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Ask The Vietnamese About War, And They Think China, Not The U.S.
Updated May 2, 20155:42 PM ETPublished May 1, 20153:30 AM ET
ham Thi Ky (right) and her family pray at the grave of her brother-in-law, who was killed 36 years ago in the 1979 border war with China. Every year, the family goes to the cemetery on the anniversary of his death. Vietnam and China have been adversaries for centuries and the friction continues to this day.
Michael Sullivan for NPR
In one of the many war cemeteries in Lang Son, a city in northern Vietnam, Pham Thi Ky and her family light incense and offer prayers for her brother-in-law, who died 36 years ago in Vietnam's brief but bloody border war with China.
That 1979 war left more than 50,000 dead. There are other graves here, too. They fought and died against the French occupiers, then the Americans. But relative to China, those were brief battles.
No country weighs on Vietnam like China, and it has been that way for centuries. Has the conflict with China ever really ended, I ask Pham Thi Ky as she lights another candle.
"No," she says. Her daughter agrees. Her sister is even more emphatic. "It will never end. With the Chinese, how can it ever end?"
Vietnam's 2,000 year history with its northern neighbor is complex. There have been countless conflicts as well as shared culture. The Temple of Literature in Hanoi is a good example. It was built by the Vietnamese King Ly Thánh Tông in 1070 to honor the Chinese philosopher Confucius. The teachings on the walls are written in Chinese characters. China is also Vietnam's largest trading partner.
The two countries share a communist ideology shaped in part by their shared history, an ideology largely abandoned by the rest of the world. That helps explain why the 1979 border war is something neither government likes to talk about. But Nguyen Duy Thuc, a veteran of that war, is happy to.
"On the morning of the attack, February 17th, we were sleeping when the Chinese artillery started, then we all ran to our posts," he says. "Some were dressed, others didn't even have time to put their pants on, they just ran to their posts to fight."
Vietnamese forces travel toward the country's northern border during a brief, bloody war with China in 1979.
Alan Dawson/Bettmann/CORBIS
At least 200,000 Chinese troops poured into northern Vietnam all along the border. China was aiming to punish Vietnam for its invasion of Cambodia the month before to oust the Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge. There were so many Chinese attacking, Nguyen Duy Thuc remembers, that the soldiers in his bunker "fired our AK-47s until the muzzles turned red and they couldn't fire anymore."
But the Chinese kept coming; eventually his bunker was overrun. The Chinese, he says, pumped gas into the ventilation system. There were 800 people, including soldiers, women and children, who fled the fighting in his bunker, Nguyen says.
Only he and two others managed to escape. After nearly a month, the Chinese withdrew, though border clashes continued for the next decade. And Nguyen Duy Thuc hasn't forgotten. If he catches his wife trying to watch a Chinese movie, he turns it off.
Memories of that war, and the many other bouts of invasion, occupation and retaliation throughout history, color Vietnam's relationship with China.
That's especially true now, with the two countries at odds over what Vietnam views as Chinese expansionism in the South China Sea. When China parked an oil rig in contested waters last year, Vietnam upped its official anti-China rhetoric.
And anti-China rioting left at least a dozen dead, including four Taiwanese mistaken for Chinese. As tension grew, and Chinese and Vietnamese boats played a dangerous game of chicken near the rig, some in the border town of Lang Son grew worried. They feared a repeat of what happened in 1979.
"Last year, we were very frightened. We started stockpiling rice and food. I was very worried that there would be war," says Pham Thi Ky, the woman at the cemetery.
Back in 1979, she says she was forced to flee with nothing but the clothes on her back, so this time she wanted to be prepared. She even went to the bank to withdraw a large sum of money, just in case. But the bank wouldn't give it to her, apparently fearing a run.
Vietnam isn't the only one worried.
The Obama administration's "pivot toward Asia" is prompted, in part, by the idea of trying to contain China's expansionism, which has its Southeast Asian neighbors and Japan worried.
In the South China Sea, China continues to build on several disputed islands and reefs. In April, satellite photos revealed China was constructing a 2-mile-long, military-grade runway on Fiery Cross Reef, prompting howls of protest from the Philippines and Vietnam, both of which claim the island as their own.
"We think this can be solved diplomatically, but just because the Philippines or Vietnam are not as large as China doesn't mean that they can just be elbowed aside," President Obama said.
Duong Trung Quoc, a member of Vietnam's National Assembly and editor of the magazine Past & Present, says, "I think China is not only Vietnam's problem, but the world's problem right now."
Duong says he admires how China appears to be the only civilization in history to have forced its way back onto the world stage after an interregnum.
"It didn't happen with Greece, or India," he says. "But China has a chance."
Vietnamese in the northern province of Lang Son seek refuge after Chinese forces crossed the border and entered Vietnam in February 1979.
AFP/Getty Images
And that's a problem, he contends, because China still thinks the way it used to back when it was on top.
"China thinks it is at the center. The conquerer. It wants to turn everybody else into its subordinates," he says. Don't believe China, Duong says, when it appears to be playing nice. It's a trap. The Vietnamese, he says, should know.
"After the war, the Vietnamese and the Americans could reconcile. Vietnam and France can reconcile. Veterans from both sides can sit down together and talk. Vietnamese and Chinese veterans hardly ever sit down together," he says.
Why is this?
"The Vietnamese have had too much experience with the Chinese. The Vietnamese can't trust the Chinese. We've had too much practice," he adds.
Few in Vietnam's government talk so openly about the perceived threat from their northern neighbor. They're wary of igniting more protests, like those last year. And Vietnam's Communist Party still looks to China as a model of how to keep an authoritarian state in power in the Internet age. But anti-Chinese sentiment among ordinary Vietnamese continues to grow.
Vo Cao Loi lives about a mile from the South China Sea — which the Vietnamese simply call the East Sea — in the central Vietnam city of Danang, where the first U.S. combat troops landed in 1965.
He says he's a survivor of a massacre next to My Lai, one that claimed 97 lives, including his mother. He no longer considers the Americans enemies, but rather as friends. Allies, even, against Vietnam's longtime enemy. He believes the Chinese have taken something that belongs to Vietnam.
Vietnamese cross the Ky Cuong River on a temporary floating bridge in August 1979. The main bridge was destroyed by the Chinese during a brief border war several months earlier. Vietnam and China have been rivals for centuries and the friction continues to this day.
Bettmann/CORBIS
"The Spratly and Paracels (islands) are still partly occupied," he says. "Of course at some point we have to put our differences aside, but we have to get those islands back first. Because it belongs to our ancestors."
It doesn't take him long to acknowledge that probably won't happen.
"They want to spread their control. They will never give back what they took," he adds. "Vietnam wants to take it back, but the Chinese are strong. So our struggle will last a long time. How long? I can't tell."
Ask The Vietnamese About War, And They Think China, Not The U.S. : Parallels : NPR
Ask The Vietnamese About War, And They Think China, Not The U.S.
Updated May 2, 20155:42 PM ETPublished May 1, 20153:30 AM ET
ham Thi Ky (right) and her family pray at the grave of her brother-in-law, who was killed 36 years ago in the 1979 border war with China. Every year, the family goes to the cemetery on the anniversary of his death. Vietnam and China have been adversaries for centuries and the friction continues to this day.
Michael Sullivan for NPR
In one of the many war cemeteries in Lang Son, a city in northern Vietnam, Pham Thi Ky and her family light incense and offer prayers for her brother-in-law, who died 36 years ago in Vietnam's brief but bloody border war with China.
That 1979 war left more than 50,000 dead. There are other graves here, too. They fought and died against the French occupiers, then the Americans. But relative to China, those were brief battles.
No country weighs on Vietnam like China, and it has been that way for centuries. Has the conflict with China ever really ended, I ask Pham Thi Ky as she lights another candle.
"No," she says. Her daughter agrees. Her sister is even more emphatic. "It will never end. With the Chinese, how can it ever end?"
Vietnam's 2,000 year history with its northern neighbor is complex. There have been countless conflicts as well as shared culture. The Temple of Literature in Hanoi is a good example. It was built by the Vietnamese King Ly Thánh Tông in 1070 to honor the Chinese philosopher Confucius. The teachings on the walls are written in Chinese characters. China is also Vietnam's largest trading partner.
The two countries share a communist ideology shaped in part by their shared history, an ideology largely abandoned by the rest of the world. That helps explain why the 1979 border war is something neither government likes to talk about. But Nguyen Duy Thuc, a veteran of that war, is happy to.
"On the morning of the attack, February 17th, we were sleeping when the Chinese artillery started, then we all ran to our posts," he says. "Some were dressed, others didn't even have time to put their pants on, they just ran to their posts to fight."
Vietnamese forces travel toward the country's northern border during a brief, bloody war with China in 1979.
Alan Dawson/Bettmann/CORBIS
At least 200,000 Chinese troops poured into northern Vietnam all along the border. China was aiming to punish Vietnam for its invasion of Cambodia the month before to oust the Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge. There were so many Chinese attacking, Nguyen Duy Thuc remembers, that the soldiers in his bunker "fired our AK-47s until the muzzles turned red and they couldn't fire anymore."
But the Chinese kept coming; eventually his bunker was overrun. The Chinese, he says, pumped gas into the ventilation system. There were 800 people, including soldiers, women and children, who fled the fighting in his bunker, Nguyen says.
Only he and two others managed to escape. After nearly a month, the Chinese withdrew, though border clashes continued for the next decade. And Nguyen Duy Thuc hasn't forgotten. If he catches his wife trying to watch a Chinese movie, he turns it off.
Memories of that war, and the many other bouts of invasion, occupation and retaliation throughout history, color Vietnam's relationship with China.
That's especially true now, with the two countries at odds over what Vietnam views as Chinese expansionism in the South China Sea. When China parked an oil rig in contested waters last year, Vietnam upped its official anti-China rhetoric.
And anti-China rioting left at least a dozen dead, including four Taiwanese mistaken for Chinese. As tension grew, and Chinese and Vietnamese boats played a dangerous game of chicken near the rig, some in the border town of Lang Son grew worried. They feared a repeat of what happened in 1979.
"Last year, we were very frightened. We started stockpiling rice and food. I was very worried that there would be war," says Pham Thi Ky, the woman at the cemetery.
Back in 1979, she says she was forced to flee with nothing but the clothes on her back, so this time she wanted to be prepared. She even went to the bank to withdraw a large sum of money, just in case. But the bank wouldn't give it to her, apparently fearing a run.
Vietnam isn't the only one worried.
The Obama administration's "pivot toward Asia" is prompted, in part, by the idea of trying to contain China's expansionism, which has its Southeast Asian neighbors and Japan worried.
In the South China Sea, China continues to build on several disputed islands and reefs. In April, satellite photos revealed China was constructing a 2-mile-long, military-grade runway on Fiery Cross Reef, prompting howls of protest from the Philippines and Vietnam, both of which claim the island as their own.
"We think this can be solved diplomatically, but just because the Philippines or Vietnam are not as large as China doesn't mean that they can just be elbowed aside," President Obama said.
Duong Trung Quoc, a member of Vietnam's National Assembly and editor of the magazine Past & Present, says, "I think China is not only Vietnam's problem, but the world's problem right now."
Duong says he admires how China appears to be the only civilization in history to have forced its way back onto the world stage after an interregnum.
"It didn't happen with Greece, or India," he says. "But China has a chance."
Vietnamese in the northern province of Lang Son seek refuge after Chinese forces crossed the border and entered Vietnam in February 1979.
AFP/Getty Images
And that's a problem, he contends, because China still thinks the way it used to back when it was on top.
"China thinks it is at the center. The conquerer. It wants to turn everybody else into its subordinates," he says. Don't believe China, Duong says, when it appears to be playing nice. It's a trap. The Vietnamese, he says, should know.
"After the war, the Vietnamese and the Americans could reconcile. Vietnam and France can reconcile. Veterans from both sides can sit down together and talk. Vietnamese and Chinese veterans hardly ever sit down together," he says.
Why is this?
"The Vietnamese have had too much experience with the Chinese. The Vietnamese can't trust the Chinese. We've had too much practice," he adds.
Few in Vietnam's government talk so openly about the perceived threat from their northern neighbor. They're wary of igniting more protests, like those last year. And Vietnam's Communist Party still looks to China as a model of how to keep an authoritarian state in power in the Internet age. But anti-Chinese sentiment among ordinary Vietnamese continues to grow.
Vo Cao Loi lives about a mile from the South China Sea — which the Vietnamese simply call the East Sea — in the central Vietnam city of Danang, where the first U.S. combat troops landed in 1965.
He says he's a survivor of a massacre next to My Lai, one that claimed 97 lives, including his mother. He no longer considers the Americans enemies, but rather as friends. Allies, even, against Vietnam's longtime enemy. He believes the Chinese have taken something that belongs to Vietnam.
Vietnamese cross the Ky Cuong River on a temporary floating bridge in August 1979. The main bridge was destroyed by the Chinese during a brief border war several months earlier. Vietnam and China have been rivals for centuries and the friction continues to this day.
Bettmann/CORBIS
"The Spratly and Paracels (islands) are still partly occupied," he says. "Of course at some point we have to put our differences aside, but we have to get those islands back first. Because it belongs to our ancestors."
It doesn't take him long to acknowledge that probably won't happen.
"They want to spread their control. They will never give back what they took," he adds. "Vietnam wants to take it back, but the Chinese are strong. So our struggle will last a long time. How long? I can't tell."
Ask The Vietnamese About War, And They Think China, Not The U.S. : Parallels : NPR
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You of course should remember it forever to end of Vietnam, I am also very glad you remember
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On the islands of SCS, still many Vietnamese, suggest, you should prepare more land and caffin for them, the hatred between China and Vietnam can't be defused, so let it continue, right?
.On the islands of SCS, still many Vietnamese, suggest, you should prepare more land and caffin for them, the hatred between China and Vietnam can't be defused, so let it continue, right?
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President continues tour of northern mountainous provinces
VNA WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 2016 - 18:56:00
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President Truong Tan Sang meets border guards based at the Tra Linh Border Gate in Cao Bang (Photo: VNA)
Cao Bang (VNA) – President Truong Tan Sang continued his working visit to northern mountainous localities on February 17 with Cao Bang and Bac Kan provinces the latest destinations.
In Cao Bang, the State leader offered incense at Tra Linh district’s cemetery, which is the last resting place of more than 300 soldiers who laid down their lives in the war to protect the northern border in 1979.
He also visited border guards based at the Tra Linh Border Gate. They are in charge of 27km of the borderline with China, 60 border markers, four communes and one town.
He asked the border guards to advise provincial authorities about measures to facilitate the cross-border movement of goods and labour amidst growing trade relations between Vietnam and China. They should also continue solidifying peace and friendship in border communities, as well as their solidarity with local ethnic minorities.
At a working session with provincial officials, President Truong Tan Sang said Cao Bang needs to make breakthroughs to become a middle-income province and to further contribute to peace and friendship along its border.
He underlined four local advantages that should be promoted, namely cross-border economic activities, agricultural product processing, mining, and tourism. To do so, it is necessary to quickly upgrade infrastructure, including key transport facilities, to ensure the smooth transportation of goods.
In 2015, local GDP growth rate was posted at 9 percent while over 2,000ha of forest was planted - 27 percent higher than the set target, Secretary of the provincial Party Committee Nguyen Hoang Anh reported.-VNA
VNA WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 2016 - 18:56:00
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President Truong Tan Sang meets border guards based at the Tra Linh Border Gate in Cao Bang (Photo: VNA)
Cao Bang (VNA) – President Truong Tan Sang continued his working visit to northern mountainous localities on February 17 with Cao Bang and Bac Kan provinces the latest destinations.
In Cao Bang, the State leader offered incense at Tra Linh district’s cemetery, which is the last resting place of more than 300 soldiers who laid down their lives in the war to protect the northern border in 1979.
He also visited border guards based at the Tra Linh Border Gate. They are in charge of 27km of the borderline with China, 60 border markers, four communes and one town.
He asked the border guards to advise provincial authorities about measures to facilitate the cross-border movement of goods and labour amidst growing trade relations between Vietnam and China. They should also continue solidifying peace and friendship in border communities, as well as their solidarity with local ethnic minorities.
At a working session with provincial officials, President Truong Tan Sang said Cao Bang needs to make breakthroughs to become a middle-income province and to further contribute to peace and friendship along its border.
He underlined four local advantages that should be promoted, namely cross-border economic activities, agricultural product processing, mining, and tourism. To do so, it is necessary to quickly upgrade infrastructure, including key transport facilities, to ensure the smooth transportation of goods.
In 2015, local GDP growth rate was posted at 9 percent while over 2,000ha of forest was planted - 27 percent higher than the set target, Secretary of the provincial Party Committee Nguyen Hoang Anh reported.-VNA
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disguise?
oh yes, here is an example how chinese bring civilisation to Vietnam. the city of lang-son. the whole city was completely destroyed. when the PLA withdrew, your soldiers burned all infrastructures, every house, even killing all animals, poisoning the water wells.
well done.
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I sincesely advise you to read historical details of what Vietnamese govt done during 1975-1979. If I use mighty, agressive, expanionism impulse whatever phase to describe Vietnam at the time, it is not exaggarated.
In fact, Vietnam could have avoided the conflicts. Before China fought back the boarder war, China had already made seriouse warning. Vietnam had defeated mighty US, finished the unification, of course, Vietnam wouln't take seriousness of Chinese warnings. But the chance was given to you. Your mighty leaders problem who wrongly judged the international situation and Vietnam's power.
You don't forget another background, China had already started the "Reform and Open" policy in 1978, Chinese govt didn't want any war during the fast developing period. Even the goal of the war, China had declared to outsides, "stop Vietnamese expansionism in Indo-China, southern China, not in order to overturn the Vietnam govt."
This war is planed by your leader, with this invasion in to Vietnam in 1979, he would liked to show of china's new policy, to be ally with USA to counter Socialist countries in cold war,
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This war is planed by your leader, with this invasion in to Vietnam in 1979, he would liked to show of china's new policy, to be ally with USA to counter Socialist countries in cold war,
Do Vietnamese need to make any self-examination? Anything Vietnam done were perfect, those were all other's fault.
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besides staging domestic genocide, it was Cambodia that started the war against Vietnam on behalf and command from China. I advise you to read other sources than chinese propaganda.
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China still settle down 200,000 refugees from Vietnam in 1977-1979. In laws, they are still Vietnamese nationality.
They are witness of what Vietnam govt did.
About Cambodia-China relationship, I hope you can read Cambodian late Sihanouk king's books.
When, who, do what, where, and why, when you talk about a thing, mention those aspects, please.
"it was Cambodia that started the war against Vietnam on behalf and command from China."
Try again, my friend, when, who, where Cambodia started the war against Vietnam on behalf and command from China.
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Never mind the famine of 1945 caused by France and Japan, Never mind the decades of being napalmed and sprayed with potent poisons and chemicals, never mind the sanctions by the west - All you Vietnamese remember is a small border war with China that you bought upon yourselves as well as a small group of Islands that your government signed over to the PRC.
Does any Vietnamese remember that it was with help from China that the French were expelled? The French who looted and robbed from vietnam with impunity much like the Belgians destroying the Congolese people?
Vietnam sold China down river during the Sino Soviet split. Blame shitty relations on yourselves.
Does any Vietnamese remember that it was with help from China that the French were expelled? The French who looted and robbed from vietnam with impunity much like the Belgians destroying the Congolese people?
Vietnam sold China down river during the Sino Soviet split. Blame shitty relations on yourselves.
The war happened close to 40 years ago. Time to move on.
Thank my gorilla friend. King Kong's wisdom is strong in you.
Thank my gorilla friend. King Kong's wisdom is strong in you.
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They were taught in textbook,senior/junior middle school.
There is a lot of articles referring to them too.(when doing Chinese language practice)
So many times that I even think Education Department is anti-Mao.
**I'm a high school student.
Chinese young generation care less about those kinds of things,unconcerned about politics.
**According to whom have been to Cambodia,Cambodians hate viets.:p
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