What can Pakistan can purchase to improve air defense?

[RAMPAGE]

Peace will never be achieved by taking a defensive stance. You always ask for peace from a position of parity or advantage. There has never been an equitable solution to a crisis by peaceful means when there is disparity. Look at all the nations that have sued for peace and the outcomes and correlate it with their respective strength and you will get the answer. There will be no peace till the Kashmir solution is found taking into consideration the wishes of all 3 parties. If you try resolving this from a defensive posturing you will never achieve anything.
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That is why I recommended that we focus of reducing our imports and set up a technology intensive industry. That said, I do not think that we are too weak to settle this dispute in the near future.

how many incentives do you have in your mind which Pakistan could extend & would be valuable enough for India .....???

in exchange for what ...???
What interest of Pakistan would be served by this gesture .... ???
and most importantly Do they need our support for Security Council membership .... ??

without being the member of Security council India is not resolving Kashmir issue but we should believe that after becoming the member India will resolve the Kashmir issue as per the aspiration and will of Kashmiri people ..... ???

I proposed that we support their efforts towards gaining a permanent seat only after we reach a deal.

 

[HRK]

only after we reach a deal

Rampage mere bhai you have put the discussion to the same Initiating Point
How to reach a Peace Deal ....??

And secondary question which is more important than the first one

What would be the Price to this Nation for that supposed Peace Deal .... ???

 

[araz]

That is why I recommended that we focus of reducing our imports and set up a technology intensive industry. That said, I do not think that we are too weak to settle this dispute in the near future.


I proposed that we support their efforts towards gaining a permanent seat only after we reach a deal.

I agree on both counts. However industrialiasation and reduction of imports is a multifaceted topic and within the realms of Indo Pak calculus it becomes irrelevant purely because of the timescales required to achieve the aims. Purely from Pak perspective as well it is dependent on multiple aspects like peace and calm within, improvement of economic situation, energy supply and build up, manpower training. Pakistan till now has tried to gloss over the problem by instituting short term measures not concentrating on the major measures/corrections which would propel us forward. Only now does it seem that we are taking stock and rectifying some of the inherent weaknesses and hopefully this would bear results in the next 10 to 20 years of the nature you are talking about.
Kashmir on the other hand needs a resolution starting now taking the aspirations of all three parties and finding the solution. It is a pity Musharraf nearly got there but was bulldozed by the Indian polity. Hopefully the latter will see the light of the day.
Purely from the defence point of view the february events have made a lot of "important eyes " peeled over Pakistan that the turmoils of the last 30 years have brought Pakistan and its forces upto a level from where they will not be a walk over/ or indeed be impenetrable barring major destructive force being used. Since that defeats the very purpose of this whole new BIG GAME a different method is being tried. Pakistan needs to stand firm on its demands as they are based on justice.
Regards
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never mind peace deals.. they are worthless

much better to get some bazookas from Iran

Bazookas do not need to be bought from Iran. Give us Pistachios instead. Better still give us the means to grow our own so we become even less relaint. With the fencing work done Iran will become irrelevant for all purposes including pistachios and spices.
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[Arsalan 345]

Air defense should be the highest priority.i like new Irani sams.we can try it.we need new Sam systems from china.there are many in development and many projects are already done.s-400 from Russia is not possible but other Sams from Russia is a possibility.also long range radars should be our priority.for long range radars,we can contact Russia,China,Iran,France and sweden.we really need Sams and long range radars.

 

[araz]

Air defense should be the highest priority.i like new Irani sams.we can try it.we need new Sam systems from china.there are many in development and many projects are already done.s-400 from Russia is not possible but other Sams from Russia is a possibility.also long range radars should be our priority.for long range radars,we can contact Russia,China,Iran,France and sweden.we really need Sams and long range radars.

My brother.
You really need to read what is exactly going on. You cannot buy from or sell to Iran any defence equipment as you have handed your chaddi over to the IMF because of the criminal financial mismanagement of our economy. Even without the financial chaos, and the embargo Iran has nothing to sell to us. All you see on the press is nothing more than a lot of chest thumping and boasting. There is nothing concrete behind all these claims.
We have our partners chocked out and will collaborate with them to iincrsase in house assembly small part manufacturing and then full in house production in due course. Where there are deficiencies we may try a hybrid system with some western components/subsystems to supplement the weaknesses eventually.
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[SOHEIL]

Iran has nothing to sell to us. All you see on the press is nothing more than a lot of chest thumping and boasting. There is nothing concrete behind all these claims.

LOL ... we won't sell anything to Pakistan!

 

[araz]

LOL ... we won't sell anything to Pakistan!

Suits us just fine! The ONLY THING we could have bought from you were newer airframes for Cobras but even that is not the case. Pity as it might have given us an interim solution.
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[SOHEIL]

Suits us just fine! The ONLY THING we could have bought from you were newer airframes for Cobras but even that is not the case. Pity as it might have given us an interim solution.
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Good ...

 

[CHI RULES]

My brother.
You really need to read what is exactly going on. You cannot buy from or sell to Iran any defence equipment as you have handed your chaddi over to the IMF because of the criminal financial mismanagement of our economy. Even without the financial chaos, and the embargo Iran has nothing to sell to us. All you see on the press is nothing more than a lot of chest thumping and boasting. There is nothing concrete behind all these claims.
We have our partners chocked out and will collaborate with them to iincrsase in house assembly small part manufacturing and then full in house production in due course. Where there are deficiencies we may try a hybrid system with some western components/subsystems to supplement the weaknesses eventually.
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Sir I have read further news that Irani Air force Chief has been removed from his seat as Israel F35s have already passed through Iran air space unattended/not detected meanwhile this news was deliberate hidden by Irani Chief from Govt which came to know about that later on and action has been taken against him. The news shows that expressed anti stealth capabilities of Iran though good against drones yet are not up to the mark to challenge a true fifth gen jet like F35.

 

[SOHEIL]

Sir I have read further news that Irani Air force Chief has been removed from his seat as Israel F35s have already passed through Iran air space unattended/not detected meanwhile this news was deliberate hidden by Irani Chief from Govt which came to know about that later on and action has been taken against him. The news shows that expressed anti stealth capabilities of Iran though good against drones yet are not up to the mark to challenge a true fifth gen jet like F35.

Israelis put their F-35s into the risk for testing Iranian radars !!! LOL

That's ridiculous as hell ...

It's like we believe every news about Pakistan coming from Indian media !

 

[WinterNights]

Sir I have read further news that Irani Air force Chief has been removed from his seat as Israel F35s have already passed through Iran air space unattended/not detected meanwhile this news was deliberate hidden by Irani Chief from Govt which came to know about that later on and action has been taken against him. The news shows that expressed anti stealth capabilities of Iran though good against drones yet are not up to the mark to challenge a true fifth gen jet like F35.

So you actually believe this hilariously fake news?

Iran's head of air defence was promoted to the assistant commander of Iran's army.

Brig. Gen. Esmaili named assistant commander of Iran Army

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/134524/Brig-Gen-Esmaili-named-assistant-commander-of-Iran-Army

You're in a defence forum for god sakes, how do you not know how to properly research these things.
Forgetting the fact the F35 cannot even reach Iran properly, you actually thought the Kuwaiti news posting this was authentic?

Iran has nothing to sell to us. All you see on the press is nothing more than a lot of chest thumping and boasting. There is nothing concrete behind all these claims.

Let's take Iran's air defence for example, hasn't Iran shot shot Americans systems few times already? What's your definition of "something concrete"? You Pakistanis are importing Chinese systems that have never seen anything close to combat, and yet when Iranians (member on here) offer you systems that have actually been used, you make such silly claims.

I wonder if you actually believe your statements or if you're just saying it because you can't stand the fact Iran is developing such systems? If so, then instead of being jealous, be happy that your neighbour is developing such advanced systems by itself. Iran-Pakistan are brothers, despite what many propagandists wants you to believe.

 

[alphapak]

Shooting drones down is no big deal, even Afghan Taliban have shot down U.S drones.
Get back to us if you manage to shoot down a F35 or F22 with Iranian made SAM's.

As for Chinese weapons, we seen a little trailer on the 27th Feb.

 

[Arsalan 345]

LOL ... we won't sell anything to Pakistan!

I think if we ask,your army will give it to us.i think there is still good relations between the two countries.

My brother.
You really need to read what is exactly going on. You cannot buy from or sell to Iran any defence equipment as you have handed your chaddi over to the IMF because of the criminal financial mismanagement of our economy. Even without the financial chaos, and the embargo Iran has nothing to sell to us. All you see on the press is nothing more than a lot of chest thumping and boasting. There is nothing concrete behind all these claims.
We have our partners chocked out and will collaborate with them to iincrsase in house assembly small part manufacturing and then full in house production in due course. Where there are deficiencies we may try a hybrid system with some western components/subsystems to supplement the weaknesses eventually.
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Sir I understand your point.economy is a very big problem and I feel that project azm is in danger due to financial crisis but this long range radar is extremely important because India is planning more attacks in Pakistan just like balakot do we must prepare ourselves.

 

[SOHEIL]

Shooting drones down is no big deal, even Afghan Taliban have shot down U.S drones.
Get back to us if you manage to shoot down a F35 or F22 with Iranian made SAM's.

As for Chinese weapons, we seen a little trailer on the 27th Feb.

Even Pakistan manages to do that !

And puts a drone kill mark on a green JF to celebrate this achievement !

I think if we ask,your army will give it to us.i think there is still good relations between the two countries.

I don't know ... But I know some Pakistani members hate Iran so much !

 

[alphapak]

Even Pakistan manages to do that !

And puts a drone kill mark on a green JF to celebrate this achievement !

Pak has been shooting down Israeli made drones coming from the Indian border for a long time.
It is no big deal, come back to us when you shoot down a F35 or an F22.