Was Ataturk spy for British against Ottoman Empire?

[VelocuR]

Frankly Ottoman lifestyle was nothing great by modern standards - it was a Taliban type regime... Attaturk came and flipped it wherever he could. The only thing I disagree with is the enforcement of this 'flipping' rather than sticking to just encouragement - and I think more than Attaturk, his successors enforced such ideals.

I think a middle path was needed, but who knows maybe some danda (stick) was required to change Turkey - See Pakistan we still have regressive tribal areas, and their lifestyles are nothing great by modern standards.

Ultimately Turkey today found the balance between western and Islamic life and we haven't. So who was ultimately better off?

Founding fathers are such, they do some revolutionary things for the country despite their personal flaws. You have to compare him with the Khalifah of that time, not with modern standards of freedom/equality.

Absolutely, middle path was exactly balance perfect tool for Pakistan. I am not saying Pakistan should be Khalifah or someone. I disagree with Mullahs even criticize them as well as West. Turkey is all about Ataturkism full doctrines, they get emotional, angry insulting, bad attitudes easy just like extremists did similar. Unfortunately intolerances on both sides.

I would still to say, it is hard to find tough middle path which is unsuccessful for Pakistan past years but we will change alot better in hundred years experiments from now.

 

[twilight]

twilight who is that monkey on your avatar?

as I excepted , pan turks can only insulat to others .... and why you become angry !? this is because I repeated your hero words !?

“Happy is he who calls himself a Turk.”

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...h-against-ottoman-empire-2.html#ixzz1xNVhwzsU

well , If I was turk , I would be happy as a turk . but know I am happy because I'm Iranian .... this is natural matter ....

“One Turk equals the whole world.”

arrogance and racist ideology ....

“Turkey belongs to the Turks.”

and that why we change our country name from "Persia" to " Iran" , to avoid some racist idea and behaviors ....

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I really don't care about Ataturk , the problem is that After Reza Shah meet turkey and Ataturk , he tried to copy turkey systems to Iran and after that , he ruined our country .... he fall from a natinal hero to an useless dictator who people stop supporting him and he ran and died in foreign country ....

 

[Deno]

and that why we change our country name from "Persia" to " Iran" , to avoid some racist idea and behaviors ....

do you have any information about Iran's history?

Persian is a name given to local people of Iran by Greeks. In ancient times Persia was called Eran by local people.

 

[Mosamania]

and that why we change our country name from "Persia" to " Iran" , to avoid some racist idea and behaviors ....

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Apparently that did not work very well now did it??

 

[Quasar]

apparently this is a very fun thread! Yes for sure M.Kemal was a british agent and this is why crickt is the most popular game in Turkiye and english is alomst like a second offical language in my country.

and dear twity I am not a pan Turk! I am pan the peter!

and guys.. thanks for entertaining people with such a thread!

 

[twilight]

do you have any information about Iran's history?

Persian is a name given to local people of Iran by Greeks. In ancient times Persia was called Eran by local people.

I know it better than you , but the problem is that we could call it "Pars" instead of "Persia" but we decide to call it Iran and Iran is general name for our country land ....

Eran Shahr empire was Sassanian empire name ..... In Iran , kings always call country by their kingdom name not by land them , for example , kingdom of qajar , kindom of Safavid , kingdom of Samani and ....


for another example , I can use Saudi Arabia , and Al Saud see the Hejaz land as their private kingdom and call the it as kngdom of all Sauds ...

Apparently that did not work very well now did it??

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3037070#ixzz1xNbfKAxG

we didn't kill anyone by these excuse that " Iran belong to Iranian " or " Pars belong to Parsis"

 

[kobiraaz]

someone told me before war as a young officer Ataturk was given capital punishment by the Caliph but was forgiven! What is the story?

 

[Deno]

apparently this is a very fun thread! Yes for sure M.Kemal was a british agent and this is why crickt is the most popular game in Turkiye and english is alomst like a second offical language in my country.

and dear twity I an not pan Turk! I am pan the peter!

and guys.. thanks for entertaining people with such a thread!

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[Targon]

There is nothing to be criticize here, if you want to criticize, then do it for whole period because it was the time of nationalism and national states.

 

[kobiraaz]

is this quote authentic?
"The situation now is that Turkey is dead and will never rise again, because we have destroyed it's moral strength, the Khilafah and Islam" - lord curzon, british parliament

 

[TrMhMt]

@RaptorRX707

"murdering some 40,000 Kurds in Dersim in 1937 and 1938"

OMG !!! This is a proof that you are extremely ignorant dude. In that time period Ataturk was sick even he was dying. That incident wasn't fault of Ataturk. Who killed that people you know very well. I dont want to talk about that murderers coz i dont want argue with my people here. Even i sometimes can't blame my country coz my people revolted against regime and murdered 33 innocent Turkish soldiers who were just 19-20 years old.

Seyit Rıza was the head of rebels and got help from France and UK. Imperialists, they always used/using my people towards Turkiye. Those imperialists always provoke my people even today.

I can see that you speak the same language of Imperialists and terrorist pkk. You are poisoning me and my people against my country no doubt. Even i can see your sources are from those imperialists who got a kick from Ataturk and they are having that but-hurt now. I am proud of being a Kurd. I am proud of being a Turkish citizen. I am proud of my country's founder Ataturk. If today i can live independently, i owe Ataturk and his brave people. We fought against imperialism at Gallipoli, Urfa, Maras, Kars together, shoulder to shoulder for our independence. Your tongue is venom and venom is water for me. I drink it just i do daily.

Respect our people. Respect our leaders. Respect our regime. Respect my country and do not try to defend me and my people. We Kurds can defend ourselves.

 

[Musalman]

Please ppl two wrongs does not make one right. Both Mustafah Kemal and Imam Khominie are heros of their ppl. Calling them agent or a monkey is uncalled for. Please chill

 

[TrMhMt]

@twilight

Tell us how do you call Turks and Kurds in Iran? You call Turks as "Donkey" and for Kurds "cockroach" ... We know who is arrogant and racist ???

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Please ppl two wrongs does not make one right. Both Mustafah Kemal and Imam Khominie are heros of their ppl. Calling them agent or a monkey is uncalled for. Please chill

It would be interesting to know how many Iranians really consider Khomeini as their hero.

 

[TurAr]

Have any of you tried to report this thread instead of feeding the trolls?