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Mam when you mix religion with nationalism or with state, masses bound to be fantasized n misled by the ppl like in Pakistan....There 're many issues why Pakistan is facing such turmoil. Pakistani leadership is to be blamed for everything thats going wrong in their country, most of 'em were dictators (sometimes guised as democratically elected leaders); from Bhutto to ZuH to Musharraf and NS not one leader has his hands clean. Any decision which had religion stamped on it was never questioned by Pakistani populace.
I would be completely wrong if I assume partition happened for our good. What if muslim league had not gathered so much support (let me remind you muslim league did not get much support before the war ), and what if great Calcutta killings had not taken place? May be the hindu-muslim who were living peacefully till then would 've remained united for long.
Kashmir issue is the biggest proof that partition had pushed India and Pak into a perpetual war like state. We could've avoided partition for it was not required at all.
I see Pakistanis in the same light as I see punjabis in India, they're easy to provoke.Mam when you mix religion with nationalism or with state, masses bound to be fantasized n misled by the ppl like in Pakistan....
Not everything can be blamed upon politicians of that time ...... Who voted to Bhutto to current Nawaz , Pakistani only naah..... Pakistan population are simply paying the price of it as we had during MMS regime.....
Muslim league gathered the support from same class of today extremist who migrate to other country n demands sharia n other Islamic laws ..... Sooner or later league n their sympathizers would have brought religious tailed demands with exemption from common laws imposed on rest of populace in undivided india if had not been partitioned....
Then why we even today advocating UCC for every citizens in our country?
Mam their(Muslim migrated) loyalty lies with religion not with motherland whereas those Muslim who still believed in the idea of India stayed back n now reaping the fruit of sustainable n matured democracy though we too have many issues here still on right track....
Peaceful coexistence is what Pakistan n its ppl need to learn else you know ....
I would've had no any problem with even league coming up with unjustifiable demands until no bloodshed however unfortunately that didn't happen ... N now certainly for same reason of avoiding more bloodshed I believe partitioned was a best possible solution for India n its future else our whole energy would have gone into keeping the nation united....
I see Pakistanis in the same light as I see punjabis in India, they're easy to provoke.
I dont know if they 're hard wired that way. Even if they had belonged to a different religion , the reaction would 've been the same.
I do believe that under Britishers ppl on the Indian sub continent had united to fight for a common cause called freedom, had there been no 2 nation theory, Indians (pre independence) would 've fought sectarian forces more fiercely. If there was no partition, may be we would've never required minority appeasement.
Thats an assumption!If India stays united there would have been riots and low intensity wars.
Muslims were silent in united India because the empire was in the name of Islam Mughal.
They do not live under Kafir regime, you have no idea of Islam and the way these guys want to live.
Thats an assumption!
What if there was no muslim league or there was no 2 nation theory?
Remember it was it Iqbal who wrote the patriotic song "saare jahan se accha Hindoostan hamar" ?
The number 2 reason is also a myth, because it was not just Muslims who wanted Pakistan, but without Hindu leaders actions, partition would be impossible to achieve as is shown in the OP of this thread and confirmed by some Indian posters. In any narrative, the responsibility of a result usually goes to the dominant entity and so it is quite logical that Hindu leaders held the upper hand in making the decisions that had the most influence in the ultimate outcome. Of course Jinnah and Muslim League leaders played an important role, but partition could not have happened without any role from Hindu leaders.
Now a days, we hear justification for the partition, that it was the greatest thing, but the fact remains that this region is not in peace, India is nervous about Bangladesh and India is in a direct nuclear stand-off with Pakistan and in a perpetual arms race. Pakistan as a 7 times smaller state cannot compete by itself alone, so naturally they bring in powers from outside the region to balance the threat. It used to be the US, now increasingly it is China.
And then from Pakistani's and Bangladeshi’s we hear that we cannot go back under Hindu hegemony, they will kill us like they did in Gujarat. The fallacy in that statement is that we are already living under Hindu hegemony, not from within the border at least in case of Pakistan, but from just outside the border. The only possible way South Asian Muslims can hope to balance the threat is by having a bigger say and influence in the decision making in Delhi, and what is the best possible way to achieve this?
From Indian Hindus we hear that these Muslims are extremists and terrorists, their real loyalty is either in Mecca or in Qom.
According to the large systems hypothesis, now that we created our own Muslim majority space in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the next logical step that follows is that we will integrate these states with other Muslim regions. Pakistan can join with Iran, Turkey and Central Asia and perhaps the Arab world, when they get their act together, while Bangladesh can join Muslim dominated ASEAN or be allied with it. I actually explored a little to see what are the chances that these outcomes will become true. My findings are that there is very little chance that any of this will happen. Mainly because both Pakistan and Bangladesh have no major history with these regions, the only connection is that we have similar religion, that is all. But Iran’s Shia religion is not even similar to Sunni majority Pakistan, so that is another big stumbling block. And for Bangladesh, I can just mention how the Rohingya’s are treated by Myanmar people, just as a sample of how non-Muslim South East Asians feel about South Asians.
Jinnah was a secular and a kind person. He felt bad for the Hindus.
Some of us Muslims are easy to fool. Look how so many Indian Muslims still vote for parties like AAP, COngress,SP etc. When they have a genuine leader if the form of Owaisi saheb
Btw Bangladeshis are welcome in India. . Last time checked more 60 million live in here.
LOL in that case, let's live a littleShe should be. Draupadi had 5 husbands.
You're talking of the present, while I was talking of the past. In the past there were no such issues in this region. So had there been no partition then ppl would 've carried on with their lives sans any communal violence.Why is Pakistan do not have considerable Hindu population and the business of Hindus, Sikhs and other minorities taken over forcefully by aggressive bullying?
Why are Hindu girls abducted, raped and converted?
They have these patterns of how to dominate in the name of sharia, halal. Their prophet has demonstrated how it has to be done in Yatrib. They have these tactics of forcing the other religions in the name of Islam. Simply put together they will not sleep until the land becomes a part of Ummah, which is the same attitude we see in Pakistani army.
Sindh has considerable Hindu population today after 67 years of state sponsored conversion drive we see non of them left, those guys who are left are queuing up to get Indian visas and citizenship. These guys live under constant fear.
When they see Hindu temples or Kafirs they curse privately, when in majority they subjugate. This attitude is the result of intolerance taught by their books. Majority feel allergic to Kafirs.
These guys faltered in that process and now do these rants and wage asymmetric warfare. A clap happens when two hands co ordinate.
Yes, I know about it too.The same Iqbal advocated for separate Muslims state to consolidate Muslims and gain strength. The idea is to conquer India after that.
Thanks for the links!@levina
Please read these two articles
Imagining Pakistan as an Islamic state
Creating a new Medina - The Hindu