furthermore, presenting the true just nature of Islam devoid of fanaticism (mullahism) or Arab imperialism (salafism/sectarianism,) we very well contain the key to the roots of the problems plaguing the Muslim world.

If we believe that our enemies, be they Zionists, Hindutva zealots, or Western Imperialists, will back off from fighting us because we capitulate to their demands and compromise on our principles, we would be totally wrong.

Just look at history. What was the end of Saddam, Arafat, Gaddafi when they capitulated to their enemies? Did it prevent their destruction?

It’s time to live in the real world and recognize our enemies for who they are. Aggressive Nationalism is key here to
weed out the pseudo-liberal traitors in our midst. Followed immediately by a state sanctioned definition of acceptable and unacceptable practice of Islam, going after homegrown militancy and anti-government radicalism.

The state needs to deal with any threats, external and internal, with an iron fist. In the case of Pakistan, almost all internal problems have foreign hands behind them.



My thoughts exactly.

I admire the strength of purpose and unity in Turkey of dealing with PKK, Gulen, and other anti-state groups. I also am impressed by the resiliency and loyalty of Iranians to their government. We have much to learn from our Muslim brothers.

Exactly that why I am not a Secularist or a Wahhabist they are extreme ends that solve none of our problems we need a well defined nationalism and I say lets ban all these ethnic and province based Political parties first like the MQM, and ANP I know thats just a wish list but those parties are one of the source of strife and prevent ethnic harmony and unified nationalism, 2nd a ban on Clerics from politics and instead make them part of a State Directorate of Religious Affairs where they could debate the interpretation of the Quran and Islam, also make the Clerics push their followers to get vocational training and helping the national economy so they dont need to go on the streets and burn tires

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And you are right we will see more influence in Pakistan from China simply because it progressively becomes more attractive as a civilization.

Our admiration of China is limited to economic, scientific, and military spheres. Chinese civilization and social norms are still very alien to Pakistan and most Muslim countries.

It is important for us to learn from and study China, Japan, Germany, Turkey, and the Scandinavian countries to further develop our society.

 

[Moonlight]

Okay guys please in order of three vote what you consider the biggest threats to Pakistan. I list -

1. Mullahism
2. India
3. Afghanistan

Corruption. Corruption and corruption.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Our admiration of China is limited to economic, scientific, and military spheres. Chinese civilization and social norms are still very alien to Pakistan and most Muslim countries.

It is important for us to learn from and study China, Japan, Germany, Turkey, and the Scandinavian countries to further develop our society.

Depends I see it like this as CPEC and the region slowly integrates the most cultural influence will be from Xinjiang,Gansu and Inner Mongolia so the heartland of Huis,Kazakhs, and Uighurs, tho Huis are just Han Muslims in general point is cultural interaction between Central, and East Asia plus Pakistan will continue to grow in the decades ahead

China, Japan, Germany, Turkey, and the Scandinavian countries to further develop our society.

I say screw the Western Europeans, and Scandinavian's overated Multicultural s..iholes I prefer more nationalistic countries like China,Japan,Turkey,Azerbaijan,and Russia to a extent those Euro states are an extention of Yankee neo liberalism and ((them))

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Corruption. Corruption and corruption.

Me. I place Mullahism first. In politics the left is natural balance to the right. Mullahism destroyed the genuine left in Pakistan. It prevented the masses to seek change in the temporal world. Mullahism opposed social evolution which suited vested interests like the elites to continue in the plunder of the people. For instance Mullahists opposed land distribution. The elites have used Mullahism for over 70 years to shackle society. Today of course Mullahists have gained so much confidence that they now even threaten their past masters. Because they think they ought to be ruling the place. I know that kinda of sorts Marxists but then you always have useful insights in all political philosophies.

I prefer more nationalistic countries like China,Japan,Turkey

I would place Turkey as the best example because they are closest to us in culture. I would go for a uber-nationalist Pakistan.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Me. I place Mullahism first. In politics the left is natural balance to the right. Mullahism destroyed the genuine left in Pakistan. It prevented the masses to seek change in the temporal world. Mullahism opposed social evolution which suited vested interests like the elites to continue in the plunder of the people. For instance Mullahists opposed land distribution. The elites have used Mullahism for over 70 years to shackle society. Today of course Mullahists have gained so much confidence that they now even threaten their past masters. Because they think they ought to be ruling the place. I know that kinda of sorts Marxists but then you always have useful insights in all political philosophies.

I would place Turkey as the best example because they are closest to us in culture. I would go for a uber-nationalist Pakistan.

Cough Cough the same left under the PPP who plundered the wealth under ZA Bhutto and caused havoc to the economy thanks to Nationalization of key industries and plactating the feudals

I would place Turkey as the best example because they are closest to us in culture. I would go for a uber-nationalist Pakistan.[/QUOTE]

Maybe a balance of Iran and Turkey is good for Pakistan at least the clerics in Iran promote science, and hi-tech