Was Jinnah secular or not?

[Fawad alam]

You have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and the equality of manhood in your own native soil.

Pakistan should be made on pure foundations of social justice and Islamic Socialism.. Not other isms

Muhammad Ali Jinnah

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

india is secular it's constitution gives equal right to everyone .

Do Muslims have rights to sacrifice Cow?

 

[merzifonlu]

What is Islamic Democracy?

 

[padamchen]

By the volume and frequency of such threads off late on PDF my finger on the Pakistani pulse tells me that a growing section of Pakistan is going secular in its its worldview.

This for them meshes well with the fact that their enemy is doing exactly the opposite. So it works perfectly on that score as well (in/not India).

I've said it before, these things are cyclical and meshed intricately with a lot of other things like internal security and the economy.

It will be rare to find both masses of people at around the same point in the pendulum swing, regardless of whether they're going up or coming down. Such is the nature of social dynamics.

On topic, Jinnah was a true Muslim. And I've never met a truly secular Muslim.

When in doubt, look to the non Muslim spouse.

If he or she maintains their faith, you have a non practicing Muslim. Not a secular one.

 

[Aswaklanta D]

He clever politician. Use religion for power and success in doing it. In personal life he not islamic, drinking, daughter marry non Muslim not big problem for him.
Like our pm Modi and subramnim swamy.

 

[padamchen]

He clever politician. Use religion for power and success in doing it. In personal life he not islamic, drinking, daughter marry non Muslim not big problem for him.
Like our pm Modi and subramnim swamy.

His daughter left him. They were estranged ever since Ruttie left Jinnah.

For all intents, she grew up as a Parsi and died as one.

 

[Naofumi]

On topic, Jinnah was a true Muslim. And I've never met a truly secular Muslim.

Ye kya baat hui? I am secular, am I not?

 

[Nefarious]

I don't know why people want to put labels on things.

You can go to your Mosques, Churches, Temples etc in this ISLAMIC Republic and under any Islamic type rule.

A country founded primarily for subcontinent Muslims to live their lives freely as Muslims with minorities who are also free to practice their faiths.

Call it what you want, get over the labels, it's just a play by people in pain due to separation from alien gangetic plane.

 

[padamchen]

Ye kya baat hui? I am secular, am I not?

If you marry a Hindu girl, will you keep a mandir at home for her and not insist she convert and change her name to a Muslim one, even for show for parents, aunts and family?

 

[shah_123]

Did you listen and read what Jinnah said in his speech on 11th August, 1947 ?

Jinnah spoke of his vision of Pakistan in his address to the Pakistan Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947.

He spoke first of the ?cyclonic revolution?? which had created two independent sovereign dominions. Then he told the people of Pakistan, ?You are free; you are free to go to your temples, your are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed ? that has nothing to do with the business of the State. We are starting in the days when there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State?I think we should keep in front of us our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.??

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/was-jinnah-secular-or-not.667930/page-2#post-12358738

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/was-jinnah-secular-or-not.667930/page-2#post-12358696

What Jinnah said in 11 August speech is very clear --- some confused souls tried to create controversies --- Jinnah himself responded to such people:

"I cannot understand the logic of those who have been deliberately and mischievously propagating that the Constitution of Pakistan will not be based on Islamic Sharia. Islamic principles today are as much applicable to life as they were 1300 years ago."

Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Speech to Karachi Bar Association, January 25th, 1948.
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Bring the speech/quote where he said that Pakistan will be a secular state or Pakistan will not be an Islamic state.

 

[Naofumi]

If you marry a Hindu girl, will you keep a mandir at home for her and not insist she convert and change her name to a Muslim one, even for show for parents, aunts and family?

Not sure about the mandir thing (may give in it too) but I think a Hindu name and being officially Hindu is fine.

 

[padamchen]

I don't know why people want to put labels on things.

You can go to your Mosques, Churches, Temples etc in this ISLAMIC Republic and under any Islamic type rule.

A country founded primarily for subcontinent Muslims to live their lives freely as Muslims with minorities who are also free to practice their faiths.

Call it what you want, get over the labels, it's just a play by people in pain due to separation from alien gangetic plane.

Why did the vast overwhelming majority of non Hindu non Muslim denizens of undivided India choose their future with India over Pakistan?

Im from a family on my father's side that were equally spread between Pakistan and India btw.

Only one uncle stayed back in Lahore.

They left Pakistan in the late 60s and early 70s.

 

[Aswaklanta D]

His daughter left him. They were estranged ever since Ruttie left Jinnah.

For all intents, she grew up as a Parsi and died as one.

But he not stop her. He was powerful person. He easily can stop if he wanted.
So I think he not have problem about daughter married to other religion.
But to saving political face, he let her go to India and cut relation in public.

 

[padamchen]

Not sure about the mandir thing (may give in it too) but I think a Hindu name and being officially Hindu is fine.

Shes a Hindu. She has to pray bete. Shes grown up praying in front of a small mandir at her home.

 

[JonAsad]

india is secular it's constitution gives equal right to everyone .

Indian constitution is secular, hindus are not.