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Next, how would ALL the above points you mentioned, will change if you followed IK or Mullah? Let me hear that. NONE of you can tell me that and I've been asking for months now. Let's hear the substance, you guys always dodge these questions.
Since IK is democratic and not authoritarian like Nooras, you will see the change happening already in KPK all over Pakistan. Qadri is not political but constitutional and he demands justice just like IK so they are on the same page. Government is in mess by its own wrongdoings and dictatorial behaviour. First our country needs is good governance free from corruption, bribery, noora kushti, mismanagement. When we have achieved all that, then we can go on look for foreign investment when everything has become transparent.
 
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Since IK is democratic and not authoritarian like Nooras, you will see the change happening already in KPK all over Pakistan. Qadri is not political but constitutional and he demands justice just like IK so they are on the same page. Government is in mess by its own wrongdoings and dictatorial behaviour. First our country needs is good governance free from corruption, bribery, noora kushti, mismanagement. When we have achieved all that, then we can go on look for foreign investment when everything has become transparent.

How old are you? This post sounds like I am reading an 18 year old' comments who has never run a house hold or has a job to understand real life and its difficulties. Too idealistic just like IK's fantasy land lifestyle that "intrigues" young people. Read the bold part of your statement and help me understand:

1) IK is democratic.....Democracy means you talk and negotiate. You FOLLOW the constitution. He's violated, broken the constitution and announced Civil Unrest. How is he democratic? When someone forces himself with 20K people on 200 Million people's constitution and the parliament.....that's democracy for you? BOY you have a twisted version of reality!

2) Mullah is constitutional....he right this SECOND has pending non-bailable arrest warrants by an Anti-Terrorism court. You think that's "constitutional"? Threatening others to be killed, getting people Torture and Kill policemen, Plaza's, burning Buses, Vehicles and destroying Public property is "constitutional" to you? Signing a contract with a City's administration and lying on the legal binding contract is "constitutional"??? Taking over the space illegally in front of the Parliament is constitutional? In 2002, there was a firing attack on the Indian Parliament.....they almost went to WAR with you and that could've resulted in Nukes being used. You feel how IMPORTANT a Parliament building to a nation? Here, your IK is openly showcasing a version of Civil Terrorism and that's "constitutional"???

3) Good governance....people who can't properly "communicate" their demands or agree to 5 out of 6 demands for the BEST interest of the country. You expect them to give you "good governance"? People who have no control over their mouth, who have Policemen killed by their protestors....and have had gun fights in EVERY single party elections, you expect them to give you good governance? IK's party members come from the same big families who have other siblings, cousins and all in other parties. So how is this any different??? When you don't respect your OWN constitution, how could you possible provide "good governance" to an entire nation? How does that work?
 
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When someone forces himself with 20K people on 200 Million people's constitution and the parliament.....that's democracy for you?
It is if its proven that sitting government stole people's mandate in recent elections. These protests won't go away until scrutiny and accountability of recent elections is provided by an impartial authority.

You feel how IMPORTANT a Parliament building to a nation?
Yes, as long those sitting inside are legitimate and not from rigged elections.

IK's party members come from the same big families who have other siblings, cousins and all in other parties. So how is this any different?
Its different when you see the change in government in KPK with same siblings and cousins because the ideology of Tehreek Insaf is not compromised.
 
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PTI politics is wrong if he get selected someother day Nawas will do the same
 
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It is if its proven that sitting government stole people's mandate in recent elections. These protests won't go away until scrutiny and accountability of recent elections is provided by an impartial authority.
Yes, as long those sitting inside are legitimate and not from rigged elections.
Its different when you see the change in government in KPK with same siblings and cousins because the ideology of Tehreek Insaf is not compromised.

Sitting are as illegal at this point (after the constitution has been broken) as a murderer. Second you keep dodging questions and only quote what you like, I am not here to get into a scripting competition that have no factual backgrounds and "hear say".
And I'll repeat this until you answer the following bullets. You are supporting a violent, unconstitutional movement but you can't tell other why and how it'll change the world.
How about you address what I've asked you instead of KEEP reading the script to us:

1) How will they (IK and Mullah) provide for 200 Million people when there is no investment coming in?
2) How will they (IK and Mullah) create jobs?
3) How will they (IK and Mullah) expand Educational infrastructure?
4) How will they (IK and Mullah) provide Healthcare to their citizens?
5) How will they (IK and Mullah) remove Extremism from the Society?
6) How will they (IK and Mullah) fix electricity issues?
7) What's their agenda to take the country towards positive trade tariffs?
 
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1) How will they (IK and Mullah) provide for 200 Million people when there is no investment coming in?
Tax collection from the elite who pay zero tax. Bring back 200 billion dollars worth of assets in foreign banks back to Pakistan, money that was STOLEN during previous corrupt governments.

2) How will they (IK and Mullah) create jobs?
By investing in education. Increasing higher learning and human capital. This would jump start new industries and self-employment.

3) How will they (IK and Mullah) expand Educational infrastructure?
By cooperating with Western universities. IK already has made a university college in Naml with Bradford university.
Namal College - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


4) How will they (IK and Mullah) provide Healthcare to their citizens?
IK has already done it with national and international donations alone. See Shaukat Khanum Cancer hospital:
Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital & Research Centre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


5) How will they (IK and Mullah) remove Extremism from the Society?
By giving ALL Pakistanis equal opportunities of education and syllabus. Extremism comes from the Madrassas. They will come under state control as is the came in Malaysia.


6) How will they (IK and Mullah) fix electricity issues?
Build new small dams and infrastructure for the transfer of energy. There is a huge hydropower and coal based energy generation potential yet to be utilised.
 
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Tax collection from the elite who pay zero tax. Bring back 200 billion dollars worth of assets in foreign banks back to Pakistan, money that was STOLEN during previous corrupt governments.
By investing in education. Increasing higher learning and human capital. This would jump start new industries and self-employment.
By cooperating with Western universities. IK already has made a university college in Naml with Bradford university.
Namal College - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IK has already done it with national and international donations alone. See Shaukat Khanum Cancer hospital:
Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital & Research Centre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By giving ALL Pakistanis equal opportunities of education and syllabus. Extremism comes from the Madrassas. They will come under state control as is the came in Malaysia.

Build new small dams and infrastructure for the transfer of energy. There is a huge hydropower and coal based energy generation potential yet to be utilized.

Now are talking. Thank you for a post with the content. Now we can debate with some facts. Here's my input:

1) Tax collection is already expanding, the current government is ALREADY in talks with the Swiss institutes and they are working to get some litigation solidified so that the money can be transferred back to the Government of Pakistan. What new is the IK going to bring when the process has already been started by the current government?

2) Investing in Education: Your one of of the posts from this morning said "We don't need investments, we first need a better government and then we'll get to investments". The fact is, you need investments for EVERYTHING, Pakistan isn't able to sustain on its own right now. So education investments mean, people will have to PAY for tuition. If the economy doesn't work....how do you plan on paying for more tuition? So the real goal is the economical progress. Then, the current government has brought in over 100 Billion dollars worth of investments. That's currently sitting in different states of affairs and projects at a halt due to this drama. So why NOT use the investments you got and turn the country's future around in the next three years vs. destroying the current system and creating a habit of toppling the government. If today Ik and Mullah are doing it, what will stop PPP and PMLN NOT to do it tomorrow as they have a MUCH bigger vote bank???

So focus on here is, to let the current system run as is and grow the country in the next three years vs. destroying the system. The current government has started HUGE projects across, Medicine, Engineering, Technical Training, Cardiology and all, there are MANY projects already completed and some under way. They have also started free education till the high school and then scholarships. What's so new that Ik is bringing that wasn't there before?

3) Maddrassas and all are already being regulated under the current government. What new does the IK brings??

4) How is IK going to run the country with investments coming in? One hospital or contract with a foreign institute DOES NOT mean running an entire country.....???

5) Small dams...how many are being built in KPK right now? Baluchistan is working on building 100 dams of small and medium size. What's IK done in KPK so far and how many big projects have been completed? Give me a list....
 
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What new is the IK going to bring when the process has already been started by the current government?
200 billion dollars worth of Pakistani assets in Swiss banks also include money from Nawaz and Zardari family. Not sure how they are going to do accountability of their OWN assets? Impartiality?

If today Ik and Mullah are doing it, what will stop PPP and PMLN NOT to do it tomorrow as they have a MUCH bigger vote bank
Tehreek Insaf will let them march freely and protest how much they like without the use of arrests, containers, threats as they are democratic and not authoritarian.

What's so new that Ik is bringing that wasn't there before?
Nooras have no common education policy for whole nation unlike PTI. As I told before, they are status quo freaks and want more divide between english / urdu sector of education.


Maddrassas and all are already being regulated under the current government.
LOL. Where? Link?

How is IK going to run the country with investments coming in?
IK has more international contacts than Noora can even dream of. He is more trustworthy that looters of Noon League.

What's IK done in KPK so far and how many big projects have been completed? Give me a list.
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200 billion dollars worth of Pakistani assets in Swiss banks also include money from Nawaz and Zardari family.
Nooras have no common education policy for whole nation unlike PTI. As I told before, they are status quo freaks and want more divide between english / urdu sector of education.
IK has more international contacts than Noora can even dream of. He is more trustworthy that looters of Noon League.

Your post seems like Gas out of the rear I have to admit. The gov't has been dealing with the Swiss government for a long time legally. This isn't a phone call made once. So what that means, is whoever's money is included in it, whether NS or Zardari and Member of IK...that money WILL be back. That's the law.
Now IK will say that NS bought the SWISS government too lol. I think by now, everyone's used to Gas coming out of IK and Mullah's rear too.
IK doesn't have a global standing. In fact, after this drama, he doesn't really have a career left in Pakistan. He's well know in the globe by the "Warrior of 20k people who wanted to take over a country of 200 MILLION". They might make a movie out of it soon.

IK couldn't build a proper running school, let alone a school "system" and an " educational policy". All of his policies verbally exist. And so do the projects in KPK. The place is the same shi*t hole it was 10 years ago. ALL because of the bad governance of IK. I can print a lot of posters too. Show me something working, completed projects and statistics......number talk, bull shi*t walks.

You can VERY clearly see on this VERY forum the work SS has done and the projects NS has started. So show us running projects with pictures and comparisons.

BY the way, Your Mullah out of desperation has been calling the government officials and the military for 7 hours now. They are not picking up his call and he's losing his blood pressure and getting constipated. Once this is done, he will NEVER dare this again or this will go bite him in the near all the way to Canada. Love it.

Time to end this extremists politics show and give these two some "Face Saving" and the gov't needs to start working back on the economy.
 
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So what that means, is whoever's money is included in it, whether NS or Zardari and Member of IK...that money WILL be back.
Keep dreaming. No money is coming back to Pakistan. Most of the assets of Sharifs and Zardaris are held abroad. Great patriots of Pakistan.

IK couldn't build a proper running school, let alone a school "system" and an " educational policy".
Really? Where is this BS coming from? IK build Naml university college for the poor where 90 % of students get scholarship and Bradford university degrees even before coming to power. LOL.


You can VERY clearly see on this VERY forum the work SS has done and the projects NS has started.
Like? Nandi pur project was a huge flop. Debt fueled investment by IMF and World Bank loans charging huge interests on loans for generations to come is not exactly accomplishment. Not to forget the commission they are taking on building these expensive over valued projects in a nation where majority can't even feed itself.

Your Mullah out of desperation has been calling the government officials and the military for 7 hours now. They are not picking up his call and he's losing his blood pressure and getting constipated. Once this is done, he will NEVER dare this again or this will go bite him in the near all the way to Canada
LOL. Non-sense. If they do not take him seriously, its dama dam mast qalander. If they use force to disperse the demonstrators, its going to be civil war and Nooras will be gone anyway.

Time to end this extremists politics show and give these two some "Face Saving" and the gov't needs to start working back on the economy.
LOL. If debt fueled investments is improving the economy, we are doomed. No other government in our history has taken more debt than Nooras aka. Kashkol killers.
 
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Keep dreaming. No money is coming back to Pakistan. Most of the assets of Sharifs and Zardaris are held abroad. Great patriots of Pakistan.

Really? Where is this BS coming from? IK build Naml university college for the poor where 90 % of students get scholarship and Bradford university degrees even before coming to power. LOL.

Like? Nandi pur project was a huge flop. Debt fueled investment by IMF and World Bank loans charging huge interests on loans for generations to come is not exactly accomplishment. Not to forget the commission they are taking on building these expensive over valued projects in a nation where majority can't even feed itself.
LOL. Non-sense. If they do not take him seriously, its dama dam mast qalander. If they use force to disperse the demonstrators, its going to be civil war and Nooras will be gone anyway.
LOL. If debt fueled investments is improving the economy, we are doomed. No other government in our history has taken more debt than Nooras aka. Kashkol killers.

Have you ever been to a court of law? Let an international court of law? Do you understand when a government starts a legal process, there is a LOT that goes into it and there is a country's name and respect behind it? If you can comprehend these basic rules, then know the legal proceedings with the Swiss government have started. No one can stop those. As soon as they are done with their internal legal system, this is a public announcement they have to make.

Show me this Namal colleges building pictures, student details and numbers. Having so much funding, he ONLY built a college? Have you seen Danish school system in Punjab? or the Medical schools they build across Punjab or the scholarship and free educational project that's helping thousands of kids every year???? There are details on this forum so look them up, they have pictures of EVERY single facility with kids in it. Instead of a BIG piece of paper with "projects" written on it like the government in KPK does

Nandi Poor electric project.....how is that a failure. Let's see how you can now try to be an engineer. If the electric equipment was rusted and it "sat" on the port for two years and because of that, you'll have ongoing issues, who's fault is that?? That's the previous government's fault that it let such nationally critical projects sit on their as* for corruption. But when the spare parts have replaced the faulty machinery, the power consumption goes up. The electric production fluctuates. But its not been the case that this thing's been dead since it came up. That's propaganda like the rest of IK' lies.

So your 20K people are dispersed with forced, it'll be a Civil War.....well if these guys are gone from the government, it'll be a bigger Civil War as the entire political spectrum is with them. Take a look at the Parliament videos to see how much democratic support NS has. Versus two lone depressed idiots sitting outside lying about everything in life.

Debt ....you sure you want to talk about that? Do you know how investments work? How trade balances work? How project based ROI works? or what an NPV is? If you can explain these basic concepts to me, I'd love to get into a debate with you on these things. Otherwise, its a waste of time to explain something to someone that has no education in the subject or experience.....so far, I've only seem propaganda out of you.

Nawaz's crediblity is over. LOL.

Actually, he will survive this. IK's political future is over. Let's put money. Mullah Greedy is about to get kicked out and he won't return and do this again, that's for sure too. He'll be allowed to "visit" only or face Treason both here and in Canada :) welcome to a democratic system where violators of the constitution don't have a political future!
 
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Show me this Namal colleges building pictures, student details and numbers.
Here you go:
NAMAL | Namal College, Pakistan – an associate college of University of Bradford, UK
Namal College, Mianwali | Facebook


The electric production fluctuates. But its not been the case that this thing's been dead since it came up
LOL. It only worked for 5 days after its first inauguration because the little electricity it produced was too costly:
Nandipur plant was operational only for five days - Pakistan - DAWN.COM


Take a look at the Parliament videos to see how much democratic support NS has.
LOL. You are so naive to even think those old aristocrats from elite families of Pakistan are going to "oppose" status quo PM of theirs, that they love so much.

Debt ....you sure you want to talk about that? Do you know how investments work? How trade balances work? How project based ROI works? or what an NPV is?
Yeah I know all about rate of return and net present value. I am not against Nooras building highways and power plants, but their priorities. They must first fix their authoritarian governance and elitist lifestyles before starting on these mega projects with loaned money.


IK's political future is over.
Again you are delusional.
 
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Show me where the DGISPR said the government lied please???? Again, lying, miss using words and a lack of sense in your posts. IK and Mullah wanted to cause confusion between the Gov't and the Military
@Luftwaffe

Today ISPR has released official press releasing naming govt approach for help in problem resolution. Violation of Article 62, 63 by the PM of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Now someone from legal fraternity should through light on the legal course of action.

Show me where the DGISPR said the government lied please???? Again, lying, miss using words and a lack of sense in your posts. IK and Mullah wanted to cause confusion between the Gov't and the Military
@Luftwaffe

Today ISPR has released official press releasing naming govt approach for help in problem resolution. Violation of Article 62, 63 by the PM of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Now someone from legal fraternity should through light on the legal course of action.
 
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