Ways of improving India-Bangladesh bilateral relations?

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Cant recall now. It was some of the site while I was browsing through.

Hmmmm and whom will DMRC get the funds from? ..... Delhi metro itself is BoT... just like Dhaka Metro!!! ..... only help can be project management inputs by consultants like Shreedharan. If you are talking about Indian companies.... then .. MAYBE YES .... but DMRC by itself does not have any muscle.

You see .. not many people would like to get into such projects as the gestation period is very high.. who all are bidding in your project ?

 

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Hmmmm and whom will DMRC get the funds from? ..... Delhi metro itself is BoT... just like Dhaka Metro!!! ..... only help can be project management inputs by consultants like Shreedharan. If you are talking about Indian companies.... then .. MAYBE YES .... but DMRC by itself does not have any muscle.

You see .. not many people would like to get into such projects as the gestation period is very high.. who all are bidding in your project ?

Is it Japs who financed the Delhi BOT? or any indian company involved?
A BD company and may be couple of US company will be bidding for the project. I heard a malaysian company as well.

But there is a good possibility that the BD company will win the bid.

 

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Is it Japs who financed the Delhi BOT? or any indian company involved?
A BD company and may be couple of US company will be bidding for the project. I heard a malaysian company as well.

But there is a good possibility that the BD company will win the bid.

What do you think? .. He He He .... Japs gave part low rate loans .. but major share has been Indian government , but surprise surprise .. build and executed by Public Unit!!!!!!!! .... Whole credit goes to one single guy .. Believe me ... he makes me proud to be Indian.

Delhi's Subway Builder - Forbes.com

 

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Iaj .. u said 3Billion and 3 years .. what is the distance we are talking about here?

 

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Iaj .. u said 3Billion and 3 years .. what is the distance we are talking about here?

Here is the picture of Metro.

North to south means Narayngaj to Gajipur the distance would be 60 to 80 KM i guess.

 

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Here is the picture of Metro.

North to south means Narayngaj to Gajipur the distance would be 60 to 80 KM i guess.

Thx. You dont have any state partnership here?.... 3 Years seems too short to me for 80KM!!!...

Even your metro was discussed way back before 2000 and it took this long to plan/materialize (same as us i guess) ...and hassina is already talking about SkyRail!!!! Govt plans sky rail for Dhaka

 

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Thx. You dont have any state partnership here?.... 3 Years seems too short to me for 80KM!!!...

Even your metro was discussed way back before 2000 and it took this long to plan/materialize (same as us i guess) ...and hassina is already talking about SkyRail!!!! Govt plans sky rail for Dhaka

Hahaha.. This time its serious... Also we had to wait for the Strategic Transport Plan of Dhaka city which was recently finished. 60-80 km only the longest line running north to south. But the total length i should guess will be around 150-200KM. This is a PPP project (public private partnership). Govt will hold 20-30% share.

Sky rail is bullshit, we only got delayed another month only for Hasina to incorporate sky rail on Elevated Express Way which is just a impossible task from Engineering point of view.

If the money is mobilized properly then we should not have problem completing the project in 3 years.

They probably will mobilize army engineering corp if BD company is selected.

 

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Hahaha.. This time its serious... Also we had to wait for the Strategic Transport Plan of Dhaka city which was recently finished. 60-80 km only the longest line running north to south. But the total length i should guess will be around 150-200KM. This is a PPP project (public private partnership). Govt will hold 20-30% share.

Sky rail is bullshit, we only got delayed another month only for Hasina to incorporate sky rail on Elevated Express Way which is just a impossible task from Engineering point of view.

If the money is mobilized properly then we should not have problem completing the project in 3 years.

They probably will mobilize army engineering corp if BD company is selected.

200KM in 3 years? .. how much percentage is underground?

 

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200KM in 3 years? .. how much percentage is underground?

I am not sure.. may be 60-70%. But I have no specific data. I am just guessing that the central circular portion will be totally underground as there is no space on the ground. in the North south line there may be 40% underground and 60% above ground.

 

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I am not sure.. may be 60-70%. But I have no specific data. I am just guessing that the central circular portion will be totally underground as there is no space on the ground. in the North south line there may be 40% underground and 60% above ground.

3 years is too ambitious by any standard if you have so much underground work. Anyway .. best wishes for this project.

 

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New bridge to connect India and Bangladesh

Dawki (Meghalaya), Nov 13 (PTI) The foundation stone of a new bridge shotening the distance between India and Bangladesh was laid by Union Minister of State for Road Transport and Highways Mahadev Singh Khandela here along the international border in Meghalaya's Jaintia Hills district.

The two-lane bridge will help shorten the distance between Bangladesh and India. Heavy vehicles would be able to ply as against the light vehicles which are now allowed to go on the suspension bridge.

It will also facilitate trade, particularly movement of trucks carrying coal, officials said.

"Heavy vehicles plying to and from Bangladesh will not require to take the longer route via Jowai," the minister said.

The 165-m bridge on the Umngot river would replace the single-lane British-era suspension bridge that was built in 1932 as the overland link between the then province of East Bengal and Assam.

 

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3 years is too ambitious by any standard if you have so much underground work. Anyway .. best wishes for this project.

Bangladesh has no real experience even to build the surface rail road. Now, this country is talking about all these fancy underground and surface constructions to be completed in only 3 yrs. This is an impossible task in such a short period.

It will take more than 3 yrs to prepare even a master plan. In order to finalize a master plan, the following works must be done:

1) Selection of route, 2) Overground survey works that include not only Theodolite Transit and Levelling surveys but also the survey of all the existing facilities along the proposed route, 3) Standard Penetration Tests (SPT) to know about the Sub-surface soil conditions, and 4) Many other miscellaneous works.

Only after completion of the above works, the Structural Analysis works can be started, then the Design Drawings, and then the Construction Drawings. Construction works may start only after all these works have been completed. So, a 3 year plan is too short.

I guess, a total of 8 years will be needed to construct even a 10 km stretch of rail track laying works. However, if three teams work separately, then there can be 30 km construction during this same period.

All depends upon the thinking of people at the high level. PM certainly has little knowledge about this type of construction. She was telling after the election that BD will produce electricity from HAOR and BAOR. In Bangla the translation of hydro-elctricity is PANI-BIDDYUT. PANI is water, and BIDDYUT is electricity. Haor and Baor have water, therefore, she thought that power can be produced from those waters.

Either the govt people do not understand the gigantic task of building a train track inside a busy city, or they are making fool of the public to keep their popularity intact. This is what my honest personal opinion is about the proposed construction of a hi-fi railway system in a country, which never added 1 km of rail road after the British left and no steel factory has ever produced 1 metre length of steel rail line. Sorry to shatter some people's sweet dreams.

Perhaps, Indian design and construction companies are much able to do such a job, but their participation will certainly be politicized. I have seen photographs of a tunnel and part of a rail track in Tripura. I would say, these seemed to me perfect. In some other thread in the PDF, I have also seen how the Indian engineering companies themselves are building a long multi-span bridge over the sea. Why not give them some contract, then learn from them and do other similar jobs by ourselves!

 

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$2b project up for tender today

The Ministry of Communications is finally floating tender today for building an elevated expressway of 32.5 kilometres or more in Dhaka on a public private partnership (PPP) basis.

The Bangladesh Bridge Authority (BBA) under the ministry will receive pre-qualification documents for this $2 billion project from interested bidders till January 20.

A tender evaluation committee will select qualified bidders on the basis of several criteria and the pre-qualified bidders would then be asked to submit their bids for financing and construction of the project. The qualified bidders would arrange necessary finances for the project.

“We want to make significant progress in this project within the tenure of the government,” said Communications Minister Syed Abul Hossain.

“The traffic situation in the city is a mess. A party's popularity in Dhaka decides the party's fate in the election. So our political commitment is to make this happen within our term.”

He said, "We started the project overcoming serious difficulties. We had waived some government rules so that it does not get tangled in red-tapism."

The applicants should have experience and financing capabilities to construct expressways, toll roads and bridges on Build, Operate, Transfer (BOT) or Build, Own, Operate, Transfer (BOOT) or PPP basis with combined value of not less than $500 million over the last 12 years.

One of the criticisms of this tender process is that it lacks a feasibility report. But according to Hossain, the Strategic Transport Plan (STP) stands as a feasibility report cum a guideline for undertaking large infrastructure projects in the capital of 13 million people with a density of 6,200 persons per square kilometre. Dhaka's population is projected to double in the next 20 years.

But the STP is not exactly a feasibility report for such elevated expressway project. Framed in 2005 by Louis Berger Group, USA and Bangladesh Consultants Ltd, the STP was approved by the government in March 2008 as a strategic paper to improve the capital's transport infrastructure. The STP touches upon other large-scale concepts like subway and rapid transit systems.

“Our tender documents include a provision for the bidders to conduct their own feasibility study for this project,” the minister clarifies. “No investor would put their money in a large project like this unless s/he is sure of financial returns,” he adds.

A panel of local and foreign experts will review the feasibility studies to be submitted by the bidders, he said.

The minister argues that the project will slow down if it starts off with a feasibility study.

In the past, some projects like maglev train saw feasibility study without any result while the communication ministry had wasted money for such studies.

In the current project, the investor will design and implement the expressway to encourage public transport and high occupancy vehicle by offering preferential usage rates and also preferably by segregating exclusive bus lanes. The investor will aim at relieving traffic congestion in the city. Its design will be sensitive to environment and the society.

To pre-qualify, the investors may form consortiums and provide information about their background, history of financial performance including audit reports of the last three years and list of professional employees with resume indicating their major professional experience.

The bidder will have to show experience in general construction in the field, constructing at least 10 km of elevated expressway, constructing elevated expressway/railways in major cities with specific achievements in traffic control and diversion and utilities relocation during the execution of the construction work with a combined value of $500 million or more in the last 12 years.

 

[eastwatch]

The key to good politics or good relations is Compromise.
everyone wants India to Concede something or the other for just the chance of good relations but are not willing to compromise on anything themselves

It is not that we want concessions from India. We want only those territories, land and sea, back to our hands, which rightfully belongs to us. BD cannot make compromise on this. BD wants also to get due shares of water flowing through the common international rivers.

 

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It is not that we want concessions from India. We want only those territories, land and sea, back to our hands, which rightfully belongs to us. BD cannot make compromise on this. BD wants also to get due shares of water flowing through the common international rivers.

Rightfull or not, is for international tribune to decide. The reason its a dispute is because both parties have laid claim to it. And with no sight of mutually arrived agreement, let arbitrator decide (as been done for the sea part).