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ISLAMABAD / LAHORE:
Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan appeared before an election tribunal on Saturday and shared evidence of rigging in the National Assembly constituency of NA-122 during last year’s general elections.


This is the same constituency from where Imran Khan contested the election. Official results showed Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz’s (PML-N) Sardar Ayaz Sadiq as the winner with 93,389 votes against Imran’s 84,517 votes.

In July 2013, Imran filed a petition before the tribunal, alleging that massive rigging had taken place in the constituency.

Imran told the tribunal – headed by Justice Kazim Ali Malik – that Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz supporters forced his party’s polling agents to leave the polling stations without examining the election and counting process.

“The PTI polling agents were not handed over attested copies of [the] election result and some persons forcibly got their signatures on blank papers,” he said, adding that the PTI agents also received death threats.

“Meanwhile, the PML-N in collaboration with presiding officers and returning officers (ROs) manoeuvred the election results,” Imran said.

He appealed to the tribunal to call for production of the documents. “Inspection of record is necessary for collection of evidence. All the evidences of rigging are in the ballot bags of NA-122,” he said.

During the course of proceedings, Ayaz Sadiq’s counsel also cross-examined the PTI chief. The counsel asked Imran to explain why it had moved the petition before the tribunal some two months after the election.

The PTI chief replied that it took time to record the statements of the polling agents and to collect evidence. “Moreover, I had got injured and it was not possible for me to file an election petition immediately,” he added. After recording the statement, the tribunal adjourned the hearing till December 8, when it is likely to announce its judgment.

Later the PTI chief told media that he had provided the tribunal with evidence and that it is up to the tribunal to issue directives for the opening of bags and collection of further evidence of rigging.

“After inspection of record, everyone will know what happened in the elections,” he said, adding that if he were in Ayaz Sadiq’s place, he would not bother to get his ballot bags recounted.

Earlier, the tribunal dismissed an application of Ayaz’s counsel, seeking disqualification of the PTI witnesses. Ayaz’s counsel had said the attestation of documents describing duties of election agents was bogus as it was attested by a fake oath commissioner.

‘Faisalabad will have to sacrifice’

Talking to reporters after holding a meeting with traders’ associations from 50 markets of Lahore at PTI’s Lahore office, Imran Khan said Faisalabad will have to give its sacrifice one day for bringing about a lasting change.

“Faisalabad will have to face a one-day closure. Factories are also closing due to inflation. We are fighting for the people’s right. We will not force anybody to close business in Faisalabad but those who are against the policies of the government will support our call,” he said.

“Transporters have decided to support our call of shutdown and they will not ply any transport on Monday in Faisalabad. The district bar council has also decided to support us,” Imran added.

Imran, however, also called upon the government to pick up the threads of negotiation from where it had left off.

“Everything other than [the PTI’s demand for] resignation of [Prime Minister] Nawaz Sharif had been finalised in the negotiations.

“We have withdrawn that demand and now the dialogue should start from where it broke off. A joint commission and joint investigation team should be formed to probe the rigging allegation,” he said.

Later addressing his supporters at his sit-in in Islamabad, Imran said the PML-N’s lawyers always claim that he has not submitted evidence of rigging. “If you have not done rigging, then why are you hiding behind stay orders?” said Imran questioning Sadiq.

Talking with reference to his call for shutdown, Imran said: “The PML-N is really scared.”

Published in The Express Tribune, December 7th, 2014.
Vote fraud charges: Open ballot bags, see the fraud, says Imran – The Express Tribune

I was on a wedding yesterday and it seemed in the meantime, dozens of PDF members had fun accusing Imran Khan for not providing any evidence for rigging in past elections. Well, its obvious by now that he has NO evidence to present as those 4 accused constituencies have not been probed so far. His argument is that evidence of systematic rigging is inside the polling bags, and tribunal court is asking SHOW US THE EVIDENCE? :D
Has entire judiciary of Pakistan gone mad? Is this the way they treat every rigging case? When a defeated candidate goes to court for justice, judges say; show us the evidence, and when he says its inside the polling bags, count them up, courts just dismiss his case for not providing any evidence? What kind of kangaroo court and justice "system" is this? :D
This cannot go on for ever and Imran Khan must shut down entire country to stop this kind of nonsense for ever! Total number of all votes casted in any election in any constituency should be made readily available in court of law as needed because it come under PEOPLE'S RIGHT FOR INFORMATION in a democratic society. And if one needs forehand PROOF to be able to do just that, then this bogus judicial system should be discarded before tomorrow as it makes a mockery of the very term called: JUSTICE! :D


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When the two dharnas began in Islamabad, Aitzaz Ahsan clearly told the members of the National Assembly that there had been rigging in the elections, and nobody challenged him.

Amazingly, with such a stunning revelation on the floor of the National Assembly, nobody asked for investigations.

Do none of our esteemed politicians care about setting right the very basis of the democracy? If not, every kind of protest should be launched to etch into the collective memory that electoral fraud will not be tolerated.
 
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When the two dharnas began in Islamabad, Aitzaz Ahsan clearly told the members of the National Assembly that there had been rigging in the elections, and nobody challenged him.

Amazingly, with such a stunning revelation on the floor of the National Assembly, nobody asked for investigations.

Do none of our esteemed politicians care about setting right the very basis of the democracy? If not, every kind of protest should be launched to etch into the collective memory that electoral fraud will not be tolerated.

Fake Pakistani parliamentarians were badly exposed when they brought their own personal matters against each other on floor of the House while Pakistani State institutions were under siege by thousands of protesters from PAT and PTI:

These so-called esteemed politicians are nothing but professional liars, who would do anything to keep their rigged seat. They are not in PTI who would leave their elected seat voluntarily for a good cause.
 
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That speech by Aitzaz Ahsan was painful to watch!
I wish he were as passionate about giving a befitting response to massive electoral fraud as he is to accusations against himself!
 
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That speech by Aitzaz Ahsan was painful to watch!
I wish he were as passionate about giving a befitting response to massive electoral fraud as he is to accusations against himself!
Although Aitzaz Ahsan is a very old senior politician of PPP, he too has got his ZAMEER turned off by the prevailing status quo. In a way he stopped PMLN's removal by backing them up in the parliament, and by doing so, he is expecting similar back up when they are in power after elections 2018. This rigged game is going to change once PTI is gone through election tribunals and probed every constituency for voter-fraud.
 
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Fake Pakistani parliamentarians were badly exposed when they brought their own personal matters against each other on floor of the House while Pakistani State institutions were under siege by thousands of protesters from PAT and PTI:

These so-called esteemed politicians are nothing but professional liars, who would do anything to keep their rigged seat. They are not in PTI who would leave their elected seat voluntarily for a good cause.

Well, I am still surprised how people like you live and enjoy the Western democratic and human opinion friendly lifestyle, while you focus on supporting these extremist based ideiologies like IK has, which can turn the youth of Pakistan into another 20 year violent cycle like the one you are getting over with Taliban.
Poeple need to learn tolerance and patience. Leaders teach that to their followers. But here, I am surprised to see people living in the West supporting violence.

In the video above: ALL political rivals have differences and they are blame each other for everything. BUT...it happens on the floor of the Assembly, Parliament, Senate or whatever other law making bodies you may have. That's called democracy and you have a forum to raise your voice peacefully and end up in the middle that benefits you and the other. BUT the country doesn't go backwards. It goes forward. Here, in the video, even with historic rivalry going many deacades before IK's politics ever existed, both the PPP and NS's party, even with differences, clearly supported the system and worked together for the sake of the country and its future. WHILE, IK was too busy RIGHT OUTSIDE the SAME parliament that he was a member of....and he was instigating violence against the system (treason and terrorism, both apply here).

Here's the real exposure as to how much lying IK's team has been doing. Yesterday, when he was asked by the court on proofs, here were his stance:
1) I don't remember ANYTHING, I was injured on my head and forgot about "people" who were actually supposed to be the evidence, who saw false rigging happening.
Well, Mr. IK, allow me to tell you something about Brain Injuries and Amnesia.....you forget everything for that time frame and then it comes back to you. Here, you remember to "accuse" others but forgot WHY you were accusing others? Lick-man and the owner of ARY tv last week apologized to the court that they had no witness or proof and that they were JUST doing propaganda!!! Head injusy by IK, term propaganda and apology by Lick-man and the owner of ARY news....that should be enough to forgive all the violence, dead people, billions of loss to the country??? HOW convenient it is for IK and his team to make a total fool out of the innocent Pakistanis!!

2) The second stance that IK had was "open the bags and you'll see the proof".....however, he DOESN'T know if anyone SAW the rigging. LOL, so wait, God told him that there was rigging and in the bags too???

This is shameful lying and has brought the entire country to a halt for a while. This blatant and disgusting lying should be punished by years in prison time as many innocents lost their lives for these liars and hundreds got injured, not to mention the billions lost!!!
 
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Well, I am still surprised how people like you live and enjoy the Western democratic and human opinion friendly lifestyle, while you focus on supporting these extremist based ideiologies like IK has, which can turn the youth of Pakistan into another 20 year violent cycle like the one you are getting over with Taliban.
Poeple need to learn tolerance and patience. Leaders teach that to their followers. But here, I am surprised to see people living in the West supporting violence.

In the video above: ALL political rivals have differences and they are blame each other for everything. BUT...it happens on the floor of the Assembly, Parliament, Senate or whatever other law making bodies you may have. That's called democracy and you have a forum to raise your voice peacefully and end up in the middle that benefits you and the other. BUT the country doesn't go backwards. It goes forward. Here, in the video, even with historic rivalry going many deacades before IK's politics ever existed, both the PPP and NS's party, even with differences, clearly supported the system and worked together for the sake of the country and its future. WHILE, IK was too busy RIGHT OUTSIDE the SAME parliament that he was a member of....and he was instigating violence against the system (treason and terrorism, both apply here).

Here's the real exposure as to how much lying IK's team has been doing. Yesterday, when he was asked by the court on proofs, here were his stance:
1) I don't remember ANYTHING, I was injured on my head and forgot about "people" who were actually supposed to be the evidence, who saw false rigging happening.
Well, Mr. IK, allow me to tell you something about Brain Injuries and Amnesia.....you forget everything for that time frame and then it comes back to you. Here, you remember to "accuse" others but forgot WHY you were accusing others? Lick-man and the owner of ARY tv last week apologized to the court that they had no witness or proof and that they were JUST doing propaganda!!! Head injusy by IK, term propaganda and apology by Lick-man and the owner of ARY news....that should be enough to forgive all the violence, dead people, billions of loss to the country??? HOW convenient it is for IK and his team to make a total fool out of the innocent Pakistanis!!

2) The second stance that IK had was "open the bags and you'll see the proof".....however, he DOESN'T know if anyone SAW the rigging. LOL, so wait, God told him that there was rigging and in the bags too???

This is shameful lying and has brought the entire country to a halt for a while. This blatant and disgusting lying should be punished by years in prison time as many innocents lost their lives for these liars and hundreds got injured, not to mention the billions lost!!!

Orangzaib Sahib, there are media reports which clearly indicate that, in connection with NA-122, Imran Khan brought in no less than 15 witnesses as evidence of rigging.
NA-122 rigging: Imran records statement at election tribunal – The Express Tribune

When you combine this with the fact that nobody in Pakistan denies lots of rigging took place in this last election, and the former additional secretary of the ECP has publically admitted as much, then this is a very strong case for opening the ballot bags and investigating, don't you think?
 
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Well, I am still surprised how people like you live and enjoy the Western democratic and human opinion friendly lifestyle, while you focus on supporting these extremist based ideiologies like IK has, which can turn the youth of Pakistan into another 20 year violent cycle like the one you are getting over with Taliban.
Poeple need to learn tolerance and patience. Leaders teach that to their followers. But here, I am surprised to see people living in the West supporting violence.

In the video above: ALL political rivals have differences and they are blame each other for everything. BUT...it happens on the floor of the Assembly, Parliament, Senate or whatever other law making bodies you may have. That's called democracy and you have a forum to raise your voice peacefully and end up in the middle that benefits you and the other. BUT the country doesn't go backwards. It goes forward. Here, in the video, even with historic rivalry going many deacades before IK's politics ever existed, both the PPP and NS's party, even with differences, clearly supported the system and worked together for the sake of the country and its future. WHILE, IK was too busy RIGHT OUTSIDE the SAME parliament that he was a member of....and he was instigating violence against the system (treason and terrorism, both apply here).

Here's the real exposure as to how much lying IK's team has been doing. Yesterday, when he was asked by the court on proofs, here were his stance:
1) I don't remember ANYTHING, I was injured on my head and forgot about "people" who were actually supposed to be the evidence, who saw false rigging happening.
Well, Mr. IK, allow me to tell you something about Brain Injuries and Amnesia.....you forget everything for that time frame and then it comes back to you. Here, you remember to "accuse" others but forgot WHY you were accusing others? Lick-man and the owner of ARY tv last week apologized to the court that they had no witness or proof and that they were JUST doing propaganda!!! Head injusy by IK, term propaganda and apology by Lick-man and the owner of ARY news....that should be enough to forgive all the violence, dead people, billions of loss to the country??? HOW convenient it is for IK and his team to make a total fool out of the innocent Pakistanis!!

2) The second stance that IK had was "open the bags and you'll see the proof".....however, he DOESN'T know if anyone SAW the rigging. LOL, so wait, God told him that there was rigging and in the bags too???

This is shameful lying and has brought the entire country to a halt for a while. This blatant and disgusting lying should be punished by years in prison time as many innocents lost their lives for these liars and hundreds got injured, not to mention the billions lost!!!
Instead of writing such a long post you have just simply said that Imran Khan needs serious psychiatric help :lol:
 
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Instead of writing such a long post you have just simply said that Imran Khan needs serious psychiatric help :lol:
So do millions of his lunatic followers. Only those who do not abide by his call are perfectly normal humans :D
 
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Instead of writing such a long post you have just simply said that Imran Khan needs serious psychiatric help :lol:

I think I have said the same thing in the same manner you've outlined it. The long post isn't without purpose if you go read it and pay attention. For IK, I have just a few words, the guy is Bi-Polar with Hypo Mania and Paranoia. Any psychiatric watching his speeches and actions can literally declare that. There are many senior level people inside Pakistan who have said the same thing I am saying....

However, my long post provides some input into the democratic process. Giving explanations from how we from a democratic system see this mess, can help others inside an undemocratic system like the one IK's created.

So if my details change one person's mind and make them disagree to hard core, violent stance and extremism that Ik brings through his agenda, I think my time and work here is well worth it.

So do millions of his lunatic followers. Only those who do not abide by his call are perfectly normal humans :D

When someone tells you jump off the building so he could get some benefit off of your injuries or life getting in danger, would you do it???

Similarly, anyone saying no to extremism and hard core stance is actually perfectly normal. Civilized, educated and normal people don't ask or bring violence to the table. They discuss and negotiate their issues out and work as a team for the nation's better future.

Here, IK brings hard core, violent stance on everything, his version of these protests and civil unrest is anti-system, anti-Pakistani and has killed many innocents with hundreds injured. Disagreeing with such violence is naturally VERY normal.
 
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Firstly, shutting down the country will achieve just what? Economic activity will be affected and Pakistan will lose hundreds of crores per day. The ordinary Pakistani will be put to a lot of inconvenience as transport will be off the roads.

Secondly, why doesn't Pakistan use electronic voting machines that cannot be rigged, like India which has been using them during the past many elections without any hassles?
 
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Secondly, why doesn't Pakistan use electronic voting machines that cannot be rigged, like India which has been using them during the past many elections without any hassles?
Because we, the stupid pakistanis, can afford to waste many crore rupees on rigging aftermath but cannot buy functional electronic voting machines :D
 
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if bags opened, pmln politics will be doomed forever !
Just like in other constituencies where recounting was done and PMLN actually remained victorious.... Right?.... Righttt. If bags are opened and no rigging is proven, *************** *********** ****************
 
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