Well PTI IK & PAT Qadri - First Victory - Military Guarantees

[Norwegian]

Show me where the DGISPR said the government lied please

https://twitter.com/x/status/505341452616884224

If you are so smart, how about you tell me what Mullah and Ik are caring about and their agenda is?

Their agenda is people of Pakistan, not elite of Pakistan.

 

[Viper0011.]

https://twitter.com/x/status/505341452616884224

I see this and clearly, I can read and write English. Where does it SAY (as per your statement) that the government LIED? Also, re-read my post you are responding to. Just like IK and Mullah, you guys ONLY post stuff that has your interest in it. Re-read the entire post and address accordingly. Not with one liners.
By the way, ISPR is clarifying, SAME THING I said in my previous post. There is NO lying by anyone here. IK and Mullah are desperately needing a Face Saving and they are causing confusion with the Military and the Government by reaching out directly to the COAS WHILE they are negotiating with the government. Sad.
But do read my previous post. It give you the entire issue's details in it.

 

[Norwegian]

Where does it SAY (as per your statement) that the government LIED?

Of course they DIDN'T say government lied. But earlier today, PM and Interior Minister said in National Assembly that it wasn't them but IK and Qadri that called out the army. What a joke!

 

[Viper0011.]

Their agenda is people of Pakistan, not elite of Pakistan.

Ha! What's in that agenda for the "people" of Pakistan? You expect people to vote for your one line? lol. Substance plz?
Common, poor people need jobs, so their kids can be educated. So they have a home to live in peacefully, so their generations can remain in Pakistan and grow the country, so the economy booms and roads, hospitals, schools, business are built and the extremism gets out of the society, primary reasons for it are because the country doesn't have proper education and jobs. So yes, it is ALL about the economy across the globe.

So please give me the details on their agenda:
1) How will they provide for 200 Million people when there is no investment coming in?
2) How will they create jobs?
3) How will they expand Educational infrastructure?
4) How will they provide Healthcare to their citizens?
5) How will the remove Extremism from the Society?
6) How will they fix electricity issues?
7) What's their agenda to take the country towards positive trade tariffs?

If you can answer the above for me, it'd be great. Let's see the substance behind these two people's sense (which I don't think exists). So try to answer these because if you don't, I'll keep asking for in every post till you answer.

 

[Norwegian]

This is bound to happen, just watch my words.

OK I am watching.

So yes, it is ALL about the economy across the globe.

So why do the politics by elected officials? If politics is all about economy, isn't it better to install people from the financial sector as technocrats to run the government as its happening in US?

 

[Viper0011.]

Of course they DIDN'T say government lied. But earlier today, PM and Interior Minister said in National Assembly that it wasn't them but IK and Qadri that called out the army. What a joke!

You guys don't want to READ my post entirely. You don't want to pay attention, its like debating with a Ten year old with ADD, who's mind is going EVERYWHERE in the Zoo but on the issue being discussed.

The ISPR's "statement" you keep referring too.....was FIRST approved by the government to clear out the confusion caused by IK and by the Mullah. They reached out to the military directly trying DESPERATELY to Save Face!! Then they bough twisted their stories to show as if they had "cut" a deal with the military directly.
When these two reached out to the COAS, he called the interior minister. The direction was to go talk to these two and use your positive influence. Which is to tell others to let's finish this and move on.

This is NO WAY shows the "military is taking over the entire communication and agreement". This is a facilitation role. And that is what the ISPR clarified WITH government's approval....that TWEET was sent after the military had talked to the government and it was approved. I am SURE you'll see it tomorrow in news.

IK and Mullah tried over night tried to make speeches and statements as IF the military was doing a deal with them directly. The PM said there was NO such thing as that. Asking someone to meet with someone when requested and tell them to let go of the unconstitutional demands, is one thing. Asking them to legally take over the entire process is another.
So NOW, the ISPR actually said what the government said....they were NOT GIVEN the command over communication and agreements. They were told to use their positive role as a facilitator. If you don't know the legal meaning of Facilitator and Mediator and Decision Making Authority, you should LEARN the meaning first before opening your mouth.

75% of the people on here don't know these basics and don't even know their constitution. But yet, they'll try to get into such legal topics as if they are the experts and know it all. The most damaging thing to Pakistan has always been the fact about following mullahs and people like IK for no good reason. How about you study and research something and THEN follow it, knowing how REALLY good it will be for the country and for the nation?

 

[Norwegian]

was FIRST approved by the government to clear out the confusion caused by IK and by the Mullah. They reached out to the military directly trying DESPERATELY to Save Face!!

You are saying exactly what this lying Ch. Nisar just said on TV. While IK and Qadri have denied outright that they contacted Army to save face. LOL.

 

[Viper0011.]

So why do the politics by elected officials? If politics is all about economy, isn't it better to install people from the financial sector as technocrats to run the government as its happening in US?

Technocrats in the US??? I don't think you have a good understanding of what makes up the US political system. What we DO have is a fact that no matter how many disagreements (and there are many), the system is never derailed and the country always moved forward. If one party doesn't win or feels like they were done wrong, they go to the court and if the court strikes the issue down. They take it as a final decision and start preparing for the next elections. So no trillions of dollars are lost because some idiots tried to take over the capital of the country.

Second, economy is what feeds you. Can you go to Church or Moqsue and pray or do school work or anything with an empty stomach for days? or with extreme sickness? Add unemployment to it. Can you afford a doctor's visit without $$ to pay him? You think these 20K protestors will be there with IK and the Mullah if they didn't have food or clothing provided? NO, they'd be GONE!!!

People like you sitting in Norway, France, the UK, Australia and the US.....why did you leave Pakistan to be in these countries? For ONE thing and One thing only......a better economy that provides Security and Safety for everyone and ensures growth for you and your families. So why put roadblocks in Pakistan's way?

So.....human life essentials are: Food, Shelter and Clothing. All of these come from a running economy. Publicly elected officials make sure that they put a system in place that then ensures the success of people's lives, businesses, education availability, healthcare, infrastructure and all.

I don't know about the past. But this time around, Pakistan is in luck (IF you let the current government finish their term out of respect and growth for Pakistan). The current government has brought in 100 + Billion Dollars worth of investment. This is NOT the time to do this bull crap drama. This is the time to support who is REALLY building a new Pakistan vs. others who "talk" about it and are constantly damaging the economy.

You know the phrase, "There is a time and place for everything". This time was where everyone needed to shut up for the sake of Pakistan and let the growth happen. In the next 5 years, the growth will start to show a new Pakistan. If these issues the sit-ins are being done for still existed, the same sit-ins can happen a few years from now.

Right now, you need to work with each other and support the government in Pakistan's economic growth. This is NOT the time to do this drama and scare off the investors and destroy the ONLY chance that the country has.

 

[Norwegian]

So no trillions of dollars are lost because some idiots tried to take over the capital of the country.

LOL. Read here how many trillions of dollars your government lost by gross mismanagement of your country's financial and economic sector following 2007-2008 debt crises:
The Crisis of Wealth Destruction | Roosevelt Institute

People like you sitting on Norway, France, the UK, Australia and the US.....why did you leave Pakistan to be in these countries?

I don't know about you, but I left Pakistan for humanitarian reasons, not economic.

The current government has brought in 100 + Billion Dollars worth of investment.

How much of this debt fueled investment is gonna go directly to the minister's own foreign bank accounts? If debt fueled foreign investment was the solution to Pakistan's economic and financial problems, we would have rivers of milk and honey flowing now.

 

[xyxmt]

Dr TUQ & Imran Khan asks for Army Chief guarantees, NS begging Army to safe us !!

24 hrs more time, pmln govt on feet of the army, PAT QADRI, PTI IMRAN KHAN. is there a way out for PMLN govt ?

ONLY THAT PARTY WINS, WHO HAS PLANS, PLAN A, PLAN B AND PLAN C.

ONLY THAT PARTY WINS WHO WINS OVER ALL INSTITUTIONS TO ITS SIDE.

Well done PTI and PAT.

good to see some people who has no clue about anything getting naya Pakistan as promised and visioned by Jinnah

 

[Norwegian]

good to see some people who has no clue about anything getting naya Pakistan as promised and visioned by Jinnah

Jinnah never envisioned Nooras elitism with their debt fueled investment and labelling it as their achievement.

 

[xyxmt]

Jinnah never envisioned Nooras elitism with their debt fueled investment and labelling it as their achievement.

true that was a vision by Sharifs, I am talking about the one we are getting next from the untiring efforts of Imran The king Khan, maybe you dont listen to your leader but he said it in every speech Jinnah ka Pakistan le ke ayain gye, and yesterday he did

 

[Viper0011.]

LOL. Read here how many trillions of dollars your government lost by gross mismanagement of your country's financial and economic sector following 2007-2008 debt crises:

I don't know about you, but I left Pakistan for humanitarian reasons, not economic.

How much of this debt fueled investment is gonna go directly to the minister's own foreign bank accounts? If debt fueled foreign investment was the solution to Pakistan's economic and financial problems, we would have rivers of milk and honey flowing now.

You guys can never understand the point, can you? Comparing Pakistan to US's economy is silly. We were discussing Pakistan. You couldn't disagree with me as I was right on ALL points. But you decided to come back with "miss-management with money in the US". Well, we can afford to lose so much money and recover. We are STILL the number 1 economy and we lead the world in innovation across everything. I'd like a DAY when you can say that to some degree about Pakistan too. And that was the point of the debate here. Not bring in America, but what people needed to do for Pakistan's economic growth.

Second, leaving for Humanitarian or non-Humanitarian reasons, if this economy thing takes off and a system is in place. No one would have to leave for ANY reason if they didn't want to. The country will offer tremendous opportunity, safety and security to its people. But for GOD's Sake, let a system and the economy develop for once. You guys are sitting in the Western countries and enjoying their democratic lifestyle while forcing Pakistanis to not live with one. How's that ok???

I don't know if you know how the current government has been doing projects now. There is third party international auditors appointed by the financing bank (usually international institutes like KPMG, Transparency International, etc), who come in and audit these projects down to the person working on the street and these guys know your system well to find corruption. So if nothing has come out in 15 months after many audits, chances are it won't happen. Or if it DOES happen, it'll be listed out in the media and you can take those ministers to the court. This is idiotic for IK or Mullah to say the entire system is paid by NS. That's a lie, if it were true, the High Court wouldn't have struck down the appeal on the FIR. They did that twice and ordered one to be filed against the political system. Welcome to reality!
This is NOT the time you guys showed a divided nation. This is the time to support who's actually doing the work so you can see the face and shape of a new Pakistan in the next 3 years with electricity virtually gone as the first thing. You guys can either understand that and hold your anger inside for the broader good for a nation or destroy your country.

 

[Norwegian]

You guys are sitting in the Western countries and enjoying their democratic lifestyle while forcing Pakistanis to not live with one. How's that ok

Is lifestyle in Pakistan democratic? Its not. Going to election polls every 4 years is not democracy. Its the quality of democracy that matters. Since Nooras took over prices have quadrupled for everything, especially electricity bills yet the blackouts are the same or even worse than before.

They did that twice and ordered one to be filed against the political system. Welcome to reality!

They have NO law enforcing authority. Law enforcement is still under Noora's control. That is the reality.

Pakistan in the next 3 years with electricity virtually gone as the first thing

We already have no electricity. Nandipur project by Nooras was a total flop, wasted billions for nothing.

 

[Viper0011.]

Is lifestyle in Pakistan democratic? Its not. Going to election polls every 4 years is not democracy. Its the quality of democracy that matters. Since Nooras took over prices have quadrupled for everything, especially electricity bills yet the blackouts are the same or even worse than before.
They have NO law enforcing authority. Law enforcement is still under Noora's control. That is the reality.
We already have no electricity. Nandipur project by Nooras was a total flop, wasted billions for nothing.

Ok, for a change, I won't respond to you. The basic answer is, ALL of the above will change as the SYSTEM develops, the MOST critical point, which you guys don't want to understand.

Next, how would ALL the above points you mentioned, will change if you followed IK or Mullah? Let me hear that. NONE of you can tell me that and I've been asking for months now. Let's hear the substance, you guys always dodge these questions.