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I am all for peaceful relations but Kashmir cannot be the first step on the agenda.
Instead try to make a long term goal for relations which is more realistic.
Thats why we wont have peace.........what if we sent a few thousand freedom fighters into kashmir would you still be willing to put kashmir on the back burner and move ahead with everything else?
You indians said if we cut the flow of fighters "cross border terrorism" then you would sit down and come to a deal ,instead now you want to discuss everything expect kashmir.
The only way forward is to settle kashmir first and then move forward.
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As for BD, I think India should give them a hard kick in the *** and shut them up
India China have border disputes but there is no violence/cross border terrorism between them.
If India and China can do that why not Pakistan India? Kashmir is an important issue no one is denying that but we can't hold dialogue and peaceful relations hostage to that. And terrorism that has nothing to do with Kashmir should certainly not be held hostage to Kashmir resolution.
Especially since under Shimla accords the most recent agreement signed by ZA Bhutto, Pakistan agreed to maintain the sanctity of the LoC and peaceful resolution of Kashmir. And even the JKLF leaders want peaceful resolution as well.
terrorism that has nothing to do with Kashmir should certainly not be held hostage to Kashmir resolution.
Well this was what i was trying to say before in my earlier post but in a more cynical manner.
As long as people put Kashmir before everything else than there wont be any change in the India Pakistan relationship in the foreseeable future.
there is to much resentment on both sides especially the army. Many of whom have fought each other in the past. And still remember the events.
Neither side trusts each other at the moment so there can be no positive relations.
for starters Pakistan can help bring the Mumbai terrorists to justice.
And what do Pak want from India to show its trust ?
We first need to fill the trust void.
Also Please stop treating Indians as if they are all Hindus and also Anti Muslim.
There many in India who believe in our secular vision, and the words of "Jana Gana Mana" and Gandhi's Unfulfilled dream.
By generalizing everyone in India as Anti-Islamic fascists.
you are no better than those that say
every Pakistan is full of terrorists.
I am all for peaceful relations but Kashmir cannot be the first step on the agenda.
Instead try to make a long term goal for relations which is more realistic.
Understand something Kashmir is the root cause of problems we all face today. You cant just forget the root cause and think of moving ahead because logic defies that. The root cause has to be eliminated before any progress can be made in moving ahead for the development and betterment of the whole region.
You are absolutely right.
But understand what i said using this analogy
If Kashmir is the root that needs to be removed then it is one deeply entrenched root.
Both countries are trying to pull the root out with brute force. But it is far too entrenched for it to be done so easily and quickly.
So now they try to to work together by digging the root(making diplomatic bridges) out but are instead trowing each others dirt into their respective digging site.
Instead if both countries can dig together(work together and build trust) then the Kashmir root can be more quickly removed.
If you can understand this , then you will understand that Kahsmir is not a simple decision that will happen overnight. this will require a great deal of trust between both nations before any noticeable progress can be made.
P.S-how do you choose an avatar ?
In my opinion, follwing things will not only bring india closer to pakistan but both these countries would be best friends;
1) India Gives up Jammu & Kashmir and let the people of J & K decide their fate.
2) India Appologizes to pakistan for all its conspiracies against pakistan since 1947.
3) India promises and keeps her word to protect and provide equal opportunities to all her minorities specially Muslims in all walks of life.
4) India denounces and later on eliminates terrorist organization like RSS etc.
5) India promises not to carry out any conspiracy or agression against any of its neighbours or muslim countries in the world ever.
6) India improves its relations and resolves all border issues with china.
7) India stops building dams on bangladeshi rivers and givesup all plans of occupying bangladeshi territory.
these are a few points, if india does all above then i'll post another list as a second tier to improve relations...
Looks like you bharati got death wish. Please do us a favor and bring you coward *** in to our territory of 150 million hard core Muslim. you can not even control baby Kashmir for last 60 years yet dreaming about controlling us by means of force. A two full blown conflict in Kashmir and Bangladesh is perfect storm for Hindustan to dissipate in air dust.
Peace?
Then let the Kashmiris decide their fate through a plebiscite - after all Indians claim the Kashmiris would choose India any way.
Hey do you know any two countries that solved border disputes peacefully. I just want to know if it is just us or it is worldwide.