Don't want to repeat myself, here is what i have written so far:
This thread shows the intellectual level of some people quite good actually. Raptor initiates by a very harsh introduction which is of course not preferable while Kemalists defend every single policy of Kemal which again shows their level of ignorance. Though there are some valid points.
Firstly, Kemal had many flaws in his way of conducting government, and many flaws in his revolutions (herein crippled Kurdish rights, and seeing Islam as a disease).
Secondly, Kemalists still have many flaws of seeing Kemal as the ultimate human being that is not reachable for anyone person neither today nor tomorrow. How can a university graduate or student see a hsitorical person who was a drunkard that way is beyond my comprehension. I must say he was visionary but he was not a "demigod" as Kemalists like to think.
The problem with Kemalists is that they can't get past their locked way of thinking. Herein, thinking that he was the ultimate being, that a single criticism of him is unspeakable. Phrases like “One Turk equals the whole world.” shows the extreme arrogance and racism for these people to. I have countless of times tried to reason with these nutcases, but as many decent persons have witnessed it is impossible to reason with fanatics.
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...h-against-ottoman-empire-4.html#ixzz1xOMgMbGO
I don't defend people who call Mustafa Kemal a british spy. As you can rad at my above post i said it is very wrong for him to introduce a thread by Calling him a spy, which i don't think he was. But while criticizing the one side, we shouldn't forget the other side. There are realities in Turkey, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Reality 1: Kurds have been alienated for a long time with not giving them their most basic rights.
2: Not allowing headscarf into university is a very harsh reality. And no one should come here and tell me that it wasn't people who call themselves Kemalists who did this to our country.
And yes those who are afraid to critsize a single fact of Mustafa Kemal are fanatics. If you do that, you say he was a dictator if you don't then we can start talking about learning from our past for a better future.
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...h-against-ottoman-empire-4.html#ixzz1xOMqJd9C
If you think my family and my religious belief is more important than Turkey and Mustafa Kemal, why not? I am open to constructive critisicim of any kind buddy. As long as it does not harrass me and curse me. But i think solving our nations problems are more imperative than my personal life, don't you agree?
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...h-against-ottoman-empire-4.html#ixzz1xOMtThGo
You people know deep inside that what i am talking about is true, you just don't want to admit it. Doing some historical analysis one will come to this conclusion: Mustafa Kemal was a revolutionary leader, but it was not optimal for a conservative country to abolish and alienate religion. Because, as we can see today it backfired.
We can learn (and we are learning day by day) that past mistakes should not be repeated. Giving Kurdish rights, allowing women with scarf any access to everywhere, and respecting every minority and religion is the way forward. Because discrimination begets hatred and you know that very well.
I have no doubt that every single Turkish person would give their life to protect their country, but what are we protecting? If we are not protecting our culture and historical identity then what is our function? We are our history and our culture, and our history is and has always been integrated with Islamic values, whether you like it or not.
Let's put some common ground here and all agree on some points:
1: Women should be free to wear scarf in Universities and when pursuing their dream
2: Kurds should be given their rights as a minority and we should respect them and their culture, language etc
3: Past grievances should light our future in avoiding the same mistakes.
Respecting a nation's citizens its rights is the correct path. Anyone disagreeing with this should double check himself.
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...h-against-ottoman-empire-5.html#ixzz1xOMzGp71